Captured Russian Spies possibly working with British?

I know this is a far-fetched THEORY....but here goes...

Many already know about the capture of the 10 Russian Spies here in the US over the past couple weeks. However, very few know the full details. And now, I give you..... a potential connection between the spies and the British MI6.

Source

The Feds displayed an intercepted message from headquarters in Moscow which the couple received. It read: "You were sent to the USA for long-term service trip. Your education, bank account, car, house … all these serve one goal: fulfill your mission," In one intercepted message, Richard and Cynthia Murphy had to defend buying the house in New Jersey. "We are under the impression that C.(headquarters) views our ownership of the house as a deviation from the original purpose of our mission here," they said in an intercepted message. "We'd like to assure you that we do remember what it is. From our perspective, purchase of the house was solely a natural progression of our prolonged stay here. It was a convenient way to solve the housing issue, plus to 'do as the Romans do' in a society that values home ownership."

Note: The article assumes that "C" is short for center...indicating "headquarters" but what many DON'T know is that the the British MI6 Director is referred to as "C" after Captain Mansfield Cummings who founded the Secret Intelligence Service.

World War I and the interwar era. In 1909, a parliamentary study found evidence of widespread German infiltration, and noted that there was "no organization…for accurately identifying its extent and objectives." As a result, the British government established the Secret Service Bureau. The bureau was divided into a Home Section under Captain Mansfield Cumming, and a Foreign Section directed by Captain Vernon Kell. The two came to be known, respectively, as "C" and "K." After World War I broke out, the Foreign Section became MI1(c), and in 1921 the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), or MI6. Directors of SIS have thenceforth been known by the designation "C" after Cumming, who remained the head of SIS/MI6 until 1923. (The "K" designation, on the other hand, seems to have ended with Kell, first director-general of MI5.)

I'll leave YOU all the job of uncovering what potential ties the two might hold, as I'm not certain why the Russians would work with SIS. It could be possible that their goal was to infiltrate policy-making circles so as to understand where the "corruption" was here in the US since it's pretty commonly known we have a corrupt govt.

[edit on 7/8/10 by ElijahWan]

Anyone know more about Russian Intelligence or the SIS, who might be able to shed a bit of light on why the two could possibly work together?

Im sure one of the female spies had a british husband, cant see what the british would be doing having any known involvement in this, we'd have more to lose than gain surely.

This theory might have some legs but your conncetion with the letter 'C' is very feeble I think.

I would not be surprized though if the British Intelligence community was working / trying to work with the Russians because it would be considered a future investment.

I mean the world is watching China, India, S-America as the new world powers emerging and the USA as the only current superpower, but it is dying. Russia will in future be a major player both geo-politically and from a supplier of Gas, fuel, minerals etc etc etc....

All things happen both for immeadiate results but also for the longer term and I think there maybe a longer term play here ..

Regards
PurpleDOG UK

What a complete load of nonsense , this anti Brit stuff has to stop!
This post and others are obviously an attempt to stir up division between the US and the Uk just because a certain multi national oil company has British in its title . To you and to any other dense people out there I ask what about multinational do you NOT understand?
BP is 39 % American owned !

Originally posted by Wyckan
What a complete load of nonsense , this anti Brit stuff has to stop!
This post and others are obviously an attempt to stir up division between the US and the Uk just because a certain multi national oil company has British in its title . To you and to any other dense people out there I ask what about multinational do you NOT understand?
BP is 39 % American owned !

Um...Dude? No?

You come into a thread that is SPECIFICALLY stated THEORY and you try to claim I have some alternate motive...Are you THAT concerned with the BP oil disaster that you have to assume ANYTHING questioning ANYTHING British related is automatically a threat against BP? WOW...Go troll the Deepwater forums....

/rantover

While I agree with most the posters that the connection is "feeble" at best, it doesn't hurt to keep an eye out for connections like these...

I'm confused as to when ATS no longer was a Conspiracy THEORY forum and became a Conspiracy-FACT forum.... I stated at the beginning of the thread that this a was a THEORY and a flimsy one at that...

For ALL future posters, I'd appreciate a CONSTRUCTIVE attitude to the THEORY instead of simply bashing it because your mind is closed.

PS: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO IT HASN'T BEEN MADE CLEAR FOR...... THIS THREAD IS PROPOSING A THEORY

If you wish to ADD to the theory or discuss the possibilities then please DO SO...but if your just going to make a "troll post" about how stupid you think the THEORY is...then save your time and words and go check out another thread.....

I can comment as an ethnic Russian:

The Russian word "Центр" ("The Center" in English) has roots in the Russian folklore as it relates to intelligence services. It's used in the most popular Russian spy novel of all time, "Seventeen Moments of Spring".

The "Center" does mean intelligence headquarters. Hence, the "C".

It is an interesting theory but that is all it is. The SVR and SIS may collaborate on intelligence matters, its highly likely in fact that they collaborate. However to called the SIS director general C like this points to some very bad tradecraft. Also why would the British assist the Russians in espionage activities in America risking the “special relationship?”. The type of intelligence product they were producing would have no real significance to the British as I understand it.

reply to post by buddhasystem


AH! Wonderful additional info. I was just curious as I had seen the same thing on CNN a few days back. Whereas the letter "C" was used, CNN added (enter) to it, so it's nice to know where that comes from. I've just never seen anyone use a single letter to replace an entire word. It's like if I was going to tell you where I was going to do today and I went... "I'm going to S"... it would be quite hard for you to assume I was stating supermarket. I'm just confused why they would call it "C" instead of calling it "HQ" or something like that. Again this whole thread was just a theory, so no issues since I'm just Theorizing.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
It is an interesting theory but that is all it is. The SVR and SIS may collaborate on intelligence matters, its highly likely in fact that they collaborate. However to called the SIS director general C like this points to some very bad tradecraft. Also why would the British assist the Russians in espionage activities in America risking the “special relationship?”. The type of intelligence product they were producing would have no real significance to the British as I understand it.

I agree that would be very horrible tradecraft for these "spies" but then again...They did get caught didn't they? Can't be the most prestigious spies Russia has employed....

As for the possible reasons they would work together...I can only assume it would be for more "long-term" goals, or as a safe-guard in case power "shifted hands" in the USA...

Like I said from the beginning....was just a far-fetched theory that I thought I'd throw out there.

reply to post by Wyckan


Whoa calm yer jets big fella I know what you're saying about anti-britishness but the OP clearly stated this was an outlandish theory.

Back on subject, I agree that there is nothing to support this theory but I am not dismissing that Britain was in any way involved with either side. The UK is in a pretty precarious position. Member of the EU, reliant on fuels from Russia, close relationship with the US who, as the other poster said, is dying. There are some big fish waiting for the right moment to kick the US down and aim to be in with the big boys. Russia and China are close with each other and share interests in Central Asia. Central Asia, to me, is going to be the world stage in years to come due to the abundant natural resources available there.

Soon I am relocating to Saint Petersburg and am very interested to see what the Russians think politically. Sheeple have this misconception that Russia is poor and derelict. If they can send spies and actively do so, they may have intentions for the future.

Think about this, if there has been a spy ring caught in the US, how many haven't been discovered and where are they all? And how many spies are the UK and US sending out throughout the world?

I don't see where there is a problem, the Americans work with intelligence agencies from most countries in the World, and the Americans spy on those countries, just like British intelligence works with the Americans, its all a huge game played out for our eyes.

I think this is just more of the Anti British rubbish which has been thrown around all over the internet, people just don't know where it started yet to give an opinion, but you know what! who really cares, we the British would be a lot better off if we stepped out on our own for a while, maybe then many would realise just how important this little country is in their lives.

Maybe someone in the US Government has plans to try and invade our fair and pleasant land, that I would love to see tried, we have many lessons to draw off from our past.

As I said it would be interesting to see where this is coming from, I think we would all be surprised.

I think it is a tenuous link at best.

But the UK intel services has been known to have moles of their own in the past...maybe there could be a link there....but in all honesty I doubt it.

But anything is possible in the intelligence world.

I seem to recall the UK and Russia having issues with each other relatively recently, I will see if I can find anything.

reply to post by Wyckan


I thoroughly understand your sentiments about the apparent rabid anti-UK sentiments on ATS.
It seems to have been getting worse fo about the last year or so.

And it seems as if it's ok to do so.

Still, we have broad shoulders, thick skins etc and I really enjoy responding to it all!
And I assure you I do.

However, I think it is fair to say that the OP meant no slur and was just suggesting a POSSIBLE theory and I certainly didn't read any anti-UK bias in his OP or any subsequent posts.

And given what we know about elements of our intel services in the past can we really dismiss it totally out of hand?

Originally posted by ElijahWan
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

AH! Wonderful additional info. I was just curious as I had seen the same thing on CNN a few days back. Whereas the letter "C" was used, CNN added (enter) to it, so it's nice to know where that comes from. I've just never seen anyone use a single letter to replace an entire word. It's like if I was going to tell you where I was going to do today and I went... "I'm going to S"... it would be quite hard for you to assume I was stating supermarket. I'm just confused why they would call it "C" instead of calling it "HQ" or something like that. Again this whole thread was just a theory, so no issues since I'm just Theorizing.

Well, look at this Stratfor Link

I think my version is definitely proven by now. Stratfor is a reputable intelligence source.

Preposterous! Everyone knows that MI6/SIS has only one useful secret agent. He goes by the name Bond... James Bond. He rarely uses an alias for cover and always ends up with the girl. There have been plenty of documentaries made about his life's work for the Queen to back this up.

You would think the Russians or even the British would have figured out not to call their headquarters by its real name or local nickname because that is what incriminates the entire agency and puts government in a spot of bother. If they were American spies they would have made up some Charlie Alpha Bravo code words instead of “C.”
For instance,

“The message is in the bottle. Wait for it to wash ashore so the leak can not dampen our spawn.”

Aka

“The info has been sent. Check if it was followed so it doesn’t incriminate ’C’enter.”


[edit on 8-7-2010 by tooo many pills]

Originally posted by tooo many pills


“The message is in the bottle. Wait for it to wash ashore so the leak can not dampen our spawn.”

Aka

“The info has been sent. Check if it was followed so it doesn’t incriminate ’C’enter.”


[edit on 8-7-2010 by tooo many pills]

Agreed dude, these Russian "spies" have quite horrible tradecraft....Or perhaps they were just that....arrogant about their messages being encrypted/untraceable. Regardless this news story is a VERY interesting one and this OP will be paying CLOSE attention to it.

I thought from the start they were ours. They are MI6 posing as Russian Spies with the collaboration of Russia if they get caught.

Originally posted by azzllin
Maybe someone in the US Government has plans to try and invade our fair and pleasant land, that I would love to see tried, we have many lessons to draw off from our past.

The moment they see all the chav's and bingedrinkers, the US army would turn around and run like hell.

We never have had the question answered as to how the FBI caught on the this spy net.

Did one or more of these Russian spy try to make a little extra money by working for the British.
And only have the British turn them in to the FBI.

It would not be imposable and other spies have double dipped before.
Sometime even triple dipped to make money. and sometime for protection from there home country.