The Crazed Anarchists Are At It Again.

Originally posted by Arkady
Where is the assumption that they are Anarchists coming from? fail.

Because these same black robed, masked people have called themselves Anarchists. Like I said. There is the definition of the word and then there are those who claim to be Anarchists.

reply to post by CREAM


Speaking of a Provocateur!

There may be a plant or two in there, but these folks are what they are.

I'll repeat again, I have utmost respect for the peaceful protesters, who do it legally. They will have far more impact than those masked fakers.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

That makes my point quite nicely. Problem is, nearly everyone I've ever known who called themselves Anarchists were the same violent phonies. There is theory and what the definitions say and then there is the real world.

Hmm i guess you are just living in the wrong place. Most REAL anarchists are peace loving people, who know the score.

Don't judge us all.

Being angry and peace-loving is a contradiction. Expect another 500 years to pass before that one sinks in.

Throughout history it has almost always taken violence for REAL change to take place. I always think about the American Revolution. And as far as getting an education to 'infiltrate' the system... I don't think it is really possible. Most politicians are career minded and don't REALLY care about what is going on... they just don't want to lose their job... like most everyone else.

I think that is the real problem. FEAR. It is my belief that MOST people will cower down if they are scared of losing their job.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Being angry and peace-loving is a contradiction. Expect another 500 years to pass before that one sinks in.

Actually no it isn't. Anger is a natural emotion. You can vent anger through music and poetry and art and still remain peaceful.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Being angry and peace-loving is a contradiction. Expect another 500 years to pass before that one sinks in.

Are you saying that Vietnam Protestors were wrong to act the way they did?

I will agree that it's a contradiction, but without anger, without emotional and passionate individuals such as those at the G20, do you think things would have gone any better?

Do you think that with a peacefull protest all the leaders of the G20 just would have come outside and sung Kumbaya over smores?

I don't condone the violence, certainly not, I wish it had been peaceful as well. I think most of those protestors were peacefull, and I also think there were at least a few agent provacateurs to disrupt the protest.

What this shows me, is that either way people are getting more and more fed up. 10 thousand people may be just a small group now, but what if in a year we see that number quadruple?

What happens when the protests are 50 thousand, 100 thousand strong?

That's when real change will come to our countries.

~Keeper

reply to post by CREAM


There comes a point when no matter their reasons, behavior trumps their reasons. I personally think these are just angry violent people who if this issue did not exist, would still be engaging in the same behavior.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I always try to judge people individually, but when they start to form groups that behave in a similar manner, its hard to that. Don't worry, you seem very reasonable. I fully understand what the idealized version of Anarchy is.

I think my point about the idealized version is separate from the reality of those who form anarchist groups. It's like what we saw under Stalin, Mao and others, in that their reality was a nightmarish slaughter, but their supposed theories of government were fantasies to tell people while they destroyed them and their countries. Reality vs Theoretical. To often ideas are ascribed to an idealized population that does not exist.

reply to post by stellawayten


Not always though. Although your point is well made, we have examples where pacifism accomplished major goals. Hence two of my Hero's, King and Ghandi.

We have a new example happening now. The Tea Party, no matter how you feel, has remained non-violent and may change the course of our country through its influence. While at the same time, the examples of violence we see come from those opposed to them.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


During the Vietnam protests we were committed to peaceful demonstration. The whole point of it all was the insanity of violence.

Soon we started seeing small groups of interlopers showing up causing trouble and engaging in violence and vandalism. They seem to be drawn, like moths to a porch light, to any activity involving protest against the establishment. They don't actually care about the cause however. They are not for real. It's the chaos and anarchy they crave and cause.

In the end, the violent ones like the Weather Underground played no part whatsoever in ending the war or healing the country. They simply went underground searching for other causes. We now see Ayers involved with trying to incite violence and more death over the Gaza Blockade. They people never change. They yell peace, but all their actions lead to violence.

OK, as I watch the reports I find out the violent protesters appear to be mainly French speaking Canadians. Three actually made it with weapons nearly to their target. That alone exposes who they really are.

It would appear Canada is not as pacifistic as its image. That is not a surprise.

I'm watching videos of not of the black garbed anonymous cowards, but now there are ordinarily dressed young people clearly having a wild party of destruction. The looks on their faces are like they are peaking on some kind of drug. It is the same people I came to expect when living through the Vietnam peace movement being invaded by these same chaos loving people.

THESE GUYS ARE ANARCHISTS. It isn't mob mentality. I know this because I have some older friends who are Anarchists and all they talk about is corporations this and that.

These guys are only smashing big corporations.

A lot of innocent people are seeing cops act harshly and this is because of those hoodlums. The innocent people should know for future references not to hang around these crowds.

We have peaceful protests in Toronto all the time! There is never any violence until these hoodlums showed up and provoked the cops.

Originally posted by Blaine91555


Everything they do screams they are fakes. So what are they?


[edit on 6/26/2010 by Blaine91555]

I believe the technical term for them would be Law Enforcement Officers.....but you may know them as Cops.


And please don't say it can't happen, because it has and does and has been proven so in a court of law.

reply to post by Equinox99


Wrong. They are smashing windows of small businesses indiscriminately. Not that it matters. Cheap thugs are cheap thugs. They pretend the cause is why. It is not. If there were no cause, they would still find reason for this behavior.

A small percentage of us are Sociopaths and sometimes I think that is misunderstood. A Sociopath is an actor. They don't feel remorse for their actions and they live in the moment. They learn as an infant, if I cry I get what I want. They cry for a different reason than the rest of us. Then as an adolescent, when the hormones kick in, it evolves to a delight in chaos and violence. You will almost never see an mature adult involved. By then they learn to blend in and do their dirty deeds under cover.

Look how long Ayers stayed out of sight until he helped set the stage for the violence over Gaza. Those deaths and the chaos that ensued were the plan out of the gate. It is his drug of choice.

[edit on 6/27/2010 by Blaine91555]

They are trying to keep summit meetings from ever coming back to Toronto.

After this, no Torontonian will ever want to host the meetings again.

Objective completed.

reply to post by BlackOps719


That is not of course what I meant to imply.

500 college aged Cop's in disguise?

reply to post by FearNoEvil


One would hope people over the age of twelve would be more mature than that mentality. One wrong does not justify another except to those who are the problem. Vandalism and destruction are the acts of sociopaths personalities and immature minds.

Some people change the world, others become a thorn in its side. We will see many of these same people in prison cells, lying drunk and homeless on the side of the roads and living their parents homes at 40 in the future. Some will become teachers to spread their venom. That is who they really are.

History repeats always.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I do agree with you and i can understand your frustrations, and it does seem to be a case of the younger generations jumping onto the whole 'anarchy' bandwagon.

I consider myself to have anarchistic tendencies, but i much prefer to write a harshly worded letter to the corporates or indeed write a song about it, than to go out and destroy something.

I don't advocate violence, per se, but I have played my part in violent protests back in the 80's, 'stop the city' in London etc. I'm too old to have any part in that now, and I don't encourage others to use violence.

The problem is the state doesn't react to peace, peaceful protests do nothing to change anything. The state itself is violent, it uses violence to achieve it's end, police brutality, war...It's the only thing the state reacts to, pays attention to, otherwise it's just ignored.

Take the poll tax riots in London, if it wasn't for that violence, as abhorrent as it is, the poll tax would not have been lifted at the last minute and people would now be paying more taxes. Was it worth it?

Some people are not willing to sit on their arses as the state rolls over them.

Voting doesn't work, voting changes nothing, the system is the same now as it was 50 yrs ago, where's the change? Look through history, most real changes have come from violent protest by the people, the state isn't going to give us anything for free. It's an unfortunate sad reality of life, that is why we are so apposed to the state capitalists system in the first place, it is violent and self serving.