Illegitimate 4th of July celebrations.

Hate to be the party pooper, but I can't fathom what people are celebrating. This isn't even about those who don't even know what they're celebrating, it's about those who do.

The fact is "America" is over. The tyrants who own us now are far worse than King George, and it gets worse everyday.

Taxation without representation: We pay 50X the taxes the colonialists did.

The Bill of Rights: Dead.



The Constitution: Oh dear.

Future generations: Already bankrupt at birth.

Liberty & Freedom: Please do specify how free you believe you are. Please.

US Sovereignty: On the ropes.

Fireworks: Made in China.

You support the Constitution: You might be put on a terrorist list.



And then there's the people who don't even know the first things about the 4th of July:
26 percent of Americans have no clue what country US fought to gain its independence.

It's still the 4th of July as I post this, and for those of you who are seeing it on this day, don't feel bad, that you didn't light some Chinese fireworks in an illegitimate celebration. A celebration as illegitimate as the government that enslaves us.

America is still free from Britian's rule is it not? It is still a country of its own is it not? While it does not represent yours or my idealistic view of what it should be, the American people have many more luxuries than I would say at least half the world will never have. I really fail to see why you would refuse to participate in a celebration of Independence. If you do not believe America is as it should, July 4 should be the first holiday you celebrate. This day is about ideals, about strength and courage, for fighting for what is right, for overcoming odds and controlling your own destiny. Well, that is unless you buy into the whole commercial side to this day, in which case it really isn't worth celebrating. Every Independence Day that rolls around threads pop up claiming Independence Day to be unworthy of celebration. Seems to be quite the bandwagon for people to jump on in conspiracy forums.

hmm
we fought against a monarchy imposing taxes without representation to fund various things overseas...this was little more than a mining facility.

We won a war, and decided to have run a republic with elected officals making laws, adjusting taxes, etc..some basic guidelines.

same today...taxes are higher, but thats because our elected reps voted to raise them as such.

We have the ability to make a change, but we need to be really damn convincing to convince many into voting for a particular person...but, thats sort of the point anyhow...America is not the playland of any one particular person or mindset...and most people whom want it their way or no way (tyranical mindset incidently) will see America and the choices enacted by the people as not american.

Meh, I celebrate

Originally posted by ninthaxis
America is still free from Britian's rule is it not?

Is it?

It is still a country of its own is it not?

It's a different government, but just another tyrannical empire that doesn't represent us, and taxes us to death.

While it does not represent yours or my idealistic view of what it should be, the American people have many more luxuries than I would say at least half the world will never have.

Bingo. That's all it is: Everyone selfishly reveling in their own magnificence, about how much better than they are over everyone else, including those around them.

I really fail to see why you would refuse to participate in a celebration of Independence.

What are we celebrating? Independence from what? Tyranny? No. England, arguably not. Freedom? WHAT FREEDOM?!?! Freedom to chose what TV show we watch isn't freedom.

This day is about ideals, about strength and courage, for fighting for what is right, for overcoming odds and controlling your own destiny.

And guess what, it's safe to assume that all of that was the least discussed thing at the majority of 4th of July parties across the nation. Just wearing an "American" flag T shirt doesn't count.

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Umm...you find all standards of living in all countries. You will always have the super-rich as well as the poverty-stricken. Please travel to a reasonable extent before you make such sweeping generalizations.

Where I live, for example, there is nothing like the poverty I've seen in the US, and I've spent half my life in both countries. Still, one is not, to me, preferable to the other. Our water and air are better here so I stay here. Those are most important to me.

I don't celebrate either country's independence. Neither nation's citizens are free. We're both overburdened with taxation so that our leaders can live like kings. Nothing has changed except the actors and our complacency. But for me, enough has already come and gone.

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Like I said, if you're buying into the commercial aspect of the 4th, by all means refuse to celebrate. The day still remains for ideals and all the things I listed. You really did nothing but respond with each of my points by asking is it, like a 4 year old stuck on asking why to every answer his dad can muster for him. I fail to see why people wearing United States of America flag t-shirts makes this day any less meaningful.

And I wasn't saying we were better than others who are less fortunate. I am saying that since we have luxuries that most of the world doesn't have access to, this day can be a day of being grateful that you dont have to worry about dying from drinking the only water you have avabilable to you. Despite its many problems, Americans still enjoy a much higher standard of living, and if that isn't something to celebrate, then I don't know what is.

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The funny thing is you can't seem to articulate and answer those questions and why.

You haven't really responded directly to much of what I've said, other than the overall concept that the USA isn't what it is supposed to be, in an apologist sort of sense.

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Originally posted by SaturnFX
same today...taxes are higher, but thats because our elected reps voted to raise them as such.

We have the ability to make a change, but we need to be really damn convincing to convince many into voting for a particular person...but, thats sort of the point anyhow...America is not the playland of any one particular person or mindset...and most people whom want it their way or no way (tyranical mindset incidently) will see America and the choices enacted by the people as not american.

Therein lies the problem: electing corruptible and exploitable humans to choose issues and taxation for us. It's all supporting the idea of wanting to be led, which is inherently sheepish.

For all of my griping, at least I have proposed solutions for getting past this relatively ancient practice.

Contrary to the beliefs brought up in this thread, America has been owned by foreign banks since 1791. But for a brief peroid in its history 1840-1913 it was not owned.

Anyway it "aint over till its over". A greater percentage of people are politically awake now than have ever been before.

Originally posted by ninthaxis
America is still free from Britian's rule is it not? It is still a country of its own is it not? While it does not represent yours or my idealistic view of what it should be, the American people have many more luxuries than I would say at least half the world will never have. ((snip))

"..many more luxuries ..", eh, not from my travel experience. I went to a pristine island under the "rule" of someone I'm supposed to believe is a mad man dictator.. personal amounts of drugs, ie plants of my choice were legal, as are hookers (regulated), and most shockingly.. a girl on the beach with an open beer exposing her filthy nipples wasn't greeted by angry proto-fascist Sheriffs deputies on 4-runners, armed with citation books, riot truncheons, and military grade pepper spray.

..and honestly, how can having to choose between a GOP donkey douche, or a DNC elephant turd sandwich.. be a "luxury"?.. how is only having 2 incompetent choices who always fail a luxury?.. sheeple would lose whats left of their f'n minds if Apple only offered 2 choices of iPod, or were limited to 2 types of car.. yet re-cycling upward failing party leaders, who clearly do not give half a whack about you (or I).. this is a luxury too?

Also, Amsterdam.. wow. Both foreign nations I've been to offer more luxuries and "personal freedoms" to adults than those lame-ass GOP/DNC clowns allow us.. amazingly even with these additional "freedoms", so called "terrorists" don't wake up hating Amsterdam.. gee, imagine that.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
sheeple would lose whats left of their f'n minds if Apple only offered 2 choices of iPod, or were limited to 2 types of car..

So well said!

My first MP3 player was made by Creative. I liked it, but there were only a couple basic attachments for it, period. That made it suck

Meanwhile, iPod's have something like thousands of attachments.

Same goes with cell phone cords, and cordless drill batteries (or laptop batteries).

I'm not a fan of big government. Nor am I a fan of hardliner environmentalism. But I support Congress making manufacturers of these sorts of devices adopt i/o & battery spec standards the way the computer industry does, on every single part, almost by default.

$20 for a phone cable? $30+ for a new drill battery when you bought the whole drill + case + accessories for $50?

The company with the most 'licensed' accessories literally destroys all contenders thus ensuring non-competitive player unit pricing. Damn cell phone cords cost more than the phones!! And we don't even need to get into printer ink cartridges, and them being deliberately designed so you can't refill them.



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