The Atheists Nightmare

Originally posted by randyvs


Are you people just not into self preservation or what?
I can certainly imagine myself, after death, resting
peacefully in my grave, with nothing to ever come and
bother me. Even after a lifetime of belief in God.

The thing I can't imagine and am glad I will never have to...
Would be if I was suddenly awakened from that eternal sleep,
by the deafing sound of trumpets blaring loud enough to wake the dead.
Then as an Angel is rushing by my comfortable grave, he pauses and points
the way to Judgment day.
This after a long life denying God because I was duped by a fad. Atheism.
The fool says," there is no God" then comes death. then judgment.

The thing I find so ironic about Atheism, is that it is also is a part of prophecy.
You literally are predicted as a great falling away.
If it weren't for Atheism the Bible might be in error.
God foretold of the day when arrogant men would scough at
God fearing people.
So what all can you tell me?
Maybe death doesn't exist either?

One thing that can't be argued, we are all intelligent enough that we should have
it sorted out by the time we do sleep. So start off with the truth that everyone knows ( There is only one truth) and check yourself, before you wreck yourself.
Your life is literally in your hands.

I'm sure the bible talks about the unbelievers, as does the Quran.... and countless others!!! Prophecy Fulfilled!! Checkmate atheists!!

I'm also sure that it talks about being ridiculed for believing in angels and being blasted by trumpets after you die... well because it's fairly ridiculous, you'll see Cultic groups do the same thing and try to flip it around on the unbeliever, who say... doesn't believe that aliens are behind haleys comet!

You say things like "atheists what happens if you wake up out of death.....yeah.... and trumpets go off, gods pissed.... and none of your laundry is done!! Then what!!!"

Well, just as easily, you could wake up, and allah is pissed, now you get the fire in hell. Ugh... So many religions, all believing that everyone else is burning for eternity... and as always they smugly lean back in their chairs, with a false sense of satisfaction knowing that they've got it right! and why, because their book says they've got it right!!

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by PieKeeper

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by PieKeeper

 

Come-on now! A person of your ability in discernment can absolutly see that I'm appealing to common sense. Do you know what happens after we die?

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No, and you don't either. Since there is no evidence for an afterlife, to believe that there is one is silly.

I wish I were so lucky to sit and believe that crap.

Sadly I have seen what must have been a 'ghost'.

What am I going to do? Pretend it never happened? Yeah right.

Whatever I saw, it proves you people don't know crap about what you are talking about. It proves you are all full of it. IMHO.

Like I would ever believe the ignorant crap that comes out of the mouths around here...

When you see a ghost hopefully you will be reasonable and realize there is more to this universe than we originally thought, or you are in complete denial and afraid of the truth yourself.

It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with physical reality.

I just really hope you see a ghost too. Then you will realize how 99% of people don't know crap about this world and it's "physics".

Even the religious nuts don't even know wtf is going on.

Life and Death are still a mystery. Trust me, no one has figured it out yet...

I'm sorry to butt in on this.

But you can't honestly expect us all to suddenly believe in the afterlife, and such because a guy on the internet...... allegedly saw a ghost.... ?

If that was the case, then I could take people down to the Insane Asylum and have them believing in all kinds of crazy #!!!

Originally posted by Republican08
[Well, just as easily, you could wake up, and allah is pissed, now you get the fire in hell. Ugh... So many religions, all believing that everyone else is burning for eternity... and as always they smugly lean back in their chairs, with a false sense of satisfaction knowing that they've got it right! and why, because their book says they've got it right!!

I know we dont see eye to eye on some things, but that above paragraph is absolutely 100% correct, lol

All these religions belieiving other religions are worshipping false gods, and as you say, thinking all those other people are going to hell. The self righteousnous of these people is unbelievable. They seem to live in a world where the mentality is "Im right, you're wrong...and if you disagree, you are going to hell"

Applause for you sir

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
reply to post by randyvs

 

There can be only one truth. Something I learned in philosophy class. How important to learn this saves from a lot of trouble in the future. Nice post!

I disagree - there are an infinite number of truths, each person runs around with a head full of them - more than half of them conflicting with the next persons truth.

Absolute truth and god exist in the same place - in the realm of possibility and fantasy. That is not to say they don't exist, but more to say they have no practical application by beings such as ourselves.

Unfortunately - we are far too limited to discern truth from BS - the best thing we can do, is try and understand what it all means - and leave absolute truth for those who believe in god.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Amagnon]

EDIT: Anyway, I am going to Valhalla or Elysium - not heaven - sorry.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Amagnon]

As a Christian one does not necessarily start from the point of believing in an afterlife and build upon from that to have "faith" in God.
God only makes Himself known to those who He calls.
If mankind looks at nature and the complexity of nature (of it which I will not get into here) it has to be seen that life is VERY complex and could not have started on it's own and "evolved" on it's own to this level.
Study DNA alone and all the info it holds and how it reproduces. Is that a product of "evolution"? Look at the human ear, study the workings of the human eye... If "evolution" "created" these who drew the blueprints, who assembled the first prototype? who tested and perfected the operation of them? "Evolution"? To design, build and test DNA, the working of the ears and the eyes would take quite a high IQ. What is the IQ of evolution if evolution is a mindless process then the IQ is a big zero. Right?
Well once someone realizes that some one or something intelligent designed and created these few items then they must realize there is a "creator".
If there is a creator then who is he, she or it?
Why did he /she/it create me and what does he/she/it want of me?
Then the search begins. Does everyone find the true God? NO!
Search all faiths and find which one is true and make the most sense.
You may find that some "fit" your lifestyle and settle on that to follow but unless someone Finds the true GOD of the Bible they are just wasting their time and have not found the truth.

Romans 3:23 (New International Version)

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

Originally posted by ccsct203
As a Christian one does not necessarily start from the point of believing in an afterlife and build upon from that to have "faith" in God.
God only makes Himself known to those who He calls.
If mankind looks at nature and the complexity of nature (of it which I will not get into here) it has to be seen that life is VERY complex and could not have started on it's own and "evolved" on it's own to this level.
Study DNA alone and all the info it holds and how it reproduces. Is that a product of "evolution"? Look at the human ear, study the workings of the human eye... If "evolution" "created" these who drew the blueprints, who assembled the first prototype? who tested and perfected the operation of them? "Evolution"? To design, build and test DNA, the working of the ears and the eyes would take quite a high IQ. What is the IQ of evolution if evolution is a mindless process then the IQ is a big zero. Right?
Well once someone realizes that some one or something intelligent designed and created these few items then they must realize there is a "creator".
If there is a creator then who is he, she or it?
Why did he /she/it create me and what does he/she/it want of me?
Then the search begins. Does everyone find the true God? NO!
Search all faiths and find which one is true and make the most sense.
You may find that some "fit" your lifestyle and settle on that to follow but unless someone Finds the true GOD of the Bible they are just wasting their time and have not found the truth.

Romans 3:23 (New International Version)

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

Gasp huge quote!!!

As it so happens I'm looking at a human ear right now!
It's fairly complex, although I think the eye is more complex, yet so easily and effortlessly can be explained via evolution, whilst in no need of fossil evidence, but evidence that can be seen through transitions of animals and sea animals and such living right now!

Another big thing you said that gives me a real bitter taste, evolution in no way shape or form tries to abide by a "blueprint", it simply follows a set of natural laws.

You said yourself that, don't look for heaven then try to find god. Well just maneuver that thought, don't look at current life forms and trace backwards.

Well I'm glad you made this as unbiased as possible......lol

I'm glad you're right on the money with Yahweh, ahem, the one true god....

Although....billions of other people are in complete and total disagreement with you..... yes billions!

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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Pauligirl

 

You can’t sincerely believe something just to be on the safe side. Without the sincerity, you are just a hypocrite. If there is a god, which do you think he/she/it would prefer? Honest disbelief, or hypocritical belief?

I wonder how you've become confused?
Certainly I never said that's why I believe something or anything for that
matter. NoNo I have much deeper reasons my fair one.



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Bad wording on my part. I can't say I believe in something if I don't. The whole god/religion thing to me is just baffling. I truly do not understand how anybody believes it.

Originally posted by PieKeeper
Atheists don't usually believe in an afterlife, so there's no point in worrying about "Judgement day".

What you're trying to do, like Christianity often does, is to appeal to us through fear. Well, we aren't going to have any of that.

It doesn't matter what you believe. All that matters is the truth and the truth is that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and no one else! You have the right to reject the truth as God has given everyone free will...but you will be sorry if you do!


With eternity riding on the decisions you make in this life, you might want to think very long and very hard before you reject the Lord Jesus Christ!

If you want to talk more you can u2u me.

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Noun 1. coercion-the act of compelling by force of authority
terror-the use of extreme fear in order to coerce people (especially for political reasons); "he used terror to make them confess"

Why follow any God that uses coercion to gain followers?

Follow me or burn in hell...

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Oh no, don't angry the God(s), they will send you to hell...also, eat your vegetables because Santa won't bring you any presents if you don't. Good child, here have a cookie!

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No one is forcing you to do anything. Its your choice to believe or not to and live accordingly.

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It doesn't matter what you believe. All that matters is the truth and the truth is that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and no one else! You have the right to reject the truth as God has given everyone free will...but you will be sorry if you do!

So my options are to follow God or to burn for all eternity? Hmmm...any sane person would choose to follow God, because the threat of being burned alive for all eternity is extremely psychologically frightening.

In fact, all of histories greatest dictators could learn a thing or two about coercing people into submission from God.

I don't know about you, but any entity that claims to be the one "All knowing, all loving and compassionate creator," and then tells you that you have the "free will" to choose to follow them...but then threatens you with eternal torture if you don't...does not sound that "loving and compassionate" to me. No wonder why human beings have such a twisted sense of love and compassion...God makes Hitler look like a pansy. In fact, if I used God's logic it would be perfectly Ok for me to threaten my children with stuffing them in my oven when they refuse to love me and follow me.

I fully believe that Christians follow Satan, because only someone as evil as Satan (as he is portrayed in the Bible) could think up such a dubious scheme to win supporters.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
reply to post by dalan.

 

No one is forcing you to do anything. Its your choice to believe or not to and live accordingly.

When someone threatens torture it is force.

Originally posted by dalan.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
reply to post by dalan.

 

No one is forcing you to do anything. Its your choice to believe or not to and live accordingly.

When someone threatens torture it is force.

Actually I was discussing this with another member on here, and even tried finding sources of it on the web about it. Since the bible is open to interpretation, it was suggested that there is no such a thing as eternal damnation when speaking of humans. Simply because eternal life is granted by faith in jesus christ. It makes sense not that you would continue to live forever in a burning pit of fire, nor does it seem compassionate at all. It may be that the ones that suffer eternally in hell are the fallen angels because they had full knowledge of god. Perhaps by rejecting Christ, one just ceases to exist. I will try to find sources of this, I know you are gonna ask, but if you can't wait, seek and ye shall find.

I wonder what peoples view of God would be if they learned there was no eternal damnation at all?

would just like to explain that if you use the oldie, but goodie that stuff like ears and eyes are too complicated to have evolved, so they must have been created by sky daddy (because after all, he's so divine and complex and cool and junk), then you have rendered your own argument retarded. because if complicated, even miraculous things can not occur in our universe, than how did the big guy come into being?

in other words, if god can come into being, surely too can my rods and cones. and if my rods and cones can evolve into being, i don't need a special spaceman to take the credit.

can't have it both ways. but those death trumpets are a mighty scary influencer, no?

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Actually I was discussing this with another member on here, and even tried finding sources of it on the web about it. Since the bible is open to interpretation, it was suggested that there is no such a thing as eternal damnation when speaking of humans. Simply because eternal life is granted by faith in jesus christ. It makes sense not that you would continue to live forever in a burning pit of fire, nor does it seem compassionate at all. It may be that the ones that suffer eternally in hell are the fallen angels because they had full knowledge of god. Perhaps by rejecting Christ, one just ceases to exist. I will try to find sources of this, I know you are gonna ask, but if you can't wait, seek and ye shall find.

I wonder what peoples view of God would be if they learned there was no eternal damnation at all?

Indeed friend, and those are excellent points that you make. I personally feel that Christianity has been warped to fit man's agenda for the past two thousand years. Hence the use of threats of torture...that is a very man-made concept.

I have always felt that if God is the ultimate truth so-to-speak, then he does not need to use such childish tactics to gain followers. In fact, I feel that God would welcome questioning and skepticism...for our questioning nature would lead us on a path to knowledge to find God in the end. Giving his true followers the proper foundation for choosing to align themselves with his will.

Makes much more sense.

[edit on 7/3/2010 by dalan.]

What most of the believers don't understand about most non-believers . . . The more insistant and absolute you are about your beliefs . . . the more I am confident that there is no afterlife and, certainly, no damnation.

Followers in the more evangelical faiths would be wise to head the words of Lao Tsu . . . "Those who know, don't speak. Those who speak, don't know". - Tao Te Ching

Now . . . show me something other than words . . . and I'm all ears (so to speak).

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by The Endtime Warrior

 

Actually I was discussing this with another member on here, and even tried finding sources of it on the web about it. Since the bible is open to interpretation, it was suggested that there is no such a thing as eternal damnation when speaking of humans. Simply because eternal life is granted by faith in jesus christ. It makes sense not that you would continue to live forever in a burning pit of fire, nor does it seem compassionate at all. It may be that the ones that suffer eternally in hell are the fallen angels because they had full knowledge of god. Perhaps by rejecting Christ, one just ceases to exist. I will try to find sources of this, I know you are gonna ask, but if you can't wait, seek and ye shall find.

I wonder what peoples view of God would be if they learned there was no eternal damnation at all?

Indeed friend, and those are excellent points that you make. I personally feel that Christianity has been warped to fit man's agenda for the past two thousand years. Hence the use of threats of torture...that is a very man-made concept.

I have always felt that if God is the ultimate truth so-to-speak, then he does not need to use such childish tactics to gain followers. In fact, I feel that God would welcome questioning and skepticism...for our questioning nature would lead us on a path to knowledge to find God in the end. Giving his true followers the proper foundation for choosing to align themselves with his will.

Makes much more sense.

[edit on 7/3/2010 by dalan.]

I've entertained that idea too.

I wonder why a god would, (well the gods that are most commonly known) give me this big brain, with a huge chunk of it dedicated to rational and critical thinking, allowing me to learn, doubt, critic and make conclusions....... Then tell me "no!!" Whatever you do, completely stop using your brain and just believe and if you doubt then you automatically go to hell!

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by The Endtime Warrior

 

Actually I was discussing this with another member on here, and even tried finding sources of it on the web about it. Since the bible is open to interpretation, it was suggested that there is no such a thing as eternal damnation when speaking of humans. Simply because eternal life is granted by faith in jesus christ. It makes sense not that you would continue to live forever in a burning pit of fire, nor does it seem compassionate at all. It may be that the ones that suffer eternally in hell are the fallen angels because they had full knowledge of god. Perhaps by rejecting Christ, one just ceases to exist. I will try to find sources of this, I know you are gonna ask, but if you can't wait, seek and ye shall find.

I wonder what peoples view of God would be if they learned there was no eternal damnation at all?

Indeed friend, and those are excellent points that you make. I personally feel that Christianity has been warped to fit man's agenda for the past two thousand years. Hence the use of threats of torture...that is a very man-made concept.

I have always felt that if God is the ultimate truth so-to-speak, then he does not need to use such childish tactics to gain followers. In fact, I feel that God would welcome questioning and skepticism...for our questioning nature would lead us on a path to knowledge to find God in the end. Giving his true followers the proper foundation for choosing to align themselves with his will.

Makes much more sense.

[edit on 7/3/2010 by dalan.]

Agreed Dalan. Organized religion is the reason so many atheists are out loud and proud about their belief or lack there of, and it doesn't surprise me at all. No one wants to be preached to. I dont either. Live and let live, if you have questions then I give my best answers but I certainly don't go around suggesting to everyone they should stop doing what they do because they will burn forever. HOw could I know such a thing? Cheers

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What most of the believers don't understand about most non-believers . . . The more insistant and absolute you are about your beliefs . . . the more I am confident that there is no afterlife and, certainly, no damnation.

Well now how does that work?

Followers in the more evangelical faiths would be wise to head the words of Lao Tsu . . . "Those who know, don't speak. Those who speak, don't know". - Tao Te Ching

Well in a free nation things are little different. I hope you're happy with that.

Now . . . show me something other than words . . . and I'm all ears (so to speak).

Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



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