Is it a glitch in the Matrix?

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by superluminal11

 

Ohhhh trust me this not the only stupid thread. However as i pointed out in one of my other posts, this one could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia to read.

Any thread on ATS could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia. Get off your high horse and make an actual argument rather than spouting "they are crazy ... this post is dangerous" over and over.

reply to post by craposaurus


I am getting annoyed now, if you bothered to go and read my other posts you will see i have made valid points.

if you had dreams when you are awake, is that like Schizophrenia? what are dreams? is it the mind trying to put the world in order? does the mind of a sane! man put the world in to a order you can understand? and a mad man see it all at the same time?

are the rest of us short sighted?

reply to post by buddha


If you dream when you're awake, that's a daydream. If you dream when you're awake and can't escape the dream, that's schizophrenia!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by craposaurus

 

I am getting annoyed now, if you bothered to go and read my other posts you will see i have made valid points.

You have yet to make a single valid argument against the OP. Have you spouted off a bunch of sensational bull crap? Yep. Have you mocked the OP and made it a point to say how stupid this thread is time and time again? Yep.

I am sorry but implying that you were on suicide watch for someone who sliced themselves up during a bout of schizophrenia isn't a valid argument against the OP. It is meaningless and irrelevant in the context of this thread.

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
WARNING: This may be uninteresting to most of you but it is important to me.

So I’ve been watching parts of the matrix and it occurred to me that perhaps schizophrenics are experiencing a glitch in their matrix. Instead of experiencing nothing out of the ordinary as most people or 99% of the population does we have experiences that are bizarre and out of this world. Of course people have odd experiences but not of this kind.

When I experienced my first episode there was a singularity about it that I cannot explain accurately to those who have not been there. All through my life I’ve experienced these glitches, I’ve had gut instincts about things that were going to happen before they happened. And in my first episode of schizophrenia the events were overshadowed by something more powerful than I can contemplate. I’ve heard (yes, I actually heard it) and seen a footprint in a stream of water flowing through a gutter with no one around, I’ve seen five Indians in a hallucination, I’ve heard what sounds like demons talking to me, I’ve also heard brilliant music in my head and snippets of intellectual conversations that I could not fathom on my own consciously. Where do these things come from?!?!?!? I want to be as intelligent as the people holding the conversations in my head or at least hear more than snippets of their conversations.

What do you think? Do you believe schizophrenic individuals are experiencing some kind of glitch in the matrix? I’m interested to know your opinions.

Thank you for your future thoughtful reply.

First, I hope your analogy to the matrix is just that... An anology.
This kind of hypothesis isn't helpful in your case (in anyone's for that matter), IMO.
We may not know "reality" but to PRESUME that what we experience/live/see/touch/hear/learn through science is ALL an illusion doesnt help in any way.

Second, so you have sound and image "hallucinations", meaning you see and hear things that nobody else can. Did you ever meet other people diagnosed with schyzophrenia, did you both experienced the same phenomena? Were you truthfull about your accounts of both your hallucinations?
If you never met others diagnosed like you, you should give it a try. I think it could be enriching for you.

But you should come up with a kind of protocol for it to be useful.
Try to know about the person experiences and "symptoms" before to empathize (and become non-objective). Because there is not ONE schizophrenia but many. Then, when you seemingly experience an hallucination with another "schizo" around you, make him/her describe what he/she sees/hears before to say anything. Then compare with/share your own.

You could feel less alone... or more it would depend on the "experience" result. But that would NOT mean that you're a "lost case" at all. It wouldnt necessary mean you're really hallucinating.

More to your concern, I think you're trying to ask if it's possible that what is diagnosized as "hallucinations" could be a form of enhanced perception.
Well, to know that you would have to eliminate ALL other possibilities... Is it possible? Dunno...

What I know is that psychoanalist (NOT a PSYCHIATRIST, not a Jugian: too mystic, but a Freudian) could help you, through analysis, find the possible cause of your hallucinations.

You should be sure there is no psychological reasons for your symptoms.
Our mind is very powerful and have control (via the brain) over our body, not the other way around.

IMO, there are NO mental disease as a projection (mind) cannot get sick.
Very few are from physical origin. They seem to be as we can percieve physical effects (via brain imagery for example). But IMO they are not the cause but effects due to our conflicted mind "miscontrollinging" our body.

There would be A LOT to talk about but there are my first thoughts...
Hope to have been helpful...

[edit on 1-7-2010 by Project_USA]

reply to post by kevinunknown


Dude
why are you still here?
This thread is for crazy people, so leave already

reply to post by LightofLiberty


Please take this post in the peaceful, kind and concerned manner in which it is intended.

You say you have schizophrenia and you appear to be thinking some very odd thoughts, possibly some grandious delusions as you seem to think you are "special" in a very odd way. You should talk to your doctor because this may be the start of a bad episode and you may need your medication adjusting. I'm not a doctor but i have worked with people who have mental conditions and catching things early, having the meds adjusted slightly is far better than waiting until it's to late.

All the best.

reply to post by LightofLiberty


A theory exists that connects this and other "mental illness" with the return of lucifer and the fallen ones (whatever your beliefs, i use this example to convey the end time change we are all interested in on this site). My understanding is that there are some human beings that are "fit for extension" or "fit for possession" by these demons or extra dimentional beings. Think of the theory that inebriation allows for sensitivity to ghosts. Whether it is TPTB who are controlling the intentional poisoning of the population or if its the God of the bible who's plan is on track, the idea is that the return would more likely be through the flesh of man than a manifestation or release of giant monsters. Those that can follow this will understand, sorry to the rest.

P.S. I don't think I'm mentally ill.

Originally posted by Archirvion
As a scientist and a psychologist i am simply forced to inform you that your post has no roots. There is no connection at all. I would advice professional help.

Get well soon.

Based upon the backhanded contempt inherent within the very wording of the response itself, and the fact that you responded at all (and with a brief, canned, blurb no less) to someone who has professed to be schizophrenic on-line means one of two things:

1. (And this, in my opinion is the most likely) You're not a psychologist at all. Anyone who would attempt to throw their educated authority around based on an online post is A. not much of a scientist at all. And B. A bully. Also, when you are speaking of something as complex as behavior most trained professionals in your claimed field would be much more careful with so little information. For these reasons, I doubt you are what you claim to be. I doubt it alot.

2. You are exactly what you say. Which would be sad, and scary. Again, initiating such a contempt ridden response based on so little information is rather supportive of the assertion that many people are drawn to the 'mental health professions' because they need to sort out their own heads. Too many aren't succesful, and some in fact come out worse than they came in. I don't know if you are in either category for certain, it's just something to think about... However, you have demonstrated that you have poor judgement, and (possibly) all of the ethical professionalism of a rabid hyena.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by LightofLiberty

 

The comments I am making are valid, someone has to point out how wrong and stupid this thread and threads like it really are. If you have a problem with me disagreeing with you, you can go and cry to the mods.

Talk about 'delusions of grandeur'. Good grief.

Please see the above response and do yourself (and the patients you work with) a favor, and take note of the bit about 'people being drawn to the mental health profession because they need to sort out their own heads.'

Oh... And the part about 'ethical professionalism of a rabid hyena' as well.

To both of you...

Get well soon.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by redhorse]

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by LightofLiberty

 

The comments I am making are valid, someone has to point out how wrong and stupid this thread and threads like it really are. If you have a problem with me disagreeing with you, you can go and cry to the mods.

Dude.....c'mon......you don't know #!

The comment that this thread is wrong and stupid is NOT valid......it is some brainwashed knee jerk response for something your brain can't handle........

Just deal with the fact that you (or anybody else for that matter) KNOWS NOTHING!!!

Just like people "knew" the world was flat.......or that they "knew" that the universe was created in 6 days 6000 years ago.

Time for you to jump off your "I Know" highchair and open your eyes, mind and heart to new and differing thoughts about your IDEAS about your reality.

Cause all we have is ideas man........

"Life itself is only a vision. A dream. Nothing exists, save empty space and you. And you... are but a thought" - Mark Twain

reply to post by LightofLiberty


I feel i owe you a “thoughtful reply”

First off let me apologise for any offence i caused in my first response, it was not directed at you rather the idea that schizophrenia is a “glitch in the matrix”. After that original post all my other posts have been aimed at people who are agreeing with you or in some way elaborating and giving justification to what you are saying. I do not think of the matrix as any more than a really good sci-fi movie with some average acting.

In relation to schizophrenia, i do not know the details of your case and cannot comment on it other than to advise perhaps you speak to someone who is dealing with your case. I do wish you all the best of luck and know many service users who are living with schizophrenia who lead very normal life’s. Its is also a testament to your strong character that you have the confidence to discuss this aspect of your live on a public forum. However I think the Ideas that you are putting across in you OP could be dangerous for other people living with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. More so however the justifications and elaborations made by other members I, as i see it, pose more of a danger, to put it bluntly they are not qualified to make assumptions about schizophrenia.

reply to post by LightofLiberty


yeah, some people just like to think flat, no deeper inside the matrix ..... it's a pitty but we have to live with this .....
as I see it and as I think about it : our consciousness ( C. ) is in another dimension, it is a global C. and each one of us has a brain that keeps on contact with this C. and keeps our bodies alive and thinking.
When we die, our part of C. gets back to its source and we live up there in harmony with the global C.
So, about schizo, and other " madness " except the ones resulting from alcoholism or drugs, I really think it is all about a fine tuning, like a radio, into the global C.: normally you have no interferences with other individual C.'s but in this cases the individual brain taps into information from others and hears voices or feels agressivity, or has sensual feelings that are not " normal " ..
So yes, I really think it is a question of fine tuning the brain so it does not longer " hear or feel " other vibrations than its own ones .... peace.

I love that Psychologists get lambasted for claiming to know certain things through years of research and studying, while a couple of new agers who just finished watching the matrix think their theory about schizophrenia is just as valid, complete and utter trash, really.
Suggesting to schizophrenics that their disease is some sort of glitch in reality is really terrible and destructive behavior for some.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

Originally posted by Project_USA

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
WARNING: This may be uninteresting to most of you but it is important to me.

So I’ve been watching parts of the matrix and it occurred to me that perhaps schizophrenics are experiencing a glitch in their matrix. Instead of experiencing nothing out of the ordinary as most people or 99% of the population does we have experiences that are bizarre and out of this world. Of course people have odd experiences but not of this kind.

When I experienced my first episode there was a singularity about it that I cannot explain accurately to those who have not been there. All through my life I’ve experienced these glitches, I’ve had gut instincts about things that were going to happen before they happened. And in my first episode of schizophrenia the events were overshadowed by something more powerful than I can contemplate. I’ve heard (yes, I actually heard it) and seen a footprint in a stream of water flowing through a gutter with no one around, I’ve seen five Indians in a hallucination, I’ve heard what sounds like demons talking to me, I’ve also heard brilliant music in my head and snippets of intellectual conversations that I could not fathom on my own consciously. Where do these things come from?!?!?!? I want to be as intelligent as the people holding the conversations in my head or at least hear more than snippets of their conversations.

What do you think? Do you believe schizophrenic individuals are experiencing some kind of glitch in the matrix? I’m interested to know your opinions.

Thank you for your future thoughtful reply.

First, I hope your analogy to the matrix is just that... An anology.
This kind of hypothesis isn't helpful in your case (in anyone's for that matter), IMO.
We may not know "reality" but to PRESUME that what we experience/live/see/touch/hear/learn through science is ALL an illusion doesnt help in any way.
...............

[edit on 1-7-2010 by Project_USA]

Erm, have you studied topics like the holographic nature of the universe? In my opinion, the matrix is not too far off from reality, and the science which governs it. The fact that you dismiss the hypothesis out right(not the conclusion, but the hypothesis itself!) seems like your the one making the presumptions. For you to "PRESUME" that your physical reality completely real and not made up of illusions doesn't help anyone either. You can just as easily drive yourself crazy or into depression with fear of death if you only going to assume your reality is purely a product of the physical.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by CREAM]

[edit on 1-7-2010 by CREAM]

Originally posted by craposaurus

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by superluminal11

 

Ohhhh trust me this not the only stupid thread. However as i pointed out in one of my other posts, this one could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia to read.

Any thread on ATS could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia. Get off your high horse and make an actual argument rather than spouting "they are crazy ... this post is dangerous" over and over.

Brilliant!
So instead of them being horrified by the realities of this world, they have to be attacked with crazy ideas about their own mental disorders?

Regardless of everyone's opinion on the connection, whether there be one or not, throwing insults and being perched on a high horse "because you're a doctor" gives you no extra credibility on the internet, especially since the Docs are the ones prescribing us the medications that make these conditions worse.

Originally posted by Goddy
Regardless of everyone's opinion on the connection, whether there be one or not, throwing insults and being perched on a high horse "because you're a doctor" gives you no extra credibility on the internet, especially since the Docs are the ones prescribing us the medications that make these conditions worse.

Yes it does.
If you've studied the mind for 20 years, you know alot more about the mind than some kid who just finished watching the matrix, and I will trust their opinions over that kids.
That's why people who usually test anti-cancer drugs are pharmocologists and not nutritionists or shamans.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by craposaurus

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by superluminal11

 

Ohhhh trust me this not the only stupid thread. However as i pointed out in one of my other posts, this one could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia to read.

Any thread on ATS could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia. Get off your high horse and make an actual argument rather than spouting "they are crazy ... this post is dangerous" over and over.

Brilliant!
So instead of them being horrified by the realities of this world, they have to be attacked with crazy ideas about their own mental disorders?

Can we please refrain from calling each other, and each others ideas "crazy" in this thread?!?!

Please, its insulting, while it may sound like fantasy talk to you, please respect that a majority of the responses in this thread are very serious. No one here thinks this is some sort of game, no matter which side of the fence your on...

[edit on 1-7-2010 by CREAM]

[edit on 1-7-2010 by CREAM]

Originally posted by CREAM

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by craposaurus

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by superluminal11

 

Ohhhh trust me this not the only stupid thread. However as i pointed out in one of my other posts, this one could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia to read.

Any thread on ATS could be very dangerous for a person living with schizophrenia. Get off your high horse and make an actual argument rather than spouting "they are crazy ... this post is dangerous" over and over.

Brilliant!
So instead of them being horrified by the realities of this world, they have to be attacked with crazy ideas about their own mental disorders?

Can we please refrain from calling each other, and each others ideas "crazy" in this thread?!?!

Please, its insulting, while it may sound like fantasy talk to you, please respect that a majority of the responses in this thread are very serious. No one here thinks this is some sort of game...

[edit on 1-7-2010 by CREAM]

No, not when the idea could lead to very dangerous actions, I won't take back that the idea is crazy. Peoples wellbeing is more important than peoples feelings behind hurt.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by hippomchippo]