God, is he real or fake? your views..

Is god real or fake? (Not attacking Christianity) There are countless contradictions in the bible.

(Example: ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.)
(excerpt from: www.infidels.org...)

It also claims birth from a virgin, talking snakes and walking dead men.. And after all that story, it sais if I don't confess and praise God that i will suffer for eternity.

How do "You" know that "Your" religion is the only correct one when 1000's others say that their is the only real or right way..

And if the Earth is 7000-6000 years old according to Christians why did God send Jesus only 2010 years ago? Why didn't he save people from the first 4000 years?


On the other hand people say God is real because He has revealed Himself to us in three ways: in creation, in His Word, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.
(excerpt from: www.gotquestions.org...)


so please give me your views and opinions about this subject and why thats the way they are.. Thanks!

reply to post by Jefferson


Why is this in the introduction forum? Well if you are a new member than I say welcome! You seem to have a problem with the christianity theology, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up bible quotes. If you have a question about whether god is real or fake, that can only be discovered from within. When you can discern to yourself that a god exists to begin with, then you can discern between what religion is right and which is wrong. To me this is the correct way of coming to know god. If you go right off the bat attacking one particular religion, you'll just go around in circles with it all.

I am a christian, a former atheist for many years, and I speak from experience.

Did you sign up just to post this thread? I'm an Atheist and of course I don't believe in any God(s), Goddess or any other religious text out there. Because of past experiences from being a part of multiple religious movements.

thanks for your reply, but the reason I used Christianity as a example is because I am not familiar with any other religions.

There's not enough evidence either way.

On the one hand, the majority of people who say yes quote contradictory texts such as the bible, the Qu'ran or other works written by the hand of man in their supporting arguments. They lean on the basis of 'faith' to support their belief in a one God. It's sort of chilling to see fervent belief in one God in our age when the Gods and Goddesses which were just as fervently worshiped during Roman and Greek times suddenly vanished from the scene.

On the other hand, there is also a number of completely unexplainable phenomena such as miracles, near death experiences and the like to support that something is out there which acts as a sort of higher power. But the evidence is so shaky that you could hold religion and God akin to the belief in UFOs and aliens. There's the same lack of hard evidence and widespread disclosure.

I've encountered angels and demons. What do I believe - I don't know. The angels say yay and the demons say yay, so possibly?

I choose to remain agnostic until further hard evidence shows itself which doesn't involve me having to come inches away from death or survive a horrible accident to see the face of God to believe.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Jefferson
thanks for your reply, but the reason I used Christianity as a example is because I am not familiar with any other religions.

I understand but you asked a question about it, and I gave you a reason why you may have problems believing or not believing. Notice I said the answer comes from within. Just like romantic rebel is an atheist, he came to that conclusion himself, so you must come to the conclusion yourself. It is your interpretation of things, not another man's ideas or discoveries which would prove to you otherwise.

Omg am I a christian promoting freethinking?

If God is real, I don't think he's religious. So to use some religious citations that man wrote in under the guise of God doesn't hold weight either way IMO.

Even if all the religions are wrong, and I'm keen to believe they are, that doesn't disprove the existence of God. All it would prove is that religions are wrong.

But who knows?

[edit on 9-7-2010 by GeechQuestInfo]

reply to post by Jefferson


God is real!
2nd...................

reply to post by rangersdad


Looks like it didn't take long for the faithful soldiers to post.
second line!

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I guess these types of threads attract certain people.
Like that other one you and I seem to have been frequenting the last few days.
Right, doll?

reply to post by Matthew Dark


Doll? Why is everyone calling me a woman lately? I get called ma'am on the phone and called a woman on the web. I do agree with the rest of your post.

Thor finds your lack of faith...disturbing.

Obviously, you have a wish to wipe used mead off the tables in Valhalla for eternity, an eternity you will arrive in all too quickly for your disrespect.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


And why shouldnt a faithful soldier post when someone is questioning if the creator of all things is real or not?

reply to post by rangersdad


Because you gave the original poster a one sided answer. With out any detail to your answer to the original posters post.

I don't believe in the bible at all. It makes no sense to me at all. Too contradictory. Too mythical in a weird, creepy way.

I do believe in an intelligent universe, but more in the way of metaphysics, physics. Atoms and all their subatomic particles knowing just how to vibrate in order to create matter, and hold it together. Cohesion, adhesion, attraction, and repulsion.

The math of the universe - Fibonacci, the Mandelbrot set, how everything is set up like the Golden Mean. It's absolutely fascinating.

Maybe the intelligence of the universe comes from a God, a Source, or a Great Universal Soul I like to refer to it as GUS. Just to be different and difficult.

Anyways welcome to ATS

People have been asking this question since the dawn of time and nobody has come up with a conclusive answer.

Believers will quote scripture to support their claims. The problem with this approach is that the scripture quoted only has merit if it comes from a divine source, and the existence of a divine source is in question. In other words, believers are implicitly assuming that which they seek to prove is true as part of their proof.

Non-believers dogmatically claim all scripture is phony and dogmatically claim there is no God or higher power. Any "evidence" of a divine presence is automatically and dogmatically "explained" away as resulting from fraud, delusions, or some other non-divine phenomenon.

Is God real, or is the Christian God real? Given your bible quotes (and I
have seen your reasoning for posting them), I would say your are doing
nothing more than chumming the waters and trolling for Christians.

It is nice to be agnostic. It's like watching a wrestling match from a
ringside seat...~and in this corner...weighing 50 trillion and 1/2 pounds,
hailing from the hereafter, the MASTER OF CREATION...YAAAAAAAAA
WAAAAAAAAY!!

Religion is a form of control, just like government.

There's no proof either way to say there is or isn't a supreme being that started the universe.

My opinion is that if there this a "supreme being" it certainly wouldn't go about making commandments and knocking up virgins.

If you want to believe in a God and his son/prophet, then by all means do it. My belief is that it doesn't take going to church to have faith and it certainly doesn't take money to get into heaven.

Infringing on anothers personal religous beliefs or lack of religion is wrong. We all get to decide for ourself what we want to believe.

reply to post by Jefferson


Hello, I am new. but I wanted to respond to this post before I read all the other responses so it would be me, not influenced or quoting another. I know God is real because I was born and raised to be a sexual slave for my father with consent of my mother. I was totally involved in abuse until I surrendered to Jesus. Now do not think it was an immediate decision cuz it wasn't. I faught with logic and then I had a car accident with my x-husband and daughter (3). My car hit a wall at about50 miles per hour. my door flew open, and we hit a large cement block that launched us in the air 57 feet and we landed on the gas tank. We all survived but the story is incomplete. Upon hitting the wall, I was in front of a thrown, with a man, he was bald and youthful looking but I knew who he was. Nothing like pictures of images but I knew. He asked me if I wanted to go home. I said "what about my kids" I also had a 7 yr old son. This man told me that it would be rough for me, but I said OK. I understood suffering and I was gonna protect my children from that. I walked away with only minor cuts and bruises and 4 concussions. I wasn't ready to accept this as real. I just figured it was my mind dealing with a trauma. So, I stroll through life and make hard decisions to better myself so I could protect my children. It took me a couple of years and a lot of beatings to say ENOUGH. But in that I found the love of the Lord each step of the way. But it wazn't until 9/11. I was in NJ only a stones throw over the water from ground zero. I saw with my own eyes the second tower fall. It was horrible and I will talk about it another time. Back to topic. I saw the moon blood red and it quivered my spirit, my intellect, my core. I started really looking into Christianity, even let my children attend bible study, but I wasn't there yet. So two years later, I get injured at work. Then my children beg me to go to church and be prayed over. What did I have to loose? Well less than a month later, God brought my husband too me. I couldn't deny Gods love that I received through this man. So I am a Jesus Freak...

I'm in league with Endtime Warrior on this one.

Grew up a devout Catholic, went to school for engineering and quickly became agnostic and then atheist, then very recently began to discover God within myself (as Endtime mentioned), through a combination of personal experience and logical reasoning. Well, personal experience mainly for the belief, with logical reasoning for my understanding of just what exactly God is (no, He's not a bearded man who sits on a throne in the sky saying "bad human, very bad human").