Is it a glitch in the Matrix?

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I thank you for your comments before on page 9,I had one persecutory voice for 6 months that would vivisect any stray thought I had, I got to hate this so much I learnt not to have any stray thoughts, I can do buddhist meditation ignoring the voices and not have any stray thoughts for minutes on end having said this I would not undertake any guided meditations by any adept or any contraversial spiritual practices guided by another,the skills a schizophrenic learns to deal with things are largely self taught,I do not trust anyone else other than myself in such matters I have seen to many wrecked by religion in mental hospitals in my time for it to be otherwise.

Like many, I also look at schizophrenia more as a mystery than as an illness.

Some of the schizophrenic people are frightened of it and we want to help them, thus medication. Some of the schizophrenic people may appear dangerous to themselves or to others, thus medication. As aforementioned people can be frightening and unpredictable to other people, thus their medication. To live side by side with other people, for the well-being of everyone, it'd be essential to keep harmony.

Instead of medication, if the featured person wishes, he or she should be allowed to meet and learn about the ability. We don't have any system that would do or allow this. (?) Perhaps there are voluntary schizophrenics in mental hospitals without medication under study ? ..I guess that could be a start. Of course this kind of development would feed their ability, and perhaps many of them would not be able to live in the streets in the kind of harmony that we currently would want to require. Different kind of moderated environments may be needed etc..

The point is, that even if we changed the attitudes, it may not be so simple. Perhaps many have changed their attitude in their minds, but as the road is long, they keep silent.

A vid from Terence McKenna how culture restricts us :

www.youtube.com...


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he or she should be allowed to meet and learn about the ability.

I like the fact that you call it an 'ability' rather than a disability.

If we look at it this way- rather than in a negative light, we might actually get somewhere and learn something.

Sometimes, we just need to change our perspective on something to be able to make sense of it.

I got to go to sleep but will try to post up tomorrow with my thoughts. This is the best thread ever. If we dont figure out how we think why should we even care why we are on this planet.

It seems that nearly everyone one this thread has read my first post, without understanding that i am mocking the idea that schizophrenia is a “glitch in the matrix” . Most of the stuff that has come my way is offensive and entirely unfair, read my other posts they are valid points.

Now for a point i didn’t want to publicly make in respect of the OP however I think it has became important to make due to the popularity of this thread. Everyone one here who is giving justification and elaboration to the OP are fuelling the parodied delusions of someone who may be going through a psychotic schizophrenic episode. This is wrong and i would go as far to say dangerous. Schizophrenia is a horrible disease to live through, as i am sure the OP can confirm. It is not evidence of any “matrix”, “higher power” or “psychic abilities” stop treating it as such based on nothing more than pseudoscience and half hearted attempts at expelling that which most of you do not understand.

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I couldn't agree more!

People seem to be taking this poor fella's condition very lightly and are ignorant to the affects their words could potentially have on a vulnerable and possibly delusonal person. If something happens tho the OP, the press would have a field day with this thread! It's happened before!

Originally posted by Pinke
Einstien I *think* it was made a formula to show that time moves relatively faster as you get older because you've experienced more of it. As I've got older I feel things have got faster.

Not sure I agree with the sentiments in this thread. If you liken being schizophrenic etc to be closer with reality or seeing other parts of reality ... Then you likely think drugs have the same effect. I've had a few druggie friends I grew up with ... they're not closer to reality.

I definitely agree with the time thing...it makes for some cool reading (the books on the subject). But on the "they're not closer to reality" thing...humans evolved with eyes that see things in a certain light, and in a certain way. We could have evolved with eyes that see everything in red and wavy (moving). If we had...then is our reality red and wavy or is what we see now reality? I know it is only vision, but paired with time, etc...it gets quite interesting.

Not to get biblical, but I had read something about God giving up on mankind and had basically "wiped us out" or something like that was written. One thought, back to the time thing is...if God exists and is forever, then God's life-span is also forever. So in the scheme of things, thousands of years ago, God could have destroyed mankind once and for all. But...since we view time differently than a being that lives forever, God sees it as we died in the blink of an eye (or a wave of the hand)...but for us...its just taking thousands of what we call, years. All perception.

Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE

Originally posted by Pinke


Not to get biblical, but I had read something about God giving up on mankind and had basically "wiped us out" or something like that was written. One thought, back to the time thing is...if God exists and is forever, then God's life-span is also forever. So in the scheme of things, thousands of years ago, God could have destroyed mankind once and for all. But...since we view time differently than a being that lives forever, God sees it as we died in the blink of an eye (or a wave of the hand)...but for us...its just taking thousands of what we call, years. All perception.

that is an interesting point of view! never considered it like that before

2nd line

~TR~

Originally posted by kevinunknown
It seems that nearly everyone one this thread has read my first post, without understanding that i am mocking the idea that schizophrenia is a “glitch in the matrix” . Most of the stuff that has come my way is offensive and entirely unfair, read my other posts they are valid points.

Just so you don't feel too slighted, misunderstood and ignored... Rest assured, I read all of your posts before responding to you, this time or the other.

While I understand your concern over possibly creating an ultimately episode-exaserbating feedback loop for the OPster, (and I must admit... This may be valid, which is why I haven't ventured an opinion on the topic directly) your own approach in expressing this concern is little better, and quite probably even worse, in that regard. A schizophrenic episode can be later coped with as unfortunate chemistry... Grinding away at such a persons seld asteem can have more lasting effects and cause emotional stress that can contribute to later episodes.

I don't know if what I would have to say on the matrix topic could be helpful or harmful, but I KNOW that what you are doing is harmful; and since you are indicating that you feel you are psychologically stable, I will call you out on it... Gloves off... Where others can see.

'Tough Love', or even I guess 'Tough Concern' is all well and good, but is too often an instinctive and popular refuge for the psyche of a bully... Along with 'but I was only kidding', and 'I didn't mean them personally/that way/etc...' You're manifesting two outta three here at least, and I'm willing to call a spade a spade, or an emotional thug a thug.

Regardless of what you are telling yourself about the intent of your responses, the way that you have shown contempt for the thread also manifests as contempt for the poster him/herself.

For example, saying a thread is stupid is a (slightly) oblique (and really sneaky) personal attack, but still a personal attack; and when you add in that the thread itself may (or may not) be a manifestation or result of a 'mental illness' your ascerbicness is exponentially irresponsible, and frankly just mean.

If you cannot see how your bull-in-a-china-shop approach here is harmful to someone who may be in a delicate psychological state I frankly cringe at the thought of you working with the mentally ill on a regular basis. I hope that isn't the case. However, because you indicated that you do work with the mentally ill, I responded.

On another note, schizophrenia is a spectrum brain disorder, and a broad spectrum at that. It manifests very differently, to different degrees in different people. I don't know the extent of your experience, or the circumstances but I'm beginning to suspect it is rather more limited than you would like to admit. In short, some people, even highly trained professionals in the field of mental health do not hold the same perspective that you do on schizophrenia. Get over it.

On another, more personal (cause lord, no sense denying it, you've pi**ed me right off), note: In my opinion it's a rather hypocritical, really irritating and frankly silly behavior to fire off a bunch of insults and then whine about 'unfair' and 'offensive' when everyone crawls up your A**.

Although... you've done a fair job of back peddling since the thread became 'so popular.' It's an interesting response to social pressure that I think is worth noting. It fits the above mentioned behavioral pattern as well.

In other words... If you don't like it... Go cry to the mods. Now where have I head that before... Lemme think.

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Thanks for the response, Murtzmaug.

I originally thought that it was dream related, but this often happens when i'm in bed for hours trying to fall asleep.

And I am always shooting for lucidity in my dreams, and when I find it, I can't help but fly. Once I realize I'm dreaming, I usually begin floating and can't get back to the ground.

Great idea with keeping a journal. I've tried to keep a dream journal, but find it nearly impossible to remember to write them down when I wake up in the middle of the night. These "visions" should be easy to document, as I'm never sleeping when they come to me.

And of course, it's probably just my brain messing with me.

Originally posted by nik1halo
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I couldn't agree more!

People seem to be taking this poor fella's condition very lightly and are ignorant to the affects their words could potentially have on a vulnerable and possibly delusonal person. If something happens tho the OP, the press would have a field day with this thread! It's happened before!

Nothing is going to happen to me. Once again, I am not a threat to myself or others. I am not going through a psychotic episode. Thanks for your concern.

Originally posted by old_ben_kenobi
I too experience the "intellectual conversations" in my head, but only when I'm laying in bed before falling asleep. For me, it's almost like falling asleep with the television on or hearing people talk in the background at a restaurant. I hear these voices and I know what they are saying, but as soon as I stop to actually listen to what they are saying, it's like my memory of what they were talking about is erased and I can no longer hear them. But many times the words they use are words I wouldn't even know how to properly use in a sentence. Also, the subject matter they discuss is usually something I never fully understand. And I understand how that explanation was somewhat contradictory, but I don't know how else to explain it.

Exactly! I'm glad someone else experiences this same thing. Thank you for speaking up and relating your experience.

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i advise you look this direction :

Factors that trigger both schizophrenic breaks and kundalini awakenings include circumstances of impossible dilemmas, double-binds, and avoidance/attraction etc... That is situations in which we cannot proceed in a logical-prefrontal manner, but which force us to spin our wheels and to experience angst, perplexity and frustration. Since energy is not utilized in a normal fashion it builds and leads to a psycho-energetic crisis—the energies of flight fight, having no resolution basically kick off either a psychotic breakdown or breakthrough—usually a bit of both. Koans, of course operate in a similar fashion to confound the normal rational thinking process leading to the overload of the nervous system and the sudden progress to a new level of awareness.
Symptoms of schizophrenia include: thought disorder, withdrawal-retardation, hallucination, estrangement, psychosis, sensory gating deficits, voices, delusions, obsession, paranoia, feels out of time, out of space, loss of body boundaries, and non-existent as a person.


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After an awakening we become psychosomatically differentiated from the images, symbols, myths, stories and personal identity that we were so involved in before. Thus consciousness has become separated from its contents. Perhaps this is the difference between a schizophrenic and a mystic. The mystic has become emancipated from the persuasions of psychic content, while the schizophrenic has become lost in them.

The perturbation and removal of normal consciousness and the consequent disruption of egoic-metaprogramming is not regression—it is not going backwards—but merely the removal of adaptive/repressive functioning in the present. This creates an entirely new consciousness that has never occurred in ones history, yet may have features similar to infantile being.

biologyofkundalini.com...

long read but very insightful

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

i cant get to the article but the extract looks good :

Two patients are described who had been diagnosed as schizophrenic, but had actually instead been going through spiritual crises, which in Eastern spiritual tradition are called raising the kundalini. Perhaps this experience is not a disease, but many--especially if not understood by oneself, the nearest relations and the medical profession--cause mental illness. In WHO ICD-10 the experience could be classified as F48.8, disordines neurotici specificati alii. The process falls outside the categories of both normal and psychotic. When allowed to progress to completion this process culminates in deep psychological balance, strength, and maturity.

that is to say you give crazy medecine to schyzophrenic people is like killing their soul and possibly losing a future genius (einstein, krishnamurti and so many have been through schyzophrenia)

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Well as a schizophrenic myself that has been to the bottom of the barrel I wouldn't worry about the OP too much,he is not communicating in a disjointed rambling diabribe,not complaining of consistent persecutory voices and not suffering too much in the visual disturbance department and can handle and process any information here,if he suddenly talks about aliens or CIA mind control wrapped around a delusional plot then you might worry.

I won't be responding on here for the weekend as I'm going to the lake for fourth of July. Celebrate your freedoms people!

im afraid i have to say i find this deeply insulting to persume such a serious heart breaking condition, which someone i know suffers from can be taken by someone liike you and turned into this mess, look this disorder is caused by a "glitch" as you call it in the human brain not functioning properly, nothing more or less, whats next telling me people with down syndrome are actually inplanted aliens from mars?

Originally posted by kevinunknown

 

I am not laughing at them I am laughing at the stupidity of this thread.

Shut it troll.
Morons fighting in forums ruins it for the rest of us that finds the topic interesting. If you disagree with this thread at least make a damn good reason to oppose with what the OP is posting and NOT "this thread is stooopid" and hang around.

I just want to shim in to say I find this thread very interesting and would like others to share their experiences like that of OP.

it not really a glitch it called channeling

some people are more advance of the gift (Mediums ) some have less! and some cant handle it and have the hallucinations
and not understand what there seeing I have had this all my life ! another name for is deja vu

The Realm of the Paranormal

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