Trying to understand something...

Hey ATS,

I wanted to post this a while back, but never got around to it. Still wondered about this topic and I didn't know where else to turn. I admit that I don't always enjoy this website, but anyway I'll give it a go if I am not attacked. lol
I wouldn't mind opinions is all.


So, I watched an interview with Michio Kaku.



At one point in particular he details how experts still argue about a certain paradox.
I suck at explaining you'd have to watch it.
At around the 6min mark on part 5 he starts going on about it.
You could probably tune in about part 6...



Sounds to me like he was eluding to parallel universes as a way of solving the paradox.
So like "everyone's looking at everyone and there's an unlimited amount of world/universes."

It must be somewhat parallel if he can say that there's two Elvis Presley's. One alive and one dead.

But, I get confused.

"Parallel of who" I ask?
So, does that mean I am in all of these universes?
But, yet from the perspective of a world in which I am never born...how can this one, in which I still alive today, be considered parallel?
You know what I mean?

Maybe it's only a grammtical thing I am complaining about.
What else would you call this besides parallel?

I don't know.
Also, Is it not arrogant to assume that the universe is filled up with ourselves?

I find myself back at square one when thinking about it all. If it's parallel then it's just a whole bunch of us...and in that case what's the point? And in my head it just might as well collapse back into one.

Please, don't yell at me. Educate me first. That would be nice of you.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Before2017Victor]

Well, now we're both completely confused. How could it be parallel if there are different people in both worlds. If a grandparent died, in one world, then the grandchild couldn't be in both either, would only exist on one world, and after the amount of time this world has been here, with life on it, life might not have even evolved in the same way.



How's that. Are you even more confused now?

Huh...
They shouldn't be called parallel but something else. Multi verse?
I am confused as well but I don't think that it is how he explains it.
Same universe but living in different frequencies sounds better, like a radio or TV signal, we can only see this channel.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Elieser]

It's much easier to think of it as just different universes, multi, with their own galaxies and such. But that doesn't work with the string theory of 11 different dimensions.

I think of the dimensions as mingled with ours, we just don't see them. I wouldn't even think of them as parallel. Who knows what might lurk around in them?

As soon as he starts talking about parallel type stuff, he completely loses me, it just sounds like a bunch of universes, which doesn't sound very quantum to me. Just more stuff out there. Interesting, but confusing.

Think of it as being 2-3-4-or more universes/realities. We exist in them, yet know not of each other. In this one, you didn't ask out the hot girl...in the other one, you did and married her.

There you have kids, and because you gained confidence...you got the smokin' job and the big money...here, you are just Joe average...or maybe it's the other way around.

Maybe in the other alternate universe...Hitler won WWII and your alterate dude is now speaking German...

Hey, I suggest a 6 pack, a pizza, and watch some of the old Star Trek episodes..the good stuff with William Shatner. That's all the multiverse you need to know.

Sometimes I think that theoretical physics is a clearinghouse for ideas that guys with PhD's come up with while they're drinking and the first one to hurry and get the thing published gets to go on the lecture circuit and maybe get a book deal out of it.

Of course there's no way to prove or disprove any of it, and it's not like these guys insist that what they're suggesting is true, and yet they show up on Discovery Channel documentaries with some of these unproveable notions as though these are widely accepted, peer reviewed theories - which they aren't.

The big news on AOL yesterday was a thesis (400 pages) written by an academic who stated that it can't be definitively proven that Jesus actually was nailed to a cross, as opposed to some other physical structure. 400 pages as a thesis on something that takes about ten minutes to establish. The fact that he simply suggests - and doesn't even prove - that the kind of structure that Jesus died on can't be proven, is almost ludicrous - except that this is what academia looks and sounds like, and that isn't all that funny when you think about it.

I guess that as long as some guy can get his PhD and maybe a book deal then it's all good.

I appreciate the posts so far very much.

Seems we're all a little confused.

Does the multiverse have just a hint of wishful thinking from some of these experts? lol

I mean...how can they know that Elvis is still out there? Where's the proof/evidence? Is this idea possible?

I like the idea of multiverse...eventhough it doesn't answer anything really. But, it seems these experts are still making stuff up.
I find, in general, that people are good at that. lol

parallel universes are the result of science's addiction to mechanical processes. Quantum Mechanics (emphasis on mechanics).

science is uncomfortable with the idea of (for lack of a better word) spontaneity. nothing in the universe can happen in a "discontinuous" process. by discontinuous, i mean that it springs up from seemingly no-where, and is unrelated to whatever comes before or afterward.

as an example of a discontinuous process, you can study your own consciousness, which most people agree is totally spontaneous and at will.

but in science, one thing must follow the next in a predictable way. science is all about predictability. from A to B to C....etc. totally continuous. billiard balls bouncing around and all that. (i do not mean to be too harsh in my critisism of science. it is what it is.)


so this idea of parallel universes comes about as a result of science attempting to define a discontinuous process in terms of the continuous terminology. this is accomplished with the following statement:

"if we cannot predict a particle's future state, then ALL of its possible future states must exist at once."

when we make this statement, then we no longer have to deal with the possibility of the particle itself behaving in an apparently intelligent fashion. we explain away the intelligent principle by stating that the particle is merely moving from A to B to C.



the irony of it is that most people would want to believe that quantum mechanics is attempting to support a somewhat mystical worldview.

quite to the contrary.

scientists invented quantum mechanics because they recognize the seemingly mystical nature of reality....and are trying to explain it away!

let me rephrase that for emphasis: quantum mechanics does not support an intelligent or spiritual point of view. quantum mechanics attempts to suck the intelligence right out of it! emphasis on: MECHANICS!

Victor, Victor, Victor,
First you must relize their is only One, the dualality, multiplicty, all came from the One, the One is the unknowable, is very complex, ourhuman mind will never comprehend this One.
Now as you begin to relize and over come your egos, when you look at others you can see your self looking thru their eyes, feel the compasion, that is in your heart for we are all Truly One.
Even with these multiverses, it would still be Victors at different levels, it's all what makes the universes go round.
The Nothing would be very Boring, but as things are, all is very well planned out, you have to climb back up the ladder, all the clues are there for you.
You are already there though you are not aware, your higher self waits for you and will help you along the way.
BUt Victor to answer your question, become the very best Victor you can be, then all will be revealed.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by googolplex]

Something occurred to me the other day when I was listning to a athest,someone ask him ask him a question, as to a God intelligence created the Universe.
Where as the Athest said, well the universe has not been around long enough to prove that intelligence was possible, this guy crack me UP. how much time do yo want I Am Alpha and Omega.
Which I indorse The Big Bang, which would equate to Multiple Bangs, and still fall in line with string theory, Time nolonger apearing to matter, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, infinitesmal Bangs, Bangs somany that everthing that could happen has aready occurred, your Multiverse.

And just for reminder The Creator is Greator that Everything in the Universes Combined.

The Grace, Glory, and The Truth, of the Creator is Upon You, Align self with that which IS.

^ I am an Atheist. -__-

Though I don't always agree with everything mainstream science says.

I have to say that you're restating the question...
what created the creator? lol
Why stop there?
And don't tell me you have a personnal relationship with this creator...if indeed "he's" something our human minds cannot comprehend.

I'll just keep on trying to be a good person.
So much confusion...so much information...and more confusion.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Before2017Victor]

reply to post by Before2017Victor
Sorry but the Creator is neither He or She, and would not comprehend terms Good or Bad.

reply to post by googolplex


I didn't know that...to many people they think of the creator as he as indicated by their sacred text.

I ask you does this creator understand the word best?
Cause you told me to become the best Victor I can be.



[edit on 28-6-2010 by Before2017Victor]

reply to post by googolplex


Whether or not we have an intelligent creator or not, I think what is in question is whether or not there is intelligent life here on Earth.

reply to post by snowspirit


Intelligent life in the universe...where? I haven't seen any so far.

Anyway, this thread is about the multiverse/parallel worlds and such...

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Before2017Victor]

You have the power to change the universe you are in, you can jump into a parallel universe simply by changing your perspective. You can go in all ways possible for your soul, because we currently live in the 4th dimension, following your heart, or listening to your conscious, is usually the best choice though.

I choose the path of Destiny, and I pave the way!

We are like broken mirrors.

reply to post by leira7


Whaaa?

Most would just say a change of perspective is a change of perspective not jumping into a parallel universe. lol
4th dimension huh? I've been told I am in 3D land here.

reply to post by depth om


Expand on this if you will.

Originally posted by Before2017Victor
^ I am an Atheist. -__-

Though I don't always agree with everything mainstream science says.

I have to say that you're restating the question...
what created the creator? lol
Why stop there?
And don't tell me you have a personnal relationship with this creator...if indeed "he's" something our human minds cannot comprehend.

I'll just keep on trying to be a good person.
So much confusion...so much information...and more confusion.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Before2017Victor]

There is no confusion, the Truth is before you, all question are snswered, there is unbelievable power around you, don't be square peg, in round hole.
I was once lost now I have freinds in very high places, it's terrible I know but now I go around smiling, or laughing, I use to be scared.
I only fear One now, but that's outof respect.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by googolplex]