The "Up to the Minute" BP Livefeed Discussion Thread

reply to post by Kratos1220


me the contrarian again

So, my question is, how do we know this is a 'seep'? I am curious if anyone can give a realistic explanation of how a 'seep' occurs, and how the sea floor would behave in such an occurrence.

Also, and i'm just playing devil's advocate here, (but if we cant question ourselves, we can never satisfy truly incredulous minds), but do we even know what this area looked like before the event? Do we know if these are 'natural' seeps, if they are in facts seeps at all?

It sure would be awesome if someone who knew something about how these things work could chime in and give us a clue.

Again, I'm not trying to discourage anyone's perspective, but think we should ask ourselves tough questions instead of assuming we know what we are seeing.

I appreciate everyone's work, greatly, and look forward to reading all your reponses

How about this for a start...I don't know
Jack...however your questions made me think about
ALL the times through life watching Jacques Cousteau
or any under water science shows do I recall EVER
seeing plumes coming up out of the floor! Think about it (you may be too young) but never anything like we are observing here...
especially the oil & hydrate build ups on BOP & other
equipment, bad enough that they have to spray
anti-freeze to clean the equipment off...that chemical
alone is EXTREMELY toxic...I know because I work with animals...
1 lick of anti-freeze can kill dog or cat...

Ektar

It's incredibly hard to find a video of a natural oil seep from any location on the net, but someone found one and I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but it showed a crack with oil droplets leaking out once every 30 seconds or so. No silt being blown around or anything like that, just a calm, slow and steady drip.

reply to post by Ektar


"Nothing we've ever observed' because,perhaps, we've never seen footage like this. these ROV's were not stationed there, with screens for us to view, prior to this event, obviously. So what i 'supposed' to happen is foreign to us.

What does a seep even look like?

We're just shooting in the dark. Could be the current, could be propeller wash, could be the end of the world. We have no idea.

I just think we need to admit that before we go calling things 'evidence'.

just my $.02. as usual.

thanks for all your work, everyone. Were all in this together.

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Originally posted by Kratos1220
It's incredibly hard to find a video of a natural oil seep from any location on the net, but someone found one and I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but it showed a crack with oil droplets leaking out once every 30 seconds or so. No silt being blown around or anything like that, just a calm, slow and steady drip.

Well, that kinda makes me think we arent seeing seeps, then, right?

I also searched the net, but could find no such images.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by justadood]

This is why I need to know how to video...
Today for the 2nd or 3rd time since this mess
started I saw a "Flap", literally where a small
mound in the floor actually lifts up like it's hinged &
then immediately back down..like "Peek-A-Boo"
So frustrating that I haven't been able to capture
a photo...things happen so quickly... Has anyone
else seen this?

And how about the BOP DAMN it!!! Where is it!!! Guess it's
to F'd up to show the video!!! And by the way BP your videos
are so horrible that I would be totally embarrassed to have my name associated with that crap!!

Ektar

Another thing to think about, however, is that with a natural seep, there is already a path through the sea floor for this oil to seep from. This could prove to be the path of least resistance for oil to escape from under pressure. At any rate, I don't really believe that these apparent eruptions are natural. That's not really a "seep" when things are being blown up and all around, now is it?

Good point from both Dood & Kratos...
Did either of you guys see the oil whorl pool video...it's referred to the under water tornado...Part 3 you see the oil & stuff coming up out of the ground & then spins into a "tornado".../

Just some pretty good footage...
Still I have never seen anything come up from the sea floor
like we are observing now, unless there was some special event or area that was focused on in the past. Yes to have things pop up here & there is normal...SO if what we are seeing is what you may think is normal...then why has ALL this intensity increased with the Well Problems? Increase in size of plumes or seepage, increase of leakages in the mass floor area, & increase in Volume & Pressure in which these leaks are producing?
So Dood you keep questioning about the plumes or seepage in regards to the ROVs...There are many post with STATIONARY ROVs with this activity going on...w/o other interference...what do you make of that...also none of what I have said or asked is in an attacking mode, were all in 2gethr!
Ektar

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Ektar]

OMG am I upset now!!! This would have been
for you Dood...I just saw what appeared
to be a huge crack & stuff started rising from deep within...
but DAMN IT as soon as I saw it...cam switched to a
different view...

Ektar

reply to post by Ektar


thank you for the pictures. I read up on several posts and started just passing them by, because there were no pictures supporting the statements.

i must have missed it. again.

what is skandi looking at? whats that structure?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/baab5cbb7f10.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by justadood


It's been staring there for quite sometime...
It's the New Under Water Tool Chest you can
order yours from BP! LOL! I think it's that yellow
cage or whatever with all those switches on it...
Did you see the Star Fish Photo I posted for you?
Been on here too long need a break, goona
watch a Netflix movie I've had for over a month LOL...
been to wrapped up in this...will ck bk afterwards...

Ektar

okay, you two. i finally saw what you are talking about.

this was on Olympic_Challenger_UHD_30.

First, a big 'dust up' of the light brown.whiteish stuff. Then, as it panned out and looked around, a big black plume(???) on the left side of the screen, which it quickly panned away from hard, before the screen went black for a few moments.

it came back on a minute later, although keeps going in and out.

dont know what t was, the sea floor doesnt appear disturbed, although once the dust settled, it foucussed in on some scurrying things on the ground, and zoomed in on this dead fish(?)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e1ac124462f1.jpg[/atsimg]

also, if anyone wants, i have lots of (poorly labeled) images in my media library from these feeds.

media.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 9-8-2010 by justadood]

reply to post by justadood


Oil and gas seeps are natural springs where liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons (hydrogen-carbon compounds) leak out of the ground. Whereas freshwater springs are fed by underground pools of water, oil and gas seeps are fed by natural underground accumulations of oil and natural gas.

This is a vertical slice through the Earth's crust, showing folded layers of sedimentary rocks holding oil and gas in the crest of an underground fold. Sometimes oil leaks out of the fold and forms a natural oil seep at the land surface.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/01aa5b7fc01e.jpg[/atsimg]


Oil that leaks to the Earth's surface is eventually transformed from a clear fluid to a tar-like substance called asphaltum. The lighter components of the oil are lost to evaporation, and the remaining heavier oil is oxidized and degraded by bacteria until it becomes sticky and black

geomaps.wr.usgs.gov...

This should explain it for you and if you want to see more go to the link I provided above.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h


This should explain it for you and if you want to see more go to the link I provided above.

Well, no, but i appreciate the effort.

that seems to explain a seep on land. I am curious how they act under water, and specifically how the sea floor acts during these seeps.

reply to post by justadood


Well maybe this will work for you.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c923469ff2bf.jpg[/atsimg]


This is about as good as I can find right now so hopefully it helps. You may need to zoom in because the quality is not the best.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


GREAT find!!! Thanks so much, you must have
been LMAO with me trying to use BASIC common sense...
I didn't even try to look anything up...I needed
a bit of a break...

Ektar

Anyone watching

Olympic_Challenger_UHD_30

8-10-2010 2:36am CST

WOW I thought I was watching the whole thing over again, oil going everwhere! Hurried over here to see if I was missing anything and now its gone?

Just wondering...Thanks!

Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
reply to post by StealthyKat

 

Yeah unexpectedly- kinda strange

Very odd coincidence? He was old so it could have been natural ....but...still...the timing. Has anything happened on the cams overnight?

Originally posted by Ektar
The video quality has gone to crap since
everything started exploding after the relief cap failure...
Now when something happens the cams
turn away or start pixilating which is just annoying
as hell...cause if you are already watching the
event you can still see it w/o the pix...

I've been trying to find a news feed I was reading this morning...
their was a 4 mo old turtle that was found
& rescue was contacted...unfortunately it
died within a few hrs...it presented with extremely
sunken eyes & white splotched shell...
Scientist had a healthy 4 mo old to compare it to...
Effects were from dispersant...They said the only difference
B/W the 2 dispersant was the newer one Corexit 9500
DELAYED DEATH for a few days longer...so the animal
has to suffer a horrific painful death...
(Not trying to be off topic, just reporting)

Ektar

The cap failed? I didn't know anything about that....what happened and when? Is that what I saw when I saw the cloudy stuff billowing up from the top of it?

Originally posted by justadood
okay, you two. i finally saw what you are talking about.

this was on Olympic_Challenger_UHD_30.

First, a big 'dust up' of the light brown.whiteish stuff. Then, as it panned out and looked around, a big black plume(???) on the left side of the screen, which it quickly panned away from hard, before the screen went black for a few moments.

it came back on a minute later, although keeps going in and out.

dont know what t was, the sea floor doesnt appear disturbed, although once the dust settled, it foucussed in on some scurrying things on the ground, and zoomed in on this dead fish(?)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e1ac124462f1.jpg[/atsimg]

also, if anyone wants, i have lots of (poorly labeled) images in my media library from these feeds.

media.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 9-8-2010 by justadood]

I have been seeing a few dead fish and eels....and a couple of days ago I saw an eel swimming erraticly and it looked like it was in the process of dying. Both times it was right after an eruption....it's sickening...*sigh*