The One True Way to Defeat TPTB?

In all things, lie strategy.

When I look at the world and the interactions of all things, I see war. When we speak to each other, its war. When we argue, engage in society, move around, bargain, do business, shake hands, smile, look or act a certain way, interacting with friends and loved ones, every assumed and unassumed interaction in existence, its war. Offense and defense, advantage and disadvantage, physical and mental.

If you dont know that, then very likely a number of people are controlling you... you have higher-ups... LOLz !!!

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Why was ghandi's approach so effective? Fighting with peace.

I think when it comes to devils like tptb (and all ptb's are devils), first of all, they would just love you to attack. That makes their day when a so-called terrorist attacks them. They write their press release and the kill order in one sitting. Then they have every opportunity to white wash it, spin it, doctor it, justify it, get away with wiping them off the earth. Thats best case scenario for them. If Ghandi had attacked with violence we'd know nothing about him, like nearly every other revolutionary ever!

So as far as the govts high road goes, evil begets evil. Thats all this is about. Minimizing the ability of anyone in the future calling your righteousness into question. If theres any way possible tptb can make it look justified and act in aggression, they will. All throughout history all humankind has is murder. Everything else is justification. Always.

But Ghandi figured out how to hit them where it hurts, their control. They need their control. 1st tptb had 80% control. Then to beat it back to 50%, Ghandi took away all their control (by people striking). Ghandi never won 100% freedom for everyone (but no one ever did), he knew to use loss of all control to gain less control. Then he sought ways to go further.

We b**** and complain all day. Then when we do get mad enough we attack senselessly, resulting in our deaths and villification. But this nonviolent noncooperation will bring these devils to their knees. I wanna find the correct way to fight, thats all...

So what would the American Ghandi be like? Is it possible? How can we as an anticonspiracy movement utilize and implement his proven strategies? Know anybody who looks like Ghandi? Think he's a d****ebag and would rather all-out fight? Think I'm a d****ebag? Lemme know. Intelligent answers only, all others will be pwnd ferociously (after which you can call me a hypocrite haha)

reply to post by mav0360


You should always be passive, as the ptb know all about violence, and its there only way to destroy people. Of course it helps if your naturally passive, like i am, but all of you too should never do anything to harm another.

But in the dog eat dog world we have, your taught to be animals.

Passive resistance is the only way, though you may get ridiculed to death, at least your not them.

the last true religion which is islam tells u to kill these devils
thats wat the war is really about
killing islam
if we dont fight to defend ourselfs now it WILL be to late

[edit on 3-7-2010 by icecold7]

reply to post by andy1033


The battle is not with TPTB the battle is one of self.

We battle with ideologies that are projected onto us by the system operated by TPTB however we always lose if we battle the system itself.

We must deal with the the two opposing forces within.
The light and the dark.

The light being God and the dark being the system of the beast that has been conditioned into us by the society we live in.

The only way out is to defeat that which is responsible for allowing us to accept the ideology itself. The ego.

Thus without the ego we are released into the light of god.

I have had expereinces without the ego. They were the most peaceful moments in my life but only came about by themselves.

I am currently trying to release myself from my ego but have thus far failed to do so completly.

Until we can learn to accept the light as our only guiding principle we will always remain slaves to the system. Dependent on what the system has to offer us.



[edit on 3-7-2010 by Spirit777]

Originally posted by icecold7
the last true religion which is islam tells u to kill these devils
thats wat the war is really about
killing islam
if we dont fight to defend ourselfs now it WILL be to late

[edit on 3-7-2010 by icecold7]

your energy is most appreciated. but look around you, it IS too late. in fact, it HAS been too late, since the first man outsmarted another.

islam and all religions are being played against each other. ya know why? war makes money and furthers control. you are only reacting how you've been programmed to. true muslims love peace just like true christians...


there are only people...

reply to post by Spirit777


I agree with this. One's resistance to a problem becomes a part of the problem. Everything, good or bad, is an evolutionary ladder, mankind's learning curve. It's difficult to accept bad things in the world, but from a non-egoic point of view, everything is the only way it can be. The way to fix the world is to fix oneself first, by severing identification with the conditioned mind, the ego, which sees division and separateness when all that is, is unity.

TPTB know the threat of a peaceful demonstration. After Ghandi, they learnt.
That is why when a large peaceful demonstration takes place on a subject that is sensitive (ie; recent G20), they put their own agent provocateur's in the demonstartion to start and incite a non-peaceful action. this then makes the demonstration violent, the sheeple dont want to see it on the TV, and they can then send the riot police in to squash it.

just think of how many peaceful demonstrations you hear about that 'turn' violent. ho are the one amongst the peaceful demonstrators that start the violence? the pawns of TPTB.

Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327
TPTB know the threat of a peaceful demonstration. After Ghandi, they learnt.
That is why when a large peaceful demonstration takes place on a subject that is sensitive (ie; recent G20), they put their own agent provocateur's in the demonstartion to start and incite a non-peaceful action. this then makes the demonstration violent, the sheeple dont want to see it on the TV, and they can then send the riot police in to squash it.

just think of how many peaceful demonstrations you hear about that 'turn' violent. ho are the one amongst the peaceful demonstrators that start the violence? the pawns of TPTB.

so far we have quite a few very good posts. thank you everyone.

and sir you are very correct. but they learnt during his time as a matter of fact. they caused many of the outbursts in his rebellion only to squash them. thats why ghandi himself stopped his own revolution. twice. something like this has to be done utmost correctly.

and many of these peaceful protests have at least one or two idiots who are not peaceful. you know that. usually younger protesters. doesnt matter. and the whole rest of it can be totally peaceful. but the msm jumps in and does their part and sensationalizes the negativity and thats all that gets spun to we the people.

i mean to ask, how CAN this be done? it works, thats a fact. not at all arguable. but only if done correctly. how can we do it correctly?

We had an American Ghandi. His name was Martin Luther King. They killed him before his Poor Peoples campaign. So human rights for all people first. To see everyone as a brother was necessary. Once you got that for the poor people which is most Americans to confront the Corporate interests that have taken over this country.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
Martin Luther King

Ghandi and Martin Luther King saw the entire Matrix and actually knew how to defeat it. We walk past injustice everyday and say or do anything. I'm part of that same problem. We all are. That injustice always comes back to bite you!!!

For example the outsourcing of American jobs. We said nothing about the deplorable conditions that they made these people work. As long as we got what we needed it was fine. Now the entire country is being outsourced.

To get even deeper. The slave state we live in is a direct result of slavery in which the country was founded. How ironic is it that the 14th amendment that supposedly freed the slaves actually opened the plantation for everybody. The symetry and Karmic irony is absolutely astounding.

Without slavery there's no 14th amendment. There's no US citizen. There's no US slavery.

Originally posted by Murtzmaug
reply to post by mav0360
Small steps are needed to change the world . . .

Truth simple and sweet.

Unfortunately, this is the way control was gained.
Boiling the frog, so to speak.

How to lessen their control?

Stop working and stop paying is what it all boils down to - to me.

Refuse to support a corrupt system.

I think that is the last thing they want.

Defeating the Powers that Be is in reality all about reducing and eliminating one’s own codependence on them.

They are the Powers that Be, simply because they own and control the logistical systems that make life possible for many of us, and most especially those that live in large urban areas.

They control the food supply and it’s distribution, the energy supply and it’s distribution, the communications grid and it’s utilization, the banking system and it’s series of debits and credits, the manufacturing sector and it’s output and distribution, the media system and information dissemination, etc. etc.

By looking for ways to become more self reliant, and locally reliant in each of these categories you limit the power that the Powers that Be have over you. The more people who opt out in these categories and search for alternatives that don’t enrich the Powers that Be the less power they have.

The Powers that Be exist for the simple reason, that for the sake of convenience, we have allowed them to amass and horde and control the entire world’s resources, their distribution network, and the whole logistical process of keeping the world productive in a semi-vital state.

Protesting won’t actually change that, not participating where and if and at all possible, and becoming self reliant will.

As long as people want to be enslaved to the things that the Powers that Be provide them, to make their lives more convenient, the Powers that Be will thrive and grow stronger.

It’s pretty simple and in fact not scary at all, once you realize there is no magic to lording over a starving man with the only loaf of bread in town.

All that requires is someone else learning how to find what is needed and how to make your own loaf of bread.

When their's is no longer the only loaf of bread in town...well, I am sure you get the picture, thanks!

Originally posted by Burred_Dawg

Refuse to support a corrupt system.

I think that is the last thing they want.

Yes, and a really easy way to do that is to not vote. When you vote, you participate in their game. When you vote, you vote for them and for their system of control. I can't believe how few people get this. People are like lemmings mindlessly queuing up to the voting booth, dutifully jumping off the cliff.

Originally posted by mav0360

Originally posted by icecold7
the last true religion which is islam tells u to kill these devils
thats wat the war is really about
killing islam
if we dont fight to defend ourselfs now it WILL be to late

[edit on 3-7-2010 by icecold7]

your energy is most appreciated. but look around you, it IS too late. in fact, it HAS been too late, since the first man outsmarted another.

islam and all religions are being played against each other. ya know why? war makes money and furthers control. you are only reacting how you've been programmed to. true muslims love peace just like true christians...


there are only people...

Agreed~it's the brainwash of the media that's changed the whole Muslim perception.

I always thought they were God loving.

Those who are not against us are for us.

A Christian saying.

reply to post by mav0360


Seriously, coming from The United States, you are more likely to get a war monger. The people in Ghandi's day in India were altogether a more peaceful society, and their kids didn't grow up enjoying ultra-violent and desensitizing media outlets like video gaming or feature films. The American Ghandi probably would have come out of the hippie movement if at all. The way our government is set up here is you conform to the way of accepted thinking or you are outcast. Knowing our youth here, they are more apt to react to the government with violence.

spirit777 - the battle with self is a major factor. the ptb have given us that battle. if there were no ptb, there would be no battle with self. i understand your points though. i have only mostly abolished ego. it has its uses (like for shooting off my mouth on ats). i'm zen, so all duality is automatically out the window. but the battle is most certainly with tptb. if this is any way deniable, then why are you even in the new world order section? i have great respect for you, but the fight has been going on, and it needs to end. not in slavery.

murtzmaug - i love it. this is how i live. do what i can and never require thanks.
and the enemy is most obscure. his enemies were more obvious. but his true enemies are ours, because it was tptb who put the brittish govt in india in the first place. but first we defeat the devils who are apparent, then it should come as no surprise when we come for the obscure ones.

the4111 - ah mlkjr! if theres an afterlife, he's surely not resting in peace. we need another like martin luther the king jr too. offed way too soon. and the devils rejoiced.

burred_dawg and protoplasmictraveller - i do this. i have no job (dont ask how but i do get money). so i dont pay taxes besides sales. i dont vote (but if you dont it doesnt matter cause they just vote for you, in place of your strawman, for whatever they want). i buy from farmers as much as possible. no bank account. no contracts with the world (except my strawman, not for long). i trade and barter as much as possible. asap i'll be going solar. i've been mostly off the grid for 8 or 9 years.

yuefo - not voting doesnt really work if our votes dont even count any way. you do have a revolutionary mind though, keep it up.

Originally posted by Armedcitizenry
reply to post by mav0360

 

Seriously, coming from The United States, you are more likely to get a war monger. The people in Ghandi's day in India were altogether a more peaceful society, and their kids didn't grow up enjoying ultra-violent and desensitizing media outlets like video gaming or feature films. The American Ghandi probably would have come out of the hippie movement if at all. The way our government is set up here is you conform to the way of accepted thinking or you are outcast. Knowing our youth here, they are more apt to react to the government with violence.

i'm a born and raised american. and i agree. i was watching faces of death at a very young age. and reading graphic novels earlier. and now with these video games, hollywood, and the media...

but there has been violence since time began, and you cant deny there was a lotta violence in india. humans are only human. but there has also been peace though. i agree that americans are violence prone. but if you see the war happening, and youre not the one winning, those peaceful people are, then even the most violent person will adopt the winning ways. which in this case would be peace.

the govt will wipe out those they can justify, but they cannot kill peaceful people, thats why they hired someone to kill mkljr AND ghandi.

let me say, they do win when they assassinate these people, but only because everyone else stops following the way. if a second ghandi or mlkjr stepped up, they'd have been screwed. we need uniformity in our peaceful opposition to the ptb. the only flaw in their campaigns was redundancy. if i was alive back then, i would've taken the reigns. but i wasn't.

but i am now, and this is me taking the reigns.

onward, to freedom!

Its all about dividing and conquering, on a basic level starting with all things difficult to split up and divide family spirit, to the ingroups and fighting in nations and the world. People being hard hearted, and judgmental and blaming each other rather than the mismanagement team and bankers is encouraged.

How do we win, awareness and wishing to is a big thing. There is three main principles to overcoming this world and slave system and it takes awareness on our part, and also, no fear, for they try to show us that they have the ability to harm us, but their lessons are false ones. By this I mean, that while many who step out and question them are harmed, depending on our development and awareness, darkness is given no power over us by our Family of Light. Period, this is for real. They have absolutely no power over us and cannot harm us, should we be waking up and becoming aware ourselves. But to do so, means looking beyond the temporal, the physical, the economics, the politics, the illusions of this matrix.

To hit the real purpose for being here. This takes, meditation, asking within over and over again, Who am I? Why am I here? What is the world really? Can I help wake others up? Reporting for Duty!!! It means listening within, without credo, preconceived spiritual beliefs, even, and this is not to diminish people's faith, but if one has a faith, one needs to be open minded, for the reality is more akin to Quantum Physics/Weirdness, meets the Beyond/Heaven, than what we realize, and this Universe is more like a Hollogram, and this is a school.

So, waking up to who we are, gaining some memories, sky watching and seeking only the highest love and light and good benevolent contact, reporting for duty, responding even to negative people with love and light, yet denouncing them (ie. suitbable for negatie et contact as well), alligns us with our Higher Self, with the Family of Light and with protection. That means, when we respond with fear or anger to even bad guys, or name calling, we shrink, they grow, and the protection falters. But as we push the limits of our consciousness, and wake up to realize our purpose in this school, and give love, appreciation and thankfulness to Love and Light, we are protected. Bad things can still happen to good people, but ONLY if its allowed by Higher Self, for our own good, and fear of death is gone, for we know we are safe and out of here, literally have passed the test.

So the first thing is, No Fear, do not allow TPTB to intimidate those working for change, have consciousness. Sungaze, with an intention of connecting to our Family in the Beyond, (stars broadcast in the hollogram) and gain in consciousness, love, awareness, spirit.

Then: `1) awareness, start local boards with the issues on them, and link them to all the big conspiracy boards, really encourage ppl to do their own research. I have one now going but no one knows about it, so encourage other boards to even copy your board, ie. I don't care about ownership issues, just make it easy for everyone to get it off the ground and then, make videos on youtube to promote this in your area based on a few big issues, ie. codex or whatever is current and big to you.

Write for, meditate, envision, speak out, find ways to connect locally, for awareness, small groups, to wake ppl up to two things, the way the world is, the matrix so to speak, the starving and war torn people who are being sacrificed by the elite mystery school creeps, etc. Also, for knowledge that they are thinking in limited ways, there have always been choices. Ie, the Venus Project, etc, no one has to live like this.

2) we made their corporations and econmic system, we can unmake it. Ie., in groups in the community, especially getting the out of work together, sitting down, encouraging communication from the poor, for they are the most aware and affected, don't exclude them, include the poor. Talk, meet up, find and make a list of the most important businesses, services and products. Then network and fund raise to start up small businesses that are ethical and grass roots and stop buying from teh pyramid monopolies, only from each other, buy, trade, teach other to grow food, and create energy devices in your back yards, take in single parents kids, teenagers who would be out causing mahem and instead, teach them to build, ham radios, telescopes, infared, solar panels, generators, solar ovens, greenhouses, and even more exotic projects, FREE ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM. make it grass roots, so on one can take it away from the people, spread it everywhere including in the third world, get groups going.

Also, think water devices, desaltination, home grown solutions, back yard solutions, for everything, start educating and getting hands on projects. Mod kits for cars, conversion to electric, water run cars, cars that run on electric an alchohol. Build distilleries and use fallen debris to make free or inexpensive alchohol to run even cleaner cars, that can switched to electric for all town use, trucks, or deisel, that can run on peanut oil.

Think out of the box. As our businesses, which don't even need to emphasize money, but can be exchanges, and only make enough for taxes and a little put aside for emergencies until we are so aware we never vote for them again and can manage our own systems.

SELF SUFFICENCY FROM THE GRASSROOTS LEVELS UP, and watch their businesses and banks fall.

3)spread it, live it, love everyone. Whenever a new movement stops to hate on someone, be it the mexicans, or the middle east, stop, its a trick, send love and light, write in and denounce the leaders to the leaders and tell them alwys, every week write and tell them you choose a world of peace, free energy, full disclosure, end of starvation and land/mineral owndership, and how fired they are.

We can change the world, its in our hands in our communities. Lets do it!

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Unity_99]

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very good. i only hope that after reading my thread you are as inspired as i am by reading your post. your beliefs are yours, but your philosophy of peace is what i wrote this for. thank you so much for this constructiveness and objectiveness. if everyone on ats was like this, we wouldnt be in this situ.

a link to your alluded-to thread would be appreciated.

go in peace, and fight