Islam is an Advocate of Peace, Not Terror

reply to post by queenannie38


Not necessarily. If you refrain from violence, yea you get peace. because you get killed off. If you act too aggressively, you kill yourself off. Violence is needed for some things, peace for others.

Originally posted by infolurker

Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
When and where in history was that "great respect"? Seriously? In the modern world, whenever Islam takes a strong enough foothold, people that oppose are killed. Whole villages have been slaughtered.

did you ever hear of the crusades?!?!
western crusaders slaughtered a lot more than "whole villages"
for opposing christianity!

there is no black and white here.

this relationship didn't start in 2001.

Yep,

An Oligarchy structure waging war based on "nothing" that Jesus taught. That is why they didn't teach the population to read.

One thing though, can you show me the quotes of Jesus that inspired such actions?

Polar differences here... Some Pope king declaring crusades based on nothing Jesus taught and having your prophet actually explaining in "great detail" on how you should wage war and murder, spreading the religion by the sword.

You can read the quotes of Jesus and know the message of peace. You can read the quotes of Muhammad and know that message as well.




[edit on 4-7-2010 by infolurker]

Then from the christian side we can make the distinction with the 10 commandments. There is a discrepency in #6 - Thou shall not murder.

It only covers murder, not kill. Is it permissable to kill in the name of christianity based on this? Depends on what you want to see when you read into things.

The same thing can be said for Islam - Which became radicalized in the 9th or 14th century, I forget which one.

Originally posted by PunisherSupreme

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
tell me this Muslims why was it alright for Muhammad to merry a 9 year old kid?

How does your so called peace of ISLAM religion answer the un justice rape of young boys in sudan!

actions in bosnia?

[edit on 4-7-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

LOL,

What actions in Bosnia?

Please explain...

I'm trying to work out if answering you post would actually be of any use.

www.youtube.com...

mujjahadeen hired and paid by the western goverment for the take over of bosnia? i got more videos then this one i found on youtube.


Like your islam taking over of bosnia? that fact the croatians and serbs are both leaving the country? while your pitty muslims have no jobs?


oh do you know whats the unemployment rate of bosnia?

Unemployment rate: 40% (2009 est.)

you know whats the only thing rebuilding in bosnia?

mosquess mosques nothing but mosques.



I will be making a thread this summer of the war in bosnia, that took place, i hope you wont miss it.


From your post are you from bosina by any chance?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by infolurker

Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
When and where in history was that "great respect"? Seriously? In the modern world, whenever Islam takes a strong enough foothold, people that oppose are killed. Whole villages have been slaughtered.

did you ever hear of the crusades?!?!
western crusaders slaughtered a lot more than "whole villages"
for opposing christianity!

there is no black and white here.

this relationship didn't start in 2001.

Yep,

An Oligarchy structure waging war based on "nothing" that Jesus taught. That is why they didn't teach the population to read.

One thing though, can you show me the quotes of Jesus that inspired such actions?

Polar differences here... Some Pope king declaring crusades based on nothing Jesus taught and having your prophet actually explaining in "great detail" on how you should wage war and murder, spreading the religion by the sword.

You can read the quotes of Jesus and know the message of peace. You can read the quotes of Muhammad and know that message as well.




[edit on 4-7-2010 by infolurker]

Then from the christian side we can make the distinction with the 10 commandments. There is a discrepency in #6 - Thou shall not murder.

It only covers murder, not kill. Is it permissable to kill in the name of christianity based on this? Depends on what you want to see when you read into things.

The same thing can be said for Islam - Which became radicalized in the 9th or 14th century, I forget which one.

Again, what did Jesus teach?

What did Muhammad teach?

You can't spin it. It is what it is.

Originally posted by Carseller4
This is the BEST Muslim apologist thread I have seen..........in the last 3 hours.

What's with the need to apologize for these people?

If Islam was such a peaceful religion, there would be no need for such a massive propaganda campaign. Who is funding this endeavour? Al-Queda?

words fail me as to how completely over your head this, and that other thread went.

reply to post by PunisherSupreme


I've watched your responses for two and a half pages... even if you're not, you smell like a troll.

As far as your "I am right, and until you accept that I'll just insult you" approach, you've also become a cartoon.

Either way, I'd suggest that people not buy into this guy's self righteousness... it's not worth the spike in blood pressure.

As far as the thread goes, I'd simply tell all good and decent Muslims that I'm sorry, but until your extremists stop chopping people's heads off, rule a country to the point where little girls can fry inside a school because they're not wearing head scarves and blow up 2,000 year-old Buddhist statues, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that not everyone is going to like you.

As a devout NONchristian, I don't understand the appeal of Muhummad. Not at all.

I consider that he cut his sleeve off his robe so he wouldn't have to wake his sleeping cat as rather sweet, but then, I think about it, and man, he should have woke that cat up, got his robe AND some kitty cuddles before going out....

Christ, on the other hand, is simply awesome as a teacher. I can't ever find any fault with him. He's extremely admirable and lovable.

Muhammad....eh..not so much. Wily as all get out, yes, but loveable? Teaches me profound spiritual truths? ha. Ain't happenin. Same with Abraham, gonna kill his son? Holy? ha.

I'm so glad I refuse to be chained to any holy book. I see pretty clear with no words in the way.

Stop pretending we can all just get along with a little progressive thinking.

Religion, by definition, resists progressive thinking, and it takes progressive thinking to overlook the differences necessary to live together in peace.

Therefore, logically, we cannot live together in peace as long as there are religions that fundamentally encourage xenophobia. Practically every religion has "Death to Infidels!" in some form or fashion.

And even where death isn't encouraged, bigotry IS. I can't tell you how many Hindus have treated me as a second-rate spiritual citizen on the karmic ladder of enlightenment. This is bad, especially in the tech sector because my technical opinions garner less weight, simply because I've not been reincarnated into a tree enough times to be worthy enough to be heard out.

Saying we can all get along, and that strength lies in diversity is nothing but propaganda.

Each race and religion of peoples need to be shot into space to live on their own planets. I'm Sorry to say it, and I wish it weren't true, but it is. Religious texts seem to favor segregation on a planetary scale.

Think about this: stick a christian russian guy who speaks russian, a chinese taoist chick who speaks chinese, a roman catholic italian who speaks italian, an Australian aborigine -- for good measure -- who speaks clicks and pops, and some muslim guy from Turkey who speaks turkish all in a room with a broken TV set.

I can guarantee you that whatever comes from that room is anything but a fixed TV set. Go ahead and imagine any secular problem in place of the TV set. World peace, hunger, corruption, etc...

THEN come back to me and speak of unicorns that poop skittles that is this apparent thing called "diversity." As unfortunate as it is, we are simply too hard-wired to hate each other either evolutionarily or scripturally, and must, therefore, blow ourselves up several more times before we are finally able to "Get It."

No, I didn't read the OP, nor one single reply. I reacted emotionally and knee-jerkedly, simply because these are the types of responses the topic and OP seemed to want to elicit.

I hope I lived up to it.

I can just see this thread is going to turn into a S*it fight at the drop of a hat...and that is why I am leaving to save the argument with some head-strong zealot for the 50th time that Islam is about peace, when clearly...it is not. And now I will most likely receive a death threat via U2U for speaking against Islam, just like all 32 I received on facebook from men, women AND children of Islam for drawing their Prophet Mohammad standing on a mountain. FYI I also received death threats via phone calls, and even a letter sent to the place I work compliments of the peacefully people of Islam.

Im sorry, I will not buy into this propaganda.

reply to post by PunisherSupreme


Your right I apologize. The problem is hysterical, people who seem angry, and blame everyone for their problem's, but of course never them selves, and hate the West in particular, all sound alike to me. If so many people have "issues" with Islam don't be so naive to think we single it out and love to kick dirt in your face because we have nothing better to do. When the public image of Islam as the reactionaries portray, includes sexism, where men marry little girls, anti-intellectualism, and just plain blowing people up, how do you expect the West to react, throw you a ******* parade? Only Muslim's can change this image of hate. But that's only if you care.

Originally posted by infolurker
An Oligarchy structure waging war based on "nothing" that Jesus taught. That is why they didn't teach the population to read.

One thing though, can you show me the quotes of Jesus that inspired such actions?

Matthew 10:34-39
(34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
(35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
(37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
(38) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
(39) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Actually, he married the child at the age of six and consumated the marriage at the age of nine. So I'll be keeping my daughter away from any adherent of that particular religion, thank you very much.

YouSir

[edit on 4-7-2010 by YouSir]

reply to post by queenannie38


Let's take a look at that whole thing in context, mmkay?

24"A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub,[c] how much more the members of his household!
26"So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[d]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. 30And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[e]

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

So what did we learn? Do not take things out of context.

As you can see here, it is about those in the way of truth. Do not make friends with those who hide truth. Not even if they are your family. Jesus came not to make peace with those who hide truth, but to replace them.

The pharisees, for example.

Amongst Jesus' teachings was the rejection of man's law. And to do what you can to bring down man's law which is faulty. IE, emperors and kings of man, and their unlimited control.

Going back to ancient Israel, God wanted judges in place, not kings. God was to be the king.

[edit on 4-7-2010 by Gorman91]

Great post.

I agree with every fiber of my being. The topic of Islam is very dear to me, not because I belief in the faith, but because I believe in people.

There is absolutely no way that there is an entire sect of the population, actually 1/6th of the population who are terrorists. And this is what I read and hear people saying every day.

For almost 10 years I've watched the propaganda campaign escalate, to the point where we are ready to attack and occupy entire nations in it's name.

I've said it a million times and I will say it again.

Religious extremism exists everywhere, how much of what is reported and how it is reported is the problem.

~Keeper

Originally posted by guavas
No, I didn't read the OP, nor one single reply. I reacted emotionally and knee-jerkedly, simply because these are the types of responses the topic and OP seemed to want to elicit.

I hope I lived up to it.

no, actually i did not want to elicit anything, especially this mess!

most of the time, i start threads that i think are interesting and that others would surely also find interesting....but it never seems to be the case. i kill threads and am a jinx for starting one, even my own.

i ran across this article from a link in another thread and, because of something personal in my own life right now, doves are popping up here and there and the dove on the side of the bus was really beautiful, imo.

and i am a peace lover - i would literally sell my soul if it made this earth a peaceful place - so i liked the idea of the article.

so i posted it, not thinking ahead, really, and if so, just expecting the usual blah-blah next-to-no-response that i always get for the threads i start.

so NO
you're wrong.

and what's worse, you reacted instead of responded, further polluting the thread for any logical or calm discussion, and admit you read nothing but the TITLE.

thanks for the honesty, anyway.


but that is not what i wanted and i'd rather have a thread with only 3 replies rather than the ignorant hate-fest going on by other people who obviously can't relate to the idea of ADVOCATING PEACE...and what's worse - getting the idea of my OP totally twisted around by saying, OVER and OVER, that i am proposing that Islam is a religion of peace!

i said no such thing at any time in my life...what i said was that it is an ADVOCATE of peace.

look it up in the dictionary, people.

add to that the self-admitted knee-jerk reactors and i'd be happy with just one reply as long as it was civil, informed, and open-minded.

the chaos in this thread says a lot more about people than they probably realize.

:shk:

if you're not going to read the link or AT LEAST skim through the first and last pages of the thread, i really wish you'd not post at all. doing so without any sort of reading at all goes against everything ATS is about....you know the drill....

deny ______________?


and thank you all who are civil, informed, open-minded, and kind enough to post on my thread.

reply to post by ShadowAngel85


You may not think Religion is nessacary, but many others do. Although religion has caused wars, death, and has been attacked by science and progressives, the belif in God or any other higher etntity brings hope and joy into the hearts of many. Tell me one thing, one other beleif that can bring that kind of light to so many.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Not 1/6. That would mean 333 million terrorists. That would justify any war.

It's more like 1/10th.

The problem, however, is not in them. It's that, for all observations, most of the other 9/10 appear to be doing nothing to stop it. Other than Iran's population and most of the Muslims here, where are all the Muslims saying what is supposedly right? I see only people minding their own business and not communicating.

reply to post by Gorman91


i know the sermon on the mount by heart.
don't patronize me.


i didn't take it out of context any more than anyone else does at any given time for their own purposes.

Jesus said what he said.
there's nothing in the context to modify that or to explain it.

he said he came to spread the sword NOT peace.
many took that literally.

is it any surprise, since human nature seems to be stuck in a stand-still?!?!?!

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Not 1/6. That would mean 333 million terrorists. That would justify any war.

It's more like 1/10th.

The problem, however, is not in them. It's that, for all observations, most of the other 9/10 appear to be doing nothing to stop it. Other than Iran's population and most of the Muslims here, where are all the Muslims saying what is supposedly right? I see only people minding their own business and not communicating.

I meant the world muslim population, there are about 1 billion, with 6 billion people that would be 1/6th.

How are a people suppose to say anything with a western and european media hell bent on demonizing them and making them all look like terrorists?

Would you beat your head against a brick wall for a decade?

~Keeper

Islam , by its natural ideology is a militant and imperialistic system. Read the Q'uran ... read the Hadith. It is all there in plain sight. I study Islam and I can tell you even a lot of moderates are just waiting to turn hostile . They feel that this is THEIR world to conquer and their right to subjugate us to their philosophy.


Keep saying it is not true, I will never believe the lies. The very evidence for it lies in your prophets mouth.... are you going to say he was wrong? Are you going to tell me his ideology is racist , contemptable ,malicious , and malevolent?

PLease refute your OWN prophet..... you WON'T!!!! You believe it is true and will follow your worm-tongued prophets orders til death.

Islam is inherently a tool of subjugation. A sick , twisted malevolent manifesto. K thx Bye.