I am Enlightened.....i think

Originally posted by depth om

Originally posted by AProphet1233
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Ah, lovely, an inquiring soul. The purpose of man you say? Of...MAN? Such an elegant and eternal question, what beauty!

Although I must ask, do you mean in the individual sense or the collective?
In the former is intrinsic inevitability. The latter is non other than jocular judiciousness.


Uh humm, my book will soon be available on amazon.

Clarify, of course,

Hu-Man as mechanism. What is the meaning of his toil? All things exist out of necessity, to accomplish, to be a means to an end, what is man's intrinsic directive? I understand, to sustain and procreate, but why.

That all of 20th century man's endeavors can be summed up by the statement "He fornicated and read the papers" is an outdated existential perception.

Why has he done this? - As if the papers aren't full of garbage propogated by the mass media and meaningless fornication doesn't stifle the soul?

Probably because a heinous illusion was inflicted upon him by evil forces that we just now have the knowledge to successfully combat.

That's why me and you are here isn't it? To cambat evil forces or Deny Ignorance, as it were.

And if post-2012 civilized humanity still can find no other way to define it's existence other than through suffering and madness we can still keep hope alive and wait for the next pole shift or havesting period, right?

Ultimately, whats the point?

It was Nietzsche who said "by means of an illusion spread over things, Nature's Will detains her creatures in life and compels them to live on."

So perhaps we're cornered into having faith in a Will higher than our own. That takes us out of the Ego realm into the Divine current doesn't it? The awareness or conciousness of it? We can all be heroes!

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Once a certain point is reached, the conception of good and bad, nolonger exist or have any meaning for that matter.
When The Christ was to of stated, the need to be single of mind.
The point reached, where the Tree of Good and Evil, is only The Tree of Good, this is at the Godhead, no Duality.

Enlightenment is insanity. It's pretty much nihilism, as the ultimate goal is absolute indifference to the world, and the belief in nothing.

I'd rather skip out of the enlightenment nonsense, and get to what's going on in this world. Saying that anything outside of your mind is just a belief is quite the disservice to your fellow inhabitants on this planet.

Too much work to be done for that kind of mindset.

I'm just being honest.

Peace.

Originally posted by AProphet1233

Originally posted by depth om

Originally posted by AProphet1233
reply to post by depth om

 

Ah, lovely, an inquiring soul. The purpose of man you say? Of...MAN? Such an elegant and eternal question, what beauty!

Although I must ask, do you mean in the individual sense or the collective?
In the former is intrinsic inevitability. The latter is non other than jocular judiciousness.


Uh humm, my book will soon be available on amazon.

Clarify, of course,

Hu-Man as mechanism. What is the meaning of his toil? All things exist out of necessity, to accomplish, to be a means to an end, what is man's intrinsic directive? I understand, to sustain and procreate, but why.

That all of 20th century man's endeavors can be summed up by the statement "He fornicated and read the papers" is an outdated existential perception.

Why has he done this? - As if the papers aren't full of garbage propogated by the mass media and meaningless fornication doesn't stifle the soul?

Probably because a heinous illusion was inflicted upon him by evil forces that we just now have the knowledge to successfully combat.

That's why me and you are here isn't it? To cambat evil forces or Deny Ignorance, as it were.

And if post-2012 civilized humanity still can find no other way to define it's existence other than through suffering and madness we can still keep hope alive and wait for the next pole shift or havesting period, right?

Ultimately, whats the point?

It was Nietzsche who said "by means of an illusion spread over things, Nature's Will detains her creatures in life and compels them to live on."

So perhaps we're cornered into having faith in a Will higher than our own. That takes us out of the Ego realm into the Divine current doesn't it? The awareness or conciousness of it? We can all be heroes!

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So your answer for the purpose of man is, void? Or is it heroics..? You say we are to deny ignorance and fight evil, these still fail to explain succinctly why the vessel, man was created and filled.. Are we simply dust mites on an animal earth?

Also, how can we combat the illusion? Mind control is too great. If anything, the illusion will decide our moves for us.

philosophies fall to absolutes, they make up the tale, convince the workers and murder and pillage to sustain the world death culture.. man is meaningless, just a mammal to yoke and prod.

We are simply individual cells in a body positioned and provoked into actions we think we choose to do. The illusion of choice.




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Originally posted by unityemissions
Enlightenment is insanity. It's pretty much nihilism, as the ultimate goal is absolute indifference to the world, and the belief in nothing.

I'd rather skip out of the enlightenment nonsense, and get to what's going on in this world. Saying that anything outside of your mind is just a belief is quite the disservice to your fellow inhabitants on this planet.

Too much work to be done for that kind of mindset.

I'm just being honest.

Peace.

Once a person becomes Enlightened, it's not about nothing, it's about being Enlightened, it's not the end of the world, it's a brand new beautiful day, it's not go take your pills, it's not lets go blow up Iran.

The level of most Human intellect, will be that of a dog humping your leg, and getting on to what's been going on in the world, would be diservice to same (Earth).

This work you speak of, is this good work, or just looking bizzy.

reply to post by depth om
Man is just maybe one of, the many practical by-products of the filling of the void.
Once the Humans are gone, the real plan of the Intellengent Machine Age begins.
Someone has to clean up the mess, and turn off the lights.

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A technological transmutation of the universe? Man expanding, as a fungus would, through his redistribution of matter, after it is consumed and processed?

The earth as womb? And we are merely the initiatory slime molds, akin to the caterpillar and it's transmutation the butterfly?

I can see man eventually consuming and becoming the universe itself, like minerals petrify wood.. the wood is gone, but it's form remains.

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reply to post by depth om


I'm sorry to say I didn't give any answers in my last post. I feigned an abysmal attitude to veil a subtle sort of humor that I suppose didn't 'come off'.

The difference between the illusion I alluded to and the one's you touched upon are mine refer to machinations of nature, realms created to shelter and promote human activity, whereas yours refer to some bullies with an agenda who are out to get us as if that was their sole purpose for living.

Human evil has it's limits. Can a system of control make the sun rise? No. Can it give you purpose? No. Can it create a soul from nothing? No. Why? Because the game of power isn't the highest game to be played. It certainly doesn't define who you are or what it means to be a man.

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I think they see us as units of force and work to be exploited, to alter space-time to their liking, their liking possibly not merely juvenile greed, but pure dire compassion. Enemies and heroes are made by the machine to sustain it.

I don't mind saying "they" anymore even though I understand how that's perceived. The evidence is all to real though that there is a we and a they. In reality there aren't these things but "they" impose the modality prison that encloses billions of us.

Perhaps it is for the best, all this mess. Necessity yields to no emotion and has no ulterior motive.


I mean to say all separation was mandated by the overlords, all religion, nation, war, is merely chemical component to mold the substance of man into the proper form. For a river to reach the ocean it must carve through stone and mud. War.

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reply to post by googolplex


I agree, although my only ambition is to occupy a branch of this tree and not the roots. And being a single part of a network consisting of thousands of branches supported by a main 'trunk' I can be wholly sure that there exists a source form which we all eminate without desiring to inhabit that space.

That is to say I can partake in evil and good on my little steppe as my will dictates without being much concerned.

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Just live your life man. 'They' aren't doing anything to you. And if they are I will be willing to knock their teeth for you.

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haha so that's the answer! man I thought you had all the answers not just telling me to essentially find out the answers myself, is that the enlightened answer, to tell the grasshopper to walk his path, grasshopper already knows that. Sometimes you can't live how you want to.

They do a lot, they create this paperwork, these symbols that inundate my life. They take my crystallized energy, my money and purchase death. They poison me and my loved ones, they attempt to destroy us and rebuild us.

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Originally posted by googolplex
reply to post by depth om

 

Man is just maybe one of, the many practical by-products of the filling of the void.
Once the Humans are gone, the real plan of the Intellengent Machine Age begins.
Someone has to clean up the mess, and turn off the lights.

Or are you implying machine as evolutionary inevitability? Man dying for the next iteration of sentience?

Originally posted by orrite??
Orrite??

About maybe a month ago, i was listening to this spiritual teacher on CD and at one point he said "...its actually impossible to know anything with absolute certainty, you can only know something with either a greater or lesser amount of certainty.." (paraphrased)

So i was wondering has anyone else experienced anythings similar to this or knows what exactly this is? Is this enlightenment or maybe something else? If you could shed any light on this that would be great. I have been looking on the internet but have found very little.

thanks.

P.S sorry its a bit lengthy

Well it's great, you have begian to see there is more or less than what appear.
I write things here at ATS, and say this is great which it is, but some of the people are so hard headed and negative.
I think, feel, believe in trying to be supportive of others, but sometimes like sometimes if someone is going to do something that is going to cause harm to themself or others it is time to speak.
I support all Religions it doesn't matter what you call Creator, there is only One, and it seems the Atheist like to condem the believers, vise-versa, but by the fact of a person being here how is it possible to denie yourself.
I guess some like to be independent, but it seems that at point of relizing self, is time to get down on knees and start speaking in tounges or something.
In my thought's it does not seem right to say some one else's beliefs are wrong, bad, nogood, I'm not perfect, but do not believe in knocking people down, but to lift them up, if it makes them feel good and does not harm anyone else it must be good.
There seems, that many are lost in this place, it's good you are found.
On laughing, a smile and a prayer may have been better, laughing can be a bit distracting, laughing at someone else you may miss the one laughing at you.
As to game, this game can become very serious, such as being nailed to a cross, I'm sure The Christ was aware of this, when said take this cup from me. I think that is what was said.
I'm not saying anything to take away from your great thread, I would wish more here at ATS would bring a little light in as you have.
The mind can sometimes be like a bucking bronco horse, on my path these little ego's have jumped out in myface, and had to be tamed for the moment, only then to my suprise pop back up when thought under control.

Like you said it will all come out in the wash, but watch the spin cycle, and might need extra rince.

Originally posted by unityemissions
Enlightenment is insanity. It's pretty much nihilism, as the ultimate goal is absolute indifference to the world, and the belief in nothing.

I'd rather skip out of the enlightenment nonsense, and get to what's going on in this world. Saying that anything outside of your mind is just a belief is quite the disservice to your fellow inhabitants on this planet.

Too much work to be done for that kind of mindset.

I'm just being honest.

Peace.

The enlightened being is not a nihilist. He is full of love.

The problem is almost no one gets Enlightened.

Even people who spend decades in the company of an enlightened being dont get it. It is not something that can be achieved through effort.
It appears to be some weird kind of brain function that is bio-chemical and
almost genetic. It just seems to happen to a few rare individuals. The rest of us may have spiritual experiences, especially if you can receive the spiritual energy of a guru, but most never get there.

Therefore one can conclude that it is meaningless as an evolutionary event.
Do you understand?

quite often during enlightenment,one faces obstacle...there will come a time when you will feel that a belief system is necessary for life..what i mean is that a little tennis match will go on in your mind and maybe you would be the final winner.
best of luck.

Originally posted by Silenceisall
It sounds like you were listening to Spontaneous Awakening by Adyashanti (Steven Gray)...

hahaha! bingo! how you managed to guess that correctly based on that one quote I'll never know!



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Originally posted by zundier

I like to think of it more like a "challenge", not a "game". It is this challenge that feeds our soul. To learn and evolve

Do you not find games challenging? This game called "life" is challenging but fun too! You just don't realise how fun this game is until you've experienced enlightenment.

I would say its more about remembering than learning, If we are all one consciousness (and we are lol) then that means that we have all the knowledge and wisdom that ever has been, is, or will be is right there inside of us, so its more a matter of remembering what you forgot when you incarnated. Enlightenment happens when you remember your true nature.

Sorry for the bad english.

Is English your 2nd language? i wouldn't of known had you not apologised XD, it was very good!



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