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Feed 7 billion on 155 mi. sq.
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Feed 7 billion on 155 mi. sq.
www.youtube.com
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Via Hydroponics and Aquaculture using 10 times less water
a man was able to grow 1 million pounds of food on 3 acres.
This equates to 155 miles squared providing 2 pounds
of food per day for 7 billion ppl.
This is about the size of West Virginia.
en.wikipedia.org...
Artificial Scarcity is the only reason ppl are starving to death.
To me it is pretty obvious that we can feed the world.
Other issues such as energy are equally false.
We can grow oil via Vertical Hydroponics in the desert.
We see massive floods destroy entire cities and yet
the scarcity crowd gets on TV and tells how we are
running out of water and they want a new "water tax"
on all ponds and wells.
farmwars.info...
We are being inundated with a blizzard of lies.
www.youtube.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
[edit on 9-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
[edit on 9-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
of food per day for 7 billion ppl.
This is about the size of West Virginia.
en.wikipedia.org...
Artificial Scarcity is the only reason ppl are starving to death.
To me it is pretty obvious that we can feed the world.
Other issues such as energy are equally false.
We can grow oil via Vertical Hydroponics in the desert.
We see massive floods destroy entire cities and yet
the scarcity crowd gets on TV and tells how we are
running out of water and they want a new "water tax"
on all ponds and wells.
farmwars.info...
We are being inundated with a blizzard of lies.
www.youtube.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
[edit on 9-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
[edit on 9-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
Thank you for this topic. Truer words have not been spoken scarcity is as fictional as the belief in it is dangerous.
What amazes me is that people still go for the overpopulation okie doke. Its just another lie piled on an already huge elitist mountain.
What amazes me is that people still go for the overpopulation okie doke. Its just another lie piled on an already huge elitist mountain.
Two pounds of food...? A small cabbage or two heads of lettuce... to feed each person for a year? Am I missing something?
There are more obese people than starving people in the world. We have enough resources to feed everyone. But it will never happen. Not because of
some evil TPTB, but because
1. it is not profitable to feed the poor
2. all it would lead to is further procreation of those who "need to be fed" and cannot provide for themselves.
Population control of the poor is the only answer if we ever want to end starving and scarcity.
1. it is not profitable to feed the poor
2. all it would lead to is further procreation of those who "need to be fed" and cannot provide for themselves.
Population control of the poor is the only answer if we ever want to end starving and scarcity.
I remember growing up hear in the UK, where they used to talk about Butter, Wine, Apple mountains etc within the EEC as the EU was then known,
Then they started paying farmers not to grow ? the whole South East of england was arrable farm land and contributed more than the UK needed so have they all stopped! because corporate b=greed has set market forces and unfair cartels squeezing the farming into either bankruptsy or leave them with excess (wasted crops) to keep them inline!
If all these eugenists are so concerned as in Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Kissinger, Rothchilds etc, then why don't they start by taking their own lifes because as a minoriy few have such an impact on us now out of sheer greed and lust for dominance and power, they would have a greater impact if they went first because humanity would then become human again and we would all look after each other,
Nobody would go unclothed, nobody would go unfed and nobody would have to rely on these sponging insidious scum sucking every last drop off blood and energy from the populace,
So one way forward, have a go at growing you own veg, fruit etc! it would be fun and once you have the knack of doing correctly and success, you cut down on your supermarket bill, will have a better qaulity of food (no mind bending chemicals and the end result better health, more freedom and if we all tried then the supermarkets owned by the financial institutions backed by these speculator would suffer so bad they would have to lower prices and reduce scarcity,
Come folks, lets stop the tail wagging the dog and peacefully work for our freedom and cut this cancer out of our journey!
"BORN FREE" "TAXED to DEATH" lets be free :-)
Then they started paying farmers not to grow ? the whole South East of england was arrable farm land and contributed more than the UK needed so have they all stopped! because corporate b=greed has set market forces and unfair cartels squeezing the farming into either bankruptsy or leave them with excess (wasted crops) to keep them inline!
If all these eugenists are so concerned as in Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Kissinger, Rothchilds etc, then why don't they start by taking their own lifes because as a minoriy few have such an impact on us now out of sheer greed and lust for dominance and power, they would have a greater impact if they went first because humanity would then become human again and we would all look after each other,
Nobody would go unclothed, nobody would go unfed and nobody would have to rely on these sponging insidious scum sucking every last drop off blood and energy from the populace,
So one way forward, have a go at growing you own veg, fruit etc! it would be fun and once you have the knack of doing correctly and success, you cut down on your supermarket bill, will have a better qaulity of food (no mind bending chemicals and the end result better health, more freedom and if we all tried then the supermarkets owned by the financial institutions backed by these speculator would suffer so bad they would have to lower prices and reduce scarcity,
Come folks, lets stop the tail wagging the dog and peacefully work for our freedom and cut this cancer out of our journey!
"BORN FREE" "TAXED to DEATH" lets be free :-)
We have to starve the poor to death by speculating the price of food through the roof.
This requires artificial shortages
How else can we steal all of the resources they live over?
It's only murder and it makes huge profits
whats the problem?
This requires artificial shortages
How else can we steal all of the resources they live over?
It's only murder and it makes huge profits
whats the problem?
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
Sorry but....great video and all. Wonderful message and demonstration of what is POSSIBLE, on a very local scale.
But...your thread title? "Feed 7 billion on 155 mi. sq."???
A bit over the top, yes?
Notwithstanding, for the moment, the actual SIZE of only "155 mi. sq." (Think, in two-dimensional geometry, what that means, please. It could be described as a rectangular area encompassed by a line 10 miles on one side, by 15.5 miles on another -- just to give one some perpective.
To feed "7 billion" people??
Are ALL of those "7 billion" people standing right there, on the edge of this space, and able to receive this food??
Maybe as a pattern for a very, very large-scale project, all over the planet, then YES, it's a great concept idea...but the title is very misleading.
Sorry but....great video and all. Wonderful message and demonstration of what is POSSIBLE, on a very local scale.
But...your thread title? "Feed 7 billion on 155 mi. sq."???
A bit over the top, yes?
Notwithstanding, for the moment, the actual SIZE of only "155 mi. sq." (Think, in two-dimensional geometry, what that means, please. It could be described as a rectangular area encompassed by a line 10 miles on one side, by 15.5 miles on another -- just to give one some perpective.
To feed "7 billion" people??
Are ALL of those "7 billion" people standing right there, on the edge of this space, and able to receive this food??
Maybe as a pattern for a very, very large-scale project, all over the planet, then YES, it's a great concept idea...but the title is very misleading.
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
You are correct sir,
We could feed the world, logistics are the only real problem.
Most of the food would spoil before it could reach where it needed to be.
If there was a country that truly loved its people it would find a way around this problem.
As for energy there are better ways than growing oil, there is wind power and solar.
As more people realize this and get off of this ride that corporate interests are taking us on, we will be better.
But I fear Lindsey Lohan and Lady Caca are just more important than living a good life or just simply eating.
You are correct sir,
We could feed the world, logistics are the only real problem.
Most of the food would spoil before it could reach where it needed to be.
If there was a country that truly loved its people it would find a way around this problem.
As for energy there are better ways than growing oil, there is wind power and solar.
As more people realize this and get off of this ride that corporate interests are taking us on, we will be better.
But I fear Lindsey Lohan and Lady Caca are just more important than living a good life or just simply eating.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Two pounds of food...? A small cabbage or two heads of lettuce... to feed each person for a year? Am I missing something?
Forget to mention 2 lbs per day.
Completely missed that.
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
You are correct sir,
We could feed the world, logistics are the only real problem.
Most of the food would spoil before it could reach where it needed to be.
If there was a country that truly loved its people it would find a way around this problem.
As for energy there are better ways than growing oil, there is wind power and solar.
As more people realize this and get off of this ride that corporate interests are taking us on, we will be better.
But I fear Lindsey Lohan and Lady Caca are just more important than living a good life or just simply eating.
Well we can make these Hydroponic Aquaculture food producers
where the ppl are.
The ppl that did this did so 360 of 365 days in Wisconsin.
A fairly cold climate.
This method uses 10 times less water too than conventional farming.
Originally posted by Maslo
There are more obese people than starving people in the world. We have enough resources to feed everyone. But it will never happen. Not because of some evil TPTB, but because
1. it is not profitable to feed the poor
2. all it would lead to is further procreation of those who "need to be fed" and cannot provide for themselves.
Population control of the poor is the only answer if we ever want to end starving and scarcity.
Money is an artificial creation of man and you say fiat currency
backed by nothing is to determine who lives and dies.
Educating ppl solves the food issue.
There is no over population problem, its a total fiction of the
Eugenicist crowd.
We have a biosphere management problem.
We pollute the earth, poison the air and water, and live very inefficient.
If you want to be a Ted Turner or Rothschild fan boy go right ahead.
The game is being revealed and at some point your going to get
a Khmer Rouge reaction to the plan.
Good Luck with that.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
Notwithstanding, for the moment, the actual SIZE of only "155 mi. sq." (Think, in two-dimensional geometry, what that means, please. It could be described as a rectangular area encompassed by a line 10 miles on one side, by 15.5 miles on another -- just to give one some perpective.
That is 155 miles squared, or a little over 24,000 square miles.
About the size of West Virginia if you read the post.
As your one of my foes I am not surprised by a knee jerk
reaction thou.
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
So????
Still...EVEN IF you have (and it's not possible) ONE space the size of West Virgina producing all this "food"....think it through logically!!
HOW do 7 billion people gain access to it??
Honestly....it's great idea for future space exploration, or local food sources...but 7 billion?? The entire PLANET??
Get real.
So????
Still...EVEN IF you have (and it's not possible) ONE space the size of West Virgina producing all this "food"....think it through logically!!
HOW do 7 billion people gain access to it??
Honestly....it's great idea for future space exploration, or local food sources...but 7 billion?? The entire PLANET??
Get real.
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
As I said, we have already more than enough food to feed everyone. Hydroponic farms are surely a good thing, but it would not help much to end the starving.
We have a logistics and management problem to actually feed those people, because they cannot afford to pay for food to get to them when and where they need it. This is the core of the issue here.
If we dont need money, then stop talking on the internet and go feed those people, and we will see how long you can do it without money. Money was here since the beginning of civilization, and is the best method how to efficiently divide resources. But feeding hungry people is not efficient. Thats why we need charity to help them.
As I said, we have already more than enough food to feed everyone. Hydroponic farms are surely a good thing, but it would not help much to end the starving.
We have a logistics and management problem to actually feed those people, because they cannot afford to pay for food to get to them when and where they need it. This is the core of the issue here.
If we dont need money, then stop talking on the internet and go feed those people, and we will see how long you can do it without money. Money was here since the beginning of civilization, and is the best method how to efficiently divide resources. But feeding hungry people is not efficient. Thats why we need charity to help them.
Theoretically, there is enough food for everyone.
... and enough water, and enough money, and enough medicine, and enough and enough and enough.
Believe it or not, there is enough gold in Fort Knox for everyone here on ATS!
... and enough water, and enough money, and enough medicine, and enough and enough and enough.
Believe it or not, there is enough gold in Fort Knox for everyone here on ATS!
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
So????
Still...EVEN IF you have (and it's not possible) ONE space the size of West Virgina producing all this "food"....think it through logically!!
HOW do 7 billion people gain access to it??
Honestly....it's great idea for future space exploration, or local food sources...but 7 billion?? The entire PLANET??
Get real.
The idea is not to put it in one place.
Globalization is worthless.
Shipping food thousands of miles is worthless.
Ppl just need to put smaller ones where the ppl are that are starving.
This can even be done on non-arable land.
It shows that there is no reason for ppl to starve and
the Neo-Malthusians are full of it as far as food goes.
[edit on 10-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
If we dont need money, then stop talking on the internet and go feed those people, and we will see how long you can do it without money. Money was here since the beginning of civilization, and is the best method how to efficiently divide resources. But feeding hungry people is not efficient. Thats why we need charity to help them.
The idea isn't for me to go do what they can do themselves.
This is a education problem, and hand outs do not solve anything
but just create more of it.
They just need to learn the system and put it to work.
It uses one pump for the whole 3 acre system, and the pump
can run off solar or wind.
Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to grow
fish and plants via Hydroponics and Aquaculture and feed him
and his whole village for life...
A Hand up, not a hand out like Lincoln said.
That is the point.
Victim mentality will not get me to go feed them.
It is like ghetto crack whores popping out 9 kids for a bigger
"gub-mint" check.
Not my problem.
If you subsidize something you get more of it.
[edit on 10-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
Yeah, I agree that handouts do not solve anything, and education is the key. But no matter how the food is produced, you still need to hand it out to those people that cannot pay for it. They do not care where the food is coming from. So yes, food produced efficiently and locally would be a good thing, but it would NOT solve starvation. To solve this, you need to change not the food industry, but the starving people themselves!
Yeah, I agree that handouts do not solve anything, and education is the key. But no matter how the food is produced, you still need to hand it out to those people that cannot pay for it. They do not care where the food is coming from. So yes, food produced efficiently and locally would be a good thing, but it would NOT solve starvation. To solve this, you need to change not the food industry, but the starving people themselves!
reply to post by weedwhacker
I personally took the size of land needed as a means to show that the amount of land required is a lot less than what conventional farming techniques tell us is required as well as the amount of resources or how much can actually be grown in a certain size of land.
I personally think we should live in mini familial arcologies with their own vertical farming systems that these families take care of as well as their own renewable energy generators to power the homes and farm. This ridiculous idea of building outwards and taking up more land and resources is going to be our demise if we don't act and think differently soon, if it isn't already too late!
I personally took the size of land needed as a means to show that the amount of land required is a lot less than what conventional farming techniques tell us is required as well as the amount of resources or how much can actually be grown in a certain size of land.
I personally think we should live in mini familial arcologies with their own vertical farming systems that these families take care of as well as their own renewable energy generators to power the homes and farm. This ridiculous idea of building outwards and taking up more land and resources is going to be our demise if we don't act and think differently soon, if it isn't already too late!
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