Sunlight does NOT cause skin cancer!

Originally posted by nik1halo
Well, regardless, I'm going to continue to use sunscreen, because SUNBURN HURTS and as a whiter than white, English guy, I tend to fry like bacon! Also because I have nearly £1000 worth of tattoos I want to protect from sun bleaching. Nothing uglier than a faded, blurry, blue tattoo!

You're right about the tattoos. I have one, and it's the only thing I cover. Light blues and reds will turn into dark purple and blackish red . My husband has no color in his, but they are only on his arms. And they are faded now. My son has his upper body done, but his skin is dark, and so are the tattoos. I know he never wears sunscreen, he just stays out of the sun, or he turns really really dark ( native skin). I hope his tats stay nice looking

Originally posted by ReeVeeR
Think sunlight alone can cause skin cancer? So did I! But according to the guy in this video, it doesn't. In fact, it actually protects against skin cancer! Watch and see for yorself. Very interesting stuff.

Watch this video

Well, if "this guy" says so, then it must be true!

"Mike Adams, the Health Ranger," huh? Not "Mike Adams, Oncologist?"

I don't even see an "M.D."

So I'm going with "another self-appointed expert dispensing wishful thinking."

reply to post by snowspirit


Yeah, all mine are black/greyscale pictures of animals etc, but are not on show (nothing below the elbow or above the collar) due to working in a professional atmosphere, so it's easy to cover them, but the black goes blue if you don't take care of them and the sharp lines blur. If your son keeps out of the sun, or uses at least spf 20 when he is in the sun, they should stay sharp for most of his life. Tell him to use a decent moisturiser on them too, or baby oil after showering/bathing. It locks in the ink and stops it from spreading.

I've had my oldest one for about 11 years now and it's as sharp as the day I had it.

BTW, whilst we're on the subject, black tattoos actually increase the chances of getting skin cancer, as the black ink absorbs more UV light than the surrounding skin., which is even more reason to use a high factor sunblock.

Edit: It must be nice to have darker skin, I could do with some ethnic genes. Unfortunately, I'm 10th generation English, with Irish ancestry

[edit on 9-7-2010 by nik1halo]

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by snowspirit

 

Yeah, all mine are black/greyscale pictures of animals etc, but are not on show (nothing below the elbow or above the collar) due to working in a professional atmosphere, so it's easy to cover them, but the black goes blue if you don't take care of them and the sharp lines blur. If your son keeps out of the sun, or uses at least spf 20 when he is in the sun, they should stay sharp for most of his life. Tell him to use a dacent moisturiser on them too, or baby oil after showering/bathing. It locks in the ink and stops it from spreading.

I've had my oldest one for about 11 years now and it's as sharp as the day I had it.

BTW, whilst we're on the subject, black tattoos actually increase the chances of getting skin cancer, as the black ink absorbs more UV light than the surrounding skin., which is even more reason to use a high factor sunblock.

Thanx, I'll have to let my son know, he travels about 300 kilometers to his artist, so the guy has probably told him stuff. I am going to pass on the info though, just in case. There was one day he sat for 10 hours getting work done. He decided then that his artist is a sadist. He is into the mixed martial arts, and bodybuilding, so I know his diet is very very good. Proud mom here.

Pure Aloe vera and neem oil makes a really good sunscreen and bug protection for those that don't burn easy. Or good after sun. And is really good for your skin. But you end up smelling like an onion ring.

reply to post by ReeVeeR


Of course our Sun does not cause cancer. It's absurd to think that the most important, fundamental and key source of life on Earth, is dangerous. I never ever believed it.
Indigenous people and wild animals hardly ever get disease let alone, get cancer unlike us and our domestics pets/animals.

If anything sun-block lotions cause the skin cancers (along with processed foods, pharmaceuticals and chemtrails).


I further believe deodorants (clogging up the pores preventing toxins to escape) cause breast cancer and birth control (pills, devices and condoms) cause ovarian (and possibly prostrate) cancer.

Either we're victims of modern-day society or victims of the PTB's sinister plan!!

Wait? Why would the sun, which has been with us for how many millenia as opposed to cancer, which has been popping up for a few decades, caues cancer?

Originally posted by The Killah29
Wait? Why would the sun, which has been with us for how many millenia as opposed to cancer, which has been popping up for a few decades, caues cancer?

Fact check:

The sun is Billions of years old, not millennia, it is older than the Earth by a few billion years.

Cancer has always been around. There have been Egyptian mummies found to have died of cancer, or at least to have had tumours bad enough to have caused their death.

Also, cancer is an illness that affects the elderly far more than the young. People are living longer, therefore, more cancer.

The tribal people of the World aren't stupid enough to lie in the bloody sun for hours, like us westerners do, just to get a nice tan. They try to stay out of the mid day sun if possible.

The sun is the biggest thermonuclear reaction in the Solar system, spewing out vast quantities of radiation at a phenomenal rate, enough to heat up our little planet from millions of miles away. It IS dangerous.

The sun may not cause cancer. Too much sun will kill ya!

As a part of weight training in my local gym I have always incorportated a tanning session a week as a part of my training to generate production of Vitamin D.

Good topic.

Originally posted by nik1halo

Originally posted by The Killah29
Wait? Why would the sun, which has been with us for how many millenia as opposed to cancer, which has been popping up for a few decades, caues cancer?

Fact check:

The sun is Billions of years old, not millennia, it is older than the Earth by a few billion years.

Cancer has always been around. There have been Egyptian mummies found to have died of cancer, or at least to have had tumours bad enough to have caused their death.

Also, cancer is an illness that affects the elderly far more than the young. People are living longer, therefore, more cancer.

The tribal people of the World aren't stupid enough to lie in the bloody sun for hours, like us westerners do, just to get a nice tan. They try to stay out of the mid day sun if possible.

The sun is the biggest thermonuclear reaction in the Solar system, spewing out vast quantities of radiation at a phenomenal rate, enough to heat up our little planet from millions of miles away. It IS dangerous.

The sun may not cause cancer. Too much sun will kill ya!

Wow, that is just plain ignorance. Our Sun is dangerous? Really! Hmmmm, is that a fact? Now facts don't change position right? A fact's a fact, correct?

Well perhaps it's just as factual as Earth being flat. JFK dying from a single gun shot. Global warming. Earth is the middle of the universe. Adam and Eve were the first beings. Man evolved from ape. Egyptians built the pyramids. Christopher Columbus discovered America. We're the only intelligent life form and Pluto's a planet.

You see, we know nothing!! We guess. We theorize. We postulate and then we spin and control these so-called facts.

Why must we listen to others?
And when we do, why don't we question who they are? Who makes "them" in charge of what's what? Who makes theories into facts? Who dictates to the institutions what needs to be taught?
This is what happens when we stop being free-thinking individuals and turn into a flock of mindless Sheeple.

I don't claim to know everything but I do know, we must learn not to become so arrogant, trusting and complacent based on the facts we've learned (and changed) from in the past!

[edit on 9-7-2010 by One Moment]

reply to post by One Moment


Yea.. We're guessing that UV damages our DNA. We are guessing that sunburn is caused by the Sun. Just guessing, no facts.

reply to post by DGFenrir


I would say theorizing. It is difficult to be 100% certain about many things in this world. In an issue like this there are so many variables (such as a persons diet and amount or lack of ozone) that the "knowledge" on the subject is continuously updated as more research is performed.

Obviously sunburn is caused by the sun but there are other variables that affect it. With a proper diet a person can enjoy the sun for a lot longer without the need to apply chemicals to their skin and can obtain the full health benefits that sunlight provides. The entire international cancer industry has proven time and time again that profits are more important to them than people. I would not take any advice from an organization that is part of the industry because they have a bias towards profits over my individual well being. This is why the need to think for yourself and gather information from sources you trust is important. If you come to the same conclusion as the cancer industry experts then you can probably trust them on many more issues. I however, have been left with a strong distrust for any advice that comes from the industry, even the charitable cancer foundations (who are NOT using your donations to look for a cure).

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reply to post by ReeVeeR


Sunlight can cause cancer, so your title is wrong.

It works like this:

The more time you spend in the sun, the less likely you are to get cancer. Think people who do roofing jobs and others who work outside all day. I can't remember the exact reason, but the body adjusts or something.

For people who spend little time in the sun, then go out on a vacation and don't wear sunscreen, there is an increased risk. It's as if the body is "shocked" by the exposure it receives to the sun, being burned.

The skin is the largest organ in the body. When it's injured (burned), it weakens your immune system. I guess if you work outside in the sun all the time, your skin adjusts somehow, and you aren't increasingly likely to get cancer just because you spend more and more time in the sun.

But really, don't kid yourselves and think the sun does cannot cause cancer. And, don't assume it's the evil sunblock that gives you cancer. (Have you done a study on people who wore sunblock but never went in the sun to prove your suspicion? If not, your opinion doesn't matter.)

Originally posted by zroth
Skin cancer is caused by the petroleum products that we apply because some company told us to. This is why Australia has the highest skin cancer rate in the world. It is also the place where Coppertone setup shop with heavy marketing investments.

You can trace most cancer back to the mutated products we put on our skin and ingest. Natural is always better but we are conditioned to consume corporate crap products as if they we better than natural solutions. Technocratic society is ruining the simple life that we should be living.

Think about how much time and effort goes into to telling us not to eat fruits and veggies and to stay out of the sun. It is sad.

When you heat skin or a sponge and then apply some lotion and the skin or the sponge cools or experiences a heating/cooling then the lotion will be sucked in to the skin or the sponge.

pressure differentials have great force.

try it on any porous surface or absorbant surface.

Originally posted by hawaiinguy12
reply to post by Faiol

 

Full investigation? Are you suggesting for all of use to sit out in the sun for 12 hours a day without sunscreen and see if we develop cancer and then come back on here and report on it? Get real

African tribes have done it for you already for centuries.

African tribes live out in the open all day.They don't have houses.


How come they are not all dead from skin cancer.

reply to post by One Moment


I tell you what mate, find yourself a nice hot region (if you don't already live in one), spend all day in the sun without sunscreen, no shelter etc and then come back to me and tell me the sun isn't dangerous. People die from overexposure to the sun, people get serious burns, enough to need skin grafts.

Yes, these are facts.

Originally posted by nobodysavedme

Originally posted by hawaiinguy12
reply to post by Faiol

 

Full investigation? Are you suggesting for all of use to sit out in the sun for 12 hours a day without sunscreen and see if we develop cancer and then come back on here and report on it? Get real

African tribes have done it for you already for centuries.

African tribes live out in the open all day.They don't have houses.


How come they are not all dead from skin cancer.

Because African tribes are generally black. Black skin protects against the sun better than white skin. Also, as previously stated, the more time over a very prolonged period of time you spend in the sun, the better your skin protects itself, by creating melanin, which is what causes a tan (hence darker skin). This is why tribal elders usually have very leathery skin.

Also, African tribes to have shelters/huts, which they very often use to escape the sun.

It is "virgin" white skin that mostly is susceptible to damage from the sun. This is also why skin cancer rates are much higher in white people than black people.

Originally posted by nik1halo

Originally posted by nobodysavedme

Originally posted by hawaiinguy12
reply to post by Faiol

 

Full investigation? Are you suggesting for all of use to sit out in the sun for 12 hours a day without sunscreen and see if we develop cancer and then come back on here and report on it? Get real

African tribes have done it for you already for centuries.

African tribes live out in the open all day.They don't have houses.


How come they are not all dead from skin cancer.

Because African tribes are generally black. Black skin protects against the sun better than white skin. Also, as previously stated, the more time over a very prolonged period of time you spend in the sun, the better your skin protects itself, by creating melanin, which is what causes a tan (hence darker skin). This is why tribal elders usually have very leathery skin.

Also, African tribes to have shelters/huts, which they very often use to escape the sun.

It is "virgin" white skin that mostly is susceptible to damage from the sun. This is also why skin cancer rates are much higher in white people than black people.

African tribes don't have huts/houses as they are nomadic.
I have never seen an African with a hut on his back.

Black skin does not protect better against radiation.White skin reflects incident radiation like a mirror.Black skin absorbs radiation like a sponge.

don't believe me?

Go out on a sunny day touch a white car then touch a black car.The black car will be much hotter.

In physics something called black body radiation proves this.

But why don't you cover yourself in thick white cloth

What is the need to expose your delicate skin.What are trying to prove by showing your naked skin?

Do we have to live on the sexual verge of a orgasm by constant nudity?

Maybe you need defy this constant sexual media brainwashing?



[edit on 16-7-2010 by nobodysavedme]

In defense of the sun: An estimate of changes in mortality rates in the United States if mean serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels were raised to 45 ng/mL by solar ultraviolet-B irradiance

PDF: www.landesbioscience.com...

The analysis presented here finds that the health benefits of
increasing mean population serum 25(OH)D levels in the US to
45 nm/mL solely through natural or artificial ultraviolet irradiance
that contains 3%–5% of the UV in the UVB spectral region
(290–315 nm) could reduce the rate of premature deaths by about
400,000/year while increasing the death rate from melanoma
and
skin cancer by at most 12,000/year. The beneficial role of UVB
irradiance for mortality rates outweighs the risks in terms of melanoma
and NMSC mortality rates at all ages considered. Although
more research is required to evaluate the findings in this study, the
message that UVR should be avoided is counterproductive.
The public health policies regarding solar UV irradiance and
vitamin D have swung back and forth like a pendulum. In the
1920s and 1930s, public health policies supported both measures
as a means to reduce the burden of disease,94 but starting in the
1970s and 1980s, concerns regarding the risk of skin cancer turned
public health policies against UVB irradiance.95 The rapidly
expanding scientific evidence of health benefits of vitamin D are
pushing the pendulum back towards favoring solar UVB irradiance.

It's quite clear that sunlight exposure, through its effects on Vitamin D levels, is an effective cancer prevention tool, as long as burning is avoided.

-Dev

Do wild animals get cancer?

Wouldn't every wild animal wandering the desert/tropics/outside get cancer if it was caused by the sun's radiation?

Or does fur and feathers protect them? But what about lizards? And lions? And seals? Etc..