UFO’s, Maybe They Haven’t Visited Us As Much As We Think.

ATS is full of UFO’s claims of one type or another ranging from “I was abducted” to “last night there was a UFO over my house” in addition to this we have the millions of claims published on the internet and now YouTube is a Mecca for ufo hunters. I should say that I do believe in UFO’s and ET, however I think the conspiracy community likes to exaggerate the number of UFO visits. This also fits in with my view that conspiracy theorists constantly need to have some type of conspiracy on the go, UFO’s are perfect for the down time between oil spills and false flag opps. I think that in reality we have been visited by ET only a hand full of times throughout human history, mainly the times were the source is reliable (not a YouTube video). However I do not believe we have been “contacted” as in seen or attempted to converse with alien life at any point in modern human history.

Why? Well it seems to me that if we were to be genuinely visited it would be big news. With 24/7 media coverage and the use of the internet everyone would know about it and it would be the top news story on ever station and the headline of every news paper. This means that all those “sightings” on YouTube are fakes or can be explained as another phenomenon. I don’t think anyone has ever been abducted, I don’t believe in crop circles and I most certainly do not believe that we are being secretly ruled by reptilians.

Some of you by now will be itching to finish reading so you can call me ignorant and accuse me of being a disinformation agent. But think about this. As I have already said we live in a world where the media is constant and current. Say for example a genuine UFO landed on the lawn of the White House and ET came out and shook hands with Obama. That would be the biggest news story in history. The same can be said about any genuine UFO sighting, over any populated area, with a video that has can stand up to scrutiny and independently verified, it would be BIG news and near impossible to cover up. Here is another thought why is that there is only ever one video of the UFO, I saw one recently for example showing a UFO over Moscow, but if there really was a UFO over Moscow then there would have been thousands of videos of it on the internet. This would have forced the words media to pay attention and in the end we would all be on ATS saying “finally we have made contact.” This critique of UFO sighting could be used universal for all UFO sightings and possible debunks almost all of them. Anyone agree?

I completely agree with you. I have seen too many videos labled UFO OVER _______ only to see a random unidentifiable light in the sky that could easily be a plane. I do believe that we have been visited, but it is probably .1% of what is claimed.

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I absolutely agree with you. Look at what happened on 9/11, there were people taking video and photos from every direction. There should be more information on each siting than is found. But then again, how far would that UFO make it if he did try to shake hands with Obama? Wouldn't we try to shoot him down before he entered the Washington area airspace?

My doubts only stem from this- It is possible there is a FAR fewer likelihood of life evolving to a state as advanced or more advanced than us. The Drake Equation is too often stated as "fact"....

Intelligent life could be so far spread out that the distances are just too great to travel. Or there are only a few lifeforms that have figured out deep space travel, so it takes them perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions of Earth years to make it by our neighborhood.

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Yes the Drake equation is only an estimate and could be magnitudes off either way.

If Relativity is true, the distances in the universe are not too great to travel within a human lifetime at least, even at sub-light speed. At 95%C we would need a very advanced craft and there would be no returning home.

People often confuse time elapsed at the departure point with time elapsed for the traveller which are different at relativistic speeds.

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It could be possible that we have a constant presence but since they know what technology we have they have deployed countermeasures against our cameras and radar.

500 years ago they could have flown over the biggest city and perhaps their craft would have been described as a dragon, demon or whatnot. The cities inhabitants wouldn't have even thought of an off-world presence. Things are different now however.

If I was visiting a planet that had rudimentary tech such as ours and I did not want to announce my presence I'm sure I would turn on the anti-radar and optical cloaking devices too.


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We live in a world where the media is constant, and current.....and completely manipulated by the PTB.

Honestly you think that a UFO sighting or crash or abduction would be on the front page of every newspaper? From the same media that totally ignores/manipulates the facts on other less sensitive issues on a day to day basis?

The same media who never broadcasted the 2001 Disclosure Project press club conference on any public channel? You know...the one with 400 Govt witnesses who wanted the truth about UFOs and ETs to be made public?

The same media that sold us the hot pile of garbage about 9/11 and the reasoning behind invading another nation?

That media thats creating an information blackout about the status of the oil spill?

The same govt who is part of the military industrial complex that benefits the United States Corporation of america?

You have waaaay too much trust in out govt and media. Believe me they will report only what suits their interests, not ours.

Having seen a UFO personally, I can definitely say that yes there is unexplained phenomena in our skies.

Ive never been abducted...but I definitely believe there are people whose entire family's are being abducted on a regular basis, and they may find your post insulting; (these abduction reports number in the millions, simply too many to be ignored)

That said, as always I respect others opinions, I respectfully disagree in regards to your belief that we have such an open, honest govt and media that would report everything that happens in the world, even if it paints them in a bad light. Simply not true IMO.

Kind Regards

GeminiSky

I can't find the exact numbers, but I saw once how many reports there had been in the world since the 60's, and it gave something like 1 official report ever 4 minutes, worldwide...

I'm not saying all reports are true or that they concern ETs ( might be undisclosed human technology ) but it can'T all be swamp gas, either.

Have we been visited often? I don't know, but more than a few of these reports must be true, whether we like it or not...

And we didn't count the reports that were NOT reported concerning a sighting. And what if there are less sightings reported than the ones not being reported?

About the media, I'll tell you of a story I personnaly witnessed; about 15 years ago, an electrician died at the shop where I worked while installing mercury lamps. I helped give care to the poor man while we waited for the ambulance. The next morning, in the newspaper, it was reported that an electrician had died, at the shop where I worked, while changing neons in front of the shop, outside. If, for whatever reason, a big enough corporation can have this changed in the papers, what about the gov capacities in that domain?

There are enough scandals that can be fabricated to sell newspapers at a ratio that will make disclosure not sell much more.

I have to go, but I'll come back later to drop another word.

And I did it without insulting you, but I saw no reason to, as you are entitled to your opinion and be respected for it, whatever it might be!

Salut!

I completely agree with you. I got into all of the ATS with the best intentions of attempting to learn as much as I could to prove to myself MY lifelong question: Are we alone?

I was just about to say the hell with it all-Never, Nada, DIDN'T HAPPEN, until this weekend.

Watching the history channels between breaks, I caught one of those Ancient Mysteries episodes-talking about South & Central Americas and it's pass inhabitiants etc (mainly: Puma Punku):
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Im convinced Humans didn't/couldn't do it. But, I don't think we have been inhabited by any aliens for 5,000 plus years. And maybe visited but I think that term is too loosely used.

We say visited. They may say: We ran into more of those dam humans when we took a break on Earth. It is hard enough trying to aviod them and not leave any traces but now-a-days..... whew.... The Gov't really has to do something about them before someone gets hurt. I know they are distant relatives but still, come on!!!

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Those pictures are pretty interesting. Thanks!

kevinunknown

I tend to agree with you, mostly. I don't really believe that should they contact us it would immediately be in the media, no. I think there is a possibility that the Governments are indeed hiding something and that they are using misinformation agents or plain mentally ill people with "Cosmo-clearance" (like Robert Dean maybe) to cover it up. For all we know ATS could be actually manipulated by people who want to keep us in the dark.

The situation here really reminds me of 9/11. I remember being very determined to find out the truth but having read through dozens of web sites and hundreds of crazy theories I just gave up.

It means that THEY succeeded.

Maybe a lot of the UFO's people report "are belong to U.S." Military.
Reportedly Lockheed has entire fleets of reverse engineered UFO's.

All the Stagecraft needed for a false flag alien invasion, as Dr. Greer reported.

I find it hard to subscribe to the idea of information being withheld by governments and the media. In fact , I do not think that there is any conspiracy at all with regards to UFOs.

I do not think that there is reverse engineering either. Nor do I believe that there are grey aliens wandering about talking to government agents.

As regards man-made technology, we have moved very slowly since the days of the nazi V1 & V2 bombs of the 1940s. All that has been done is to make them go vertical and take us out into earth orbit. Then there is the car engine developped by Benz which also has not changed much.

As for aliens visiting us, my own theory is that it is more a case of co-existence rather than visits. It also appears that they have done the best they can to stay out of sight and will carry on doing so.

Surprisingly, there is very little evidence of alien sightings in past history. I am thinking 1000 BC to 1800 AD. You would have thought that ,for example, at least a handful of artists from the middle ages would have represented unidentified crafts in their paintings. But no , I have not come across any. What we do come across more often in paintings of the middle ages are demons /succubus etc which incidently look a bit similar to 'grey aliens' but no flying saucers.







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Originally posted by kevinunknown
Why? Well it seems to me that if we were to be genuinely visited it would be big news. With 24/7 media coverage and the use of the internet everyone would know about it and it would be the top news story on ever station and the headline of every news paper.

That entirely depends on the people who control the media, and what their agenda is.

Originally posted by anon72
I was just about to say the hell with it all-Never, Nada, DIDN'T HAPPEN, until this weekend.

Watching the history channels between breaks, I caught one of those Ancient Mysteries episodes-talking about South & Central Americas and it's pass inhabitiants etc

Those pictures convinced you humans couldn't have made those structures? I apparently hold the intelligence of our ancestors in higher esteem than you do, I think they had a similar intelligence distribution to what we have today:

Some very smart people, some very dumb people, and the majority of the population somewhere in-between. Thousands of years ago, like today, while many people aren't bright enough to figure out the most advanced technologies, the brightest people were, and could train the others to participate in the creation and use of the technology.

UFOs seem to be everywhere, but I'm still looking for any evidence the Earth has been visited by aliens, and those big rocks aren't proof of that. I have little doubt our ancestors could build those structures, they were not dummies.

There's a guy who moves giant rocks like that all by himself (Wally Washington), he doesn't even need any help to do it. I think he's going to build his own model of Stonehenge:



The tools he uses are sticks and stones, and gravity.

Is it possible that we are just not that significant. That maybe we are just a very minor experiment to whoever it is we ARE seeing. That maybe they are in total control of what we are seeing.

I find it hard to subscribe to the idea of information being withheld by governments and the media. In fact , I do not think that there is any conspiracy at all with regards to UFOs.


Absolute undeniable proof that that simply isn't true.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

One thing people forget is this. In the case of UFOs it only takes one to be confirmed as not ours, under intelligent control and that's it, game over.
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Ufology is akin to that experiment looking for neutrinos Take one huge underground lake, and sit and watch it, for as long as it takes.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
Surprisingly, there is very little evidence of alien sightings in past history. I am thinking 1000 BC to 1800 AD. You would have thought that ,for example, at least a handful of artists from the middle ages would have represented unidentified crafts in their paintings. But no , I have not come across any. What we do come across more often in paintings of the middle ages are demons /succubus etc which incidently look a bit similar to 'grey aliens' but no flying saucers.
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Come on, this is art, not photography. Too many things had to coincide in order to have an artist paint a UFO.

- the artist would have to experience a dramatic sighting himself

There was no mass media so the only way he could find out about an alleged sighting would be through word of mouth.

- the painting would have to survive through time

What artistic value would a picture of a UFO have and how would it fit with masterpieces of the period?

Finally, people were convinced that the Earth was flat and that the sky was just some sort of a dome with stars stuck on it for good measure. People had been burnt alive for thinking otherwize. I believe that if someone actually saw a UFO he would assume that it was a work of demons or witches.

Originally posted by zzombie
Maybe a lot of the UFO's people report "are belong to U.S." Military.
Reportedly Lockheed has entire fleets of reverse engineered UFO's.

All the Stagecraft needed for a false flag alien invasion, as Dr. Greer reported.

There are no US bases in Russia and yet we see the same UFOs. Same goes for many other countries. Are you saying that the USAF can go wherever they want to?

UFO’s, Maybe They Haven’t Visited Us As Much As We Think......OR MAYBE THEY HAVE.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This thread got hoaxed, but the mysterious professor Chang who the University Washington, tried to suggest they didnt know him, to those seeking his credentials from exoplotics is represented in a very overpriced, multidisciplinary encylopedia listing their geneticist as Chang. So....the university linked to the Genome Project, knows the good doctor.

And I think since they went to so much trouble to deny knowning him, his paper must be damned good.

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Originally posted by FireMoon
I find it hard to subscribe to the idea of information being withheld by governments and the media. In fact , I do not think that there is any conspiracy at all with regards to UFOs.


Absolute undeniable proof that that simply isn't true.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My point was that there was nothing to supress and hence no conspiracy. But I agree with you that if there was something concrete , the govenrment will indeed keep it under wraps.

My own approach is that UFOs are far less physical than people think. This is why my line of research is different.