RELIEF WELLS NEAR COMPLETION in the face of Methane/Oil SUPER ARMAGEDDON

My hope is that they actually intersect the well on the first try. If not, they have to fill it in and start over. Someone stated that this is like performing surgery from another room by holding the tools with chopsticks.

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Curio

 

Yup, no doomsday is a real problem for ATS.

It is a bit like newspapers - good news is not news.

Sorta like how you never hear about the thousands of cops doing their jobs without incident -- only the ones that screw up catastrophically?

"Cop found doing job quite admirably," just isn't as attention grabbing as "Cop shoots unarmed civilian." Just try and imagine the sheer numbers of the former going unnoticed.

Sometimes, I wonder if the world really is as bad as the news says it is when you start factoring the sheer volume of humans on the planet.

I bit off topic, I digress, but pertinent to this aspect of the discussion.

Originally posted by SassyCat
if prize for plugging the well and cleaning the gulf would be most powerful weapon technology in the galaxy, it would be done within days.

Sad but very true!

Nuking is not good. Read this that the restriction on radiation reporting after Chernobyl have only just been lifted in Scotland.

I know this would be underground, but all the same I don't much like the idea.

It's interesting that in the MSM, they keep reporting that we're "only so many weeks away from the relief wells", trying to brainwash everyone into thinking that this is GOING to work.

Even BP have said that the relief well represents the "best chance" and they haven't guaranteed this will work.

My thought s are this - if this doesn't work - what's next?

I think its freakin hilarious anyone is listening/believing anything BP says. Its an utter joke. I dont care what cool colorful graphs they put up. Its not gonna work because they dont want it to.

Originally posted by babybunnies
My thought s are this - if this doesn't work - what's next?

Which was my thoughts as well. You can pretty much guarantee that they will seriously consider the nuke however if the relief wells fail.

Looking on the brighter side, if they manage to get the cap on the top and the heavy mud stems the flow, maybe the top cap can be closed?

At the end of the day failure to stop the flow, provided it is still contained within the well bore, just means that they will need to continue collections and increase them as necessary to meet the flow.

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
I think its freakin hilarious anyone is listening/believing anything BP says. Its an utter joke. I dont care what cool colorful graphs they put up. Its not gonna work because they dont want it to.

I am not sure that I follow your logic there. Why would they, meaning BP, not want it to work?

As it stands they are in for copping a huge compensation bill which may or may not bankrupt them. As a company they must wish to mitigate that circumstance as I cannot imagine that the company wants to commit corporate suicide.

Now if you are saying that they, meaning the US government, does not want it to then perhaps you have a point..........but I am not quite sure what it is.

Edit: This might be interesting for you to read and does not suggest that BP wishes to commit suicide. Key roles and responsibilities of IOCs in an age of uncertainty

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reply to post by PuterMan


I hope all you BP apologist will be taking your vacations to the Gulf Coasts to help out with the cleanup efforts or at least help with your dollars to jump start the tourist economy that has suffered an Armageddon for businesses that depend on tourism.

And changing the title of the OP to generate flags and stars seems tacky and lame.



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reply to post by PuterMan


The progress of the relief well drilling is deceptive. It's "easy" to plow through the sea floor, it's hard to hit the bullseye that is the existing well shaft. I appreciate your optimism but I would not say they are "nearing completion" just because BP's graphic shows them getting close to the most difficult part of the endeavor.

reply to post by PuterMan


Fine...S&F....

But I think you should add the percentage of this actualy working into the OP.

The chances of this working are so low that it will be damn near an act of God if this works on the first try.

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by PuterMan

 

I hope all you BP apologist will be taking your vacations to the Gulf Coasts to help out with the cleanup efforts or at least help with your dollars to jump start the tourist economy that has suffered an Armageddon for people that depend on tourism.

And changing the title of the OP to generate flags and stars seems tacky and lame.


[edit on 2-7-2010 by whaaa]

First of all I am NOT under any circumstances a BP apologist. There is nothing in this thread that suggests that I am and I have not stated anywhere that I am in favour of BP. I would suggest that before you come on a thread and make unfounded accusations that you read the thread, and it's purpose.

This leads me to the second point you make.

Yes I changed the title as was suggested to me because it was about to sink and I considered that the information was important. If you seriously consider that I am the least bit interested in flags and stars then it seems apparent to me that you have no real concept of what ATS is about which as far as I am concerned is

• Denying ignorance
  
• Disseminating information
  
• Promulgating educational material for the benefit of others
  
• And of course learning form others
  

It would seem that perhaps you had best examine your own motives for being on ATS and posting before making unwarranted attacks on others.

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reply to post by PuterMan


im going to read your link now. to answer your question i dont think the government wants it to stop. it seems like every major disaster comes a new bill or law. I hope to God this works and the gusher stops, but i dont think its just the well that is leaking. I think there are cracks in the seafloor and not only oil is leaking but also methane and who knows what else. The relief wells working is like throwing darts and hitting the bullseye first try. Say it does work, we are still facing however many millions of gallons of oil and dispersants that are floating around in the gulf. The damage is done and i just dont see a whole lot of effort in even cleaning up what has already leaked. this whole situation scares the hell out of me.

reply to post by whaaa


So, he's a "BP Apologist" because he asked for some kind of REASON why BP would 'want' this to happen?

I love how you people attack anyone who disagrees with your pre-conceived world-view as some sort of 'apologist' or 'shill'.

reply to post by Curio


Wasnt it reported that the first relief well already missed its mark?? I will be checking my sources and reply.

reply to post by PuterMan


This is exactly the type of news I like to hear. Us fixing our mistakes, now if we could only learn from them...

thanks for the info, hears to holdin our breaths...

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
reply to post by PuterMan

 

i dont think the government wants it to stop. it seems like every major disaster comes a new bill or law.

Probably true

I think there are cracks in the seafloor and not only oil is leaking but also methane and who knows what else.

The probability is that oil and/or gas seepage is from higher levels. If the well is stopped at 16,000 ft that will hopefully stop the incidental escapes.

The relief wells working is like throwing darts and hitting the bullseye first try.

Yes, but it is a magnetic bullseye and can be located.

Say it does work, we are still facing however many millions of gallons of oil and dispersants that are floating around in the gulf. The damage is done and i just dont see a whole lot of effort in even cleaning up what has already leaked.

Yes much damage is done and sadly so many birds and much marine like will suffer. I do think that the effort will be put in even if only because this i now such a public spectacle.

I'm as mad as anybody at BP and am also sad, deeply sad about the effects of this as they've already manifested and how they will continue to throughout the coming years - and it will be years even if they stop it tomorrow. On the other hand, I don't take anything our OP has said as "apologist" and it would have to be a good deal more obfuscating than anything he has said to get me to that point. Information is what's being discussed and shared here and if a BP guy came on gave us some I think we should thank them and at worst give them a message to pass on to their bosses. Let's try and keep the flaming for the methane and not turn it on each other. We're just trying to turn on the lights in this dark, dark hall.

It would be extremely well for the relief wells to be properly drilled the first try. A nuke option isnt a bad one. People don't understand a nuke explosion is the equivalent of a pop-snap to the earth.

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Originally posted by bourbon2nite
reply to post by Curio

 

Wasnt it reported that the first relief well already missed its mark?? I will be checking my sources and reply.

I had not seen that reported. Do you have a source for that?

I am assuming that the second well is still good however.

I am not sure that the first well is close enough yet to have 'missed' so I would be very interested in your findings.

reply to post by JohnnyElohim

I appreciate your optimism but I would not say they are "nearing completion" just because BP's graphic shows them getting close to the most difficult part of the endeavor.

Not nit picking but at the end of the day the only information we have as regards this comes from BP. I have the three graphics issued and each shows a further advance. Under the assumption that these are correct then the first well is close.

reply to post by Izarith


Percentage change of hitting the target?

I really don't know the answer to that. Hitting a pipe 9 inches across about three miles down? Should be a breeze - not!! It amazes me that they can contemplate it at all.

Edit: Just found this site - Deepwater Horizon Response Unified Command

A whois lists the site owners as PIER Systems, Inc.
1319 Cornwall Ave.
Suite 200
Bellingham, Washington 98225
United States

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