Alien evidence on a Sarcophagus Proof!!

Would anyone care to comment on the *anthropological* implications of the figure's pose?

Look at it again and tell me why an artist would pose the figure and its' limbs in such a manner in a society with no history of even so much as the use of animals as mounts? The stance has something , unmistakably active about it? If they had had horses, or chariots i'd suggest it was something along those lines. They didn't though, did they? To the best of out knowledge there is no precedence for the characters pose, within that society, unless they are operating some kind of machinery? Don't get me wrong, that doesn't make it a spaceship, it does however throw up a serious question no-one seems to want to tackle head on without resorting to a, plain patronising attitude at times.

That being, why did the artist choose a pose that it is, no matter whether we look through modern or ancient eyes, one that can only, seemingly, be explained by the figure being involved in the operation of some kind of appliance or machine?

With the size of the universe odds would be that there is other life out there and if there happens to be a race of beings out there with technology of space travel perhaps that is how the human race coame to be on Earth, possibly because the home world was destroyed but before it was they set out throughout the many galaxies searching for a new home so the same mistakes were not made again. (ie. reclessly using up resources like OIL)

Originally posted by ShadowRamesses
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I have not read any of his books but he is one of the top guys if not the top.
I have watched documentaries he is in besides Chariots. He speaks with I believe a German accent. some of his discoveries are pretty amazing too.

ShadowRamesses.....

If you read all the books, you would have found that by the 4th or 5th book he had descended into farce.

If I get a little time free later on (in amongst the several other things I've promised to do on here today.....I'm a glutton for punishment ), I'll see if I can dig out some references for you.

It all got very, very silly..... :shk:

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Here's a link to a website which explains a part of the video I posted where they talk about tibetan Kantyua, I would love to check those texts out.


Link : userpages.bright.net...

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I don;t often defend Daniken, but on this one it should be pointed out that. When Daniken first published his pictures of this. It was claimed by a number of skeptics, who had never even been to South America, that the relief could not be fully viewed so Daniken had made parts of it up. Having seen photos of the actual relief, on this one, Daniken wasn't making it up.

Don't forget the following. From the 1920s onwards, the accepted historical and view of Aztec and Mayan society was formed by a single professor from the USA who, never once in his life, actually visited the countries in question, let alone did any on site archaeology. It was that sort of lazy arrogant cultural imperialism, of the worst kind, that gave Daniken the tools to attack the established view

I don't know much about archeology. But after looking at the OP's colored photos, the `breather` doesn't look right. I thought perhaps it's a device for sucking out the soul. And the whole picture shows the advanced equipment is a receptacle of processing its next `victim` into the afterlife (first through death, of course).

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You're probably right, but there are some interesting things he says which make you think. Are you saying he is just lying about everything? Some of the things he talked about seemed like he really believed what he was saying. All we can do is just do the filtering, somethings you might say naw, that can't be true and others you might get a sense that, ok I think that might be true. But who really can say for sure yes or no. I just find it interesting and like to explore the possibilities, anything is possible in my book.



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s914.photobucket.com... If it hasn't already happened, someone will point out with great authority That this is the 'tree of life' and that it is headed to the underworld. If you watched the video you will see the hidden side of the lid......they actually built the temple around it. This is just one of many strange and curious things, try folding the picture and making the cutout of the aircraft....oops, flying tree.

You know, it's been years since I watch the video, now I'm really interested in that Iraq Museum hope it didn't get destroyed.

It is surprising how sometimes you can forget things or movies you have watched, then you see them again years later and it all comes back.

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Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I don;t often defend Daniken, but on this one it should be pointed out that. When Daniken first published his pictures of this. It was claimed by a number of skeptics, who had never even been to South America, that the relief could not be fully viewed so Daniken had made parts of it up. Having seen photos of the actual relief, on this one, Daniken wasn't making it up.

Don't forget the following. From the 1920s onwards, the accepted historical and view of Aztec and Mayan society was formed by a single professor from the USA who, never once in his life, actually visited the countries in question, let alone did any on site archaeology. It was that sort of lazy arrogant cultural imperialism, of the worst kind, that gave Daniken the tools to attack the established view

Very, interesting, learning a lot here.

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By ignoring my reply you ignore history.

Originally posted by mazeofSiriusC

Looks more like a shaman tripping on some peyote or salvia divinorum.

Originally posted by Fryaga
Beautiful artwork on the sarcophagus, and I'll admit it does appear to be a little more advanced than one would think you would find in something this old.

Why do you think it is too "advanced"? Pacal lived and died in the 7th century BCE. By that time, the Romans had built great works far more advanced than the artwork on a sarcophagus lid. The Mayans themselves built cities and pyramids. So why do think this lid was too advanced?

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Blind dogs and broken clocks.

Originally posted by FireMoon
Look at it again and tell me why an artist would pose the figure and its' limbs in such a manner in a society with no history of even so much as the use of animals as mounts?

To me, he does not look like he is mounted on an animal or operating a machine. Rather, his pose seems to imply falling (as he descends to the underworld). There is something almost fetal about the pose, like a newborn baby flailing it's arms and legs.

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Originally posted by Ridhya
Since we werent alive then, didnt speak their language, or know their culture, you can ahrdly say its a spaceship... you base that off of your modern day idea of what a spaceship is and apply it to a centuries old pictograph...

Not only that, but it is a rather unimaginative and short-sighted view of what a spaceship is. In the 1960/70s when Daniken was forming his ideas, space-travel was limited to rockets and a need for breathing apparatuses. But that is the most primitive form of space-travel there is. Why would an advanced alien race still be married to archaic methods?

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Originally posted by ShadowRamesses
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

You're probably right, but there are some interesting things he says which make you think. Are you saying he is just lying about everything? Some of the things he talked about seemed like he really believed what he was saying. All we can do is just do the filtering, somethings you might say naw, that can't be true and others you might get a sense that, ok I think that might be true. But who really can say for sure yes or no. I just find it interesting and like to explore the possibilities, anything is possible in my book.

ShadowRamesses.....

Here's a list of Von Daniken books that were published in English:

- Chariots of the Gods? (1968)
- Return to the Stars (1968)
- Gods from Outer Space (1970)
- The Gold of the Gods (1972)
- In Search of Ancient Gods (1973)
- Miracles of the Gods (1974)
- According to the Evidence (1977)
- Signs of the Gods (1979)
- Pathways to the Gods (1981)
- The Gods and Their Grand Design (1982)
- The Eyes of the Sphinx (1996)
- The Return of the Gods—Evidence of Extraterrestrial Visitations (1997)
- The Arrival of the Gods—Revealing the Alien Landing Sites of Nazca (1998)
- Odyssey of the Gods—An Alien History of Ancient Greece (2000)
- The Gods Were Astronauts - Revised (2001)
- History Is Wrong (2009)

The narrative became more & more fantastic & erratic.

As far as I recall, I read as far as his 1979 book, by which point he was observing ancient civilisations through time portals at the bottom of wells, etc...

I have been searching for synopses of those 1st several books. It is difficult to find simple synopses that aren't interspersed with very strong critical commentary.

That is to say, the critique of these books has been scathing in the extreme.

As for his original work, the criticism of that is also extremely strong. Would you like me to post some links to that effect?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



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To sum it up the Lid depicts his mystical journey from this life.

He is shown at the moment of death falling beneath the heavens, past the World Tree and into the jaws of the "Sun Monster", taking him to the ancestral Other world.

He is surrounded by glyphs representing celestial objects and carvings from the Mayan culture.

Thanks

Ocker

reply to post by The Shrike

A BIG TREE/, more like an Alien ship people reported hovering through out the last week.
Imagine the difficulty describing a flying metallic enormous object in 3,200 bc you might say: flying carpet/chariot of fire/giant birds/flying stars. (even in recent years WE still call planes "Birds", And in most ancient languages "gods" translates not into supreme being but rather "people from the sky"........... You basically validated the deal. You described an alien abduction, the experiments: blood and that which is holy—is inserted in the (base of the trunk) "Machine", with BOWLS BEADS and TUBES???

"During his fall from the Tree of the World" more abduction references. Then his moment finally comes floating away from his body. His knees are flexed, his hands relaxed. He's inside the tractorbeams face is calm because he expects the paralysis like he felt in the light

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As bad a movie as "Stargate" was. I'm not too embarrasssed to admit just how awesome the idea, the concept is. I believe that all pyramids/temples were made in the Image of Space Craft they saw these aliens arrive in built for respect but also for the aliens eternal(seemingly) life.