The use of subliminals for the normalisation of chemtrails(Pictures).

cloud seeding is real. It's huge. Aerial spraying of chemicals is fairly common, the world over. No one can deny that, and I don't think anyone is trying to.

Yes, I oppose this. Still, cloud seeding and weather manipulation keep people fed. They keep crop cycles regular, and ensure good growing seasons (for the most part). The Chinese spend billions of dollars every year on it. Are there ill-health effects, or other unforeseen results of this procedure? I dunno, do some research and report back if you want.

But the reality is that most people worried about this sort of thing are just taking pictures of normal jet contrails! This grand obsession with the "visual evidence" is what ruins the credibility of the whole thing. Because, for the most part, it's not something that goes on over densely populated areas!

For crying out loud, there's a paper trail you can follow here. Cloud seeding and weather manipulation are well documented. So is the aerial spraying of other chemicals. It's only when the "insidious evil overlords trying to kill us" angle gets thrown in that the evidence starts to get thin, and people start making home videos of jetliners spraying "Barium" over their towns.

It's like with anything, really. I believe in alien visitation, but I sure as heck see a lot of videos of airplane landing lights and seagulls labeled "UFO! DEBUNK THIS!!!" You just take it in stride.


Anyways, if you REALLY give a darn, then put away the camera and just do a little research. Look up common airborne dispersants and chemicals used for cloud seeding, and see what, if any, ill-health effects are caused by them.

And BELIEVE me when I say that they aren't doing this "just to make you sick". That's just paranoia. They do it to keep the weather moderate. Is it working? I dunno, is the weather moderate? It doesn't seem to work so well to me. Frankly I wish they'd stop.

Cloud seeding and your chemtrail conspiracy are two different things. Using cloud seeding as proof of chemtrails is silly, ludicrious and disingenious.

Originally posted by firepilot
Using cloud seeding as proof of chemtrails is silly, ludicrious and disingenious.

Not as silly as using everyday common contrails as proof of some world wide chemtrail conspiracy that every airline company must be in on!

[edit on 23/8/10 by dereks]

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by firepilot
Using cloud seeding as proof of chemtrails is silly, ludicrious and disingenious.

Not as silly as using everyday common contrails as proof of some world wide chemtrail conspiracy that every airline company must be in on!

[edit on 23/8/10 by dereks]

There are lots of things disingenous and dishonest about the silly chemtrail cult. If all their claims were to be true, most of the people in our country would be employed in chemtrails in some capacity

OP, this is excellent research. It's the same research track I was on until I found the INCONCEIVABLE TRUTH!!

It will probably take you a little while longer to REALIZE this, but what I eventually stumbled upon is that TPTB have actually actualized a plan that has replaced all current forms of JEP (Jet Engine Propulsion) with CTP Engines! Yes, that's Chem-Trail Propulsion engines!

If you look at these pictures, you'll see that the planes with two engines will have two chem-trails behind it, and the planes with four engines have FOUR CHEMTRAILS BEHIND THEM! THE CHEM-TRAILS ARE ACTUALLY BEING CREATED BY THE ENGINES THEMSELVES!!

This can only mean that the propulsion of the aircraft must be caused by a mixture of chem-trail fuel ( I call it chem trail dust) that is combusted into a chem-trail propulsion engine.

This process and engine type result in the creation of chem-trails behind airplane engines, much the same way that contrails used to be formed by normal jet engines from the mid 20th century.

Anti chem trail activists always try to use the lie that jet engines are still in use today, while completely ignoring the fact that they've all been replaced by chem trial propulsion engines.

You, and I OP... and least WE know the TRUTH.


[edit on 23-8-2010 by RestingInPieces]

reply to post by Tamale_214


Wrong. Judging altitude takes specialized training and experience. Just using your eyes doesn't mean a thing. I've talked to "chemtrailers" who insist the clouds they see are low down to the ground, but never do anything to find out. The earth is round, so the farther away something is, the closer to the horizon it will appear. If you see clouds in the distance, and it looks like a plane is flying just barely above the clouds, it's common for people (CT's usually) to think the plane is at the same altitude as the cloud, when in fact the plane is higher and farther away.

As the claimant of "chemtrails" do you also use only your eyes to make a distinction that the chemical components of a supposed "chemtrail"? How? Who can determine that without testing? Absolutely no one.
Using your eyes alone to judge chemical content and altitude, is beyond silly, and only shows how much you do not understand about the topic.

reply to post by slylee


The picture with the carosel and weird, shingled hut is not showing either contrails or "chemtrails". It shows CLOUDS, both cumulus and altostratus undulatus. A pattern of lines in the sky as shown in the upper left corner are naturally produced, just as waves form on water and dunes in deserts.
If you can't identify clouds, how can you make a claim about anything else in the sky?
Really, in the first world nations where air traffic is heavy, contrails have been a part of the skies for decades. Seeing them is a normal part of the sky, so they are pictured. Not a conspiracy, not something subliminal, just pictures of a normal sky.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Is this the video you were thinking about?


And here is one I made to counter all those silly claims of patterns being sprayed:



Really "chemtrailers", it's common sense that planes fly in different directions.
And yet, everyday someone is claiming the patterns are deliberate.

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Great video, but it is sad that you have to make a video about a topic that an 8 year old can figure out, with common sense. Children can understand how lots of planes taking off from around the country can fly over the middle of nowhere or cross paths with other aircraft, but chemmies cant.

And you are right, if aircrafts trails cross, that means chemtrails, and if they fly along the same course, they use that as chemtrail proof too. I guess they cover all their bases on that one.

Maybe someday the chemmies will go to an airport and take photos of airplanes, or maybe better yet, they will learn about aviation and meterology!

wait, haha who am I kidding, of course they will not. Chemmie "research" consists of posting to each other about how much they know chemtrails are real. Its like a blind dog chasing its tail.

reply to post by stars15k

Is this the video you were thinking about?

YES!!! Thanks....been having a devil of a time trying to find it...now it'll be much easier.

There are quite a few ATS'ers in Great Britain who are seemingly 'baffled' by the fact that airplanes fly in the skies over their country(ies).

ONE important thing, as you watch that video, is the airplane "tracks", or "traces" and how they 'disappear' at just past the shorelines....the airplanes keep going, of course...those videos are made only from certain land-based radar sources, NOT having entire Global coverage.

(Someday, near future, a great deal more air traffic control functions will be Satellite-based...for even better, more extensive coverage over-water, and in remote regions of the planet...like the Amazon, Siberia, etc).

I can pull up a large variety of aeronautical charts for the USA, and then indicate them specifically for our US residents. I believe that others around the Globe can infer that THEIR regions also have air traffic flying daily, to a multitude of different destinations...as your second video aptly demonstrates in its way.

reply to post by firepilot

or maybe better yet, they will learn about aviation and meterology!

Shoot, a "chemtrailer" actually learning about aviation and meteorology That would be interesting, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Chemtrailers lament logical thought process and science unfortunately, and get angry, and make personal attacks when presented with facts.

This video shows exactly how this thread is going to go down



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reply to post by slylee


No one is going out of their way to add anything. Geez, didn't you read the rest of the posts?
Here's the high points:
Contrails have been seen in the sky since the beginning of motorized flight
First world nations have lots of air traffic
Contrails are a normal part of our sky now.

Besides, that. You show the equivalent of sky-writing in one. That is not even a contrail.
Get over it. If your mind is so weak and easily swayed by images of a normal sky, perhaps you need to turn off the computer and TV and experience real life skies for a while. Get a weather guide and make it a learning experience while you are at it.

I don't understand the naysayers either. Not sure if it's subliminal brainwashing, denial or Internet shills who frequent these boards.

To me, it's sooooooooooooooooooooooo obvious that what I see are NOT normal contrails. When they deliberately criss-cross my skies (that I've come to known for 50 years ) it doesn't take rocket-science to realize this is not normal, typical or natural.

It's so PLANE (pun-intended) to see there's something going on. Now the question is what because most of us are way beyond the 'if'.

Excellent job OP!!!!

Dude one pic is taken from forza racing game which = someone went out of there way to add it, same with movies, my mind is not weak thanks. x

Lee

reply to post by Human_Alien

When they deliberately criss-cross my skies (that I've come to known for 50 years ) it doesn't take rocket-science to realize this is not normal, typical or natural.

LOL!

How ironic....that people DON'T need to be rocket scientists to realize, learn, understand actual CONtrails, and how they form, and how flights pass by to make them.

It is only those few who refuse to learn, even when so many opportunities have been offered on the topic. Right here in this thread, and in others.......

I see the skies often mate, i'm a grouse beater on the lancashire/yokshire moors in england. And the sky writing pic, i always thought it was light aricraft did these not jumbo jets, my mistake again.

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I was at my friends yesterday playing some demos on his xbox and saw that, in Skate 2, at least when playing multiplayer, on every other turn there is a chemtrail lingering in the sky, there is also a bunch of stuff in the air (smartdust?) car alarms and cop sirens going off every 5 seconds like there's a riot going on somewhere. Another thing that I found strange is that in the intro to Mirrors Edge, you can see chemtrails in the sky. I was only playing demos so I don't know about any other parts in the games.

So now we need to include the video game companies as part of this plot. so how many groups and companies are we up to now. I swear it must be half of the country involved by now.

Its funny too, if most everyone believes these are normal contrails anyways, why would there need to be this "plot" to normalize chemtrails, when such a small number of people believe in this nonsense anyways.

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