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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by aboxoftrix
Sorry hunni. You're way off the chart. They believe he is both a prophet and the messiah. en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by dusty1
Good article. Check out wikipedia, the meaning of the Greek word Stauros
Jehovah's Witnesses for years have believed that Christ died on a stake or tree.
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by ChickenPie
How do you come to your conclusion ?
It looks as if half is missing.
Well.... It's that or either I don't get it...
Originally posted by Cor Leonis
This is a news flash! After Yashua's (Jesus) ressurection it is recorded that he showed his disciples where the nails had pierced his flesh.
Originally posted by Tayesin
Jesus/Jeshua must have been mentioned in some writings from the time.
Originally posted by Tayesin
I base that on a couple of documentary series some time ago called, "Jesus the Man" and "The Life and Times of Jesus" in which historians showed where references and reports from the time are made.
Originally posted by Tayesin
As an example, they included a lengthy record from a person who had been present at the family's Festive meal where Jesus is said to have turned water into wine. The report said when he was asked by his mother to fetch the wine, he gave everyone wine instead of only the wealthy, and watered down old wine to the plebs... which is a different spin on the 'miracle' of turning water into wine.
Originally posted by Tayesin
Recently in another documantary about Jesus's Family it spoke about the records from his family. Such things as how James was older and the son of another man, as were the older sisters, etc.
Originally posted by Tayesin
There is far more information from ancient sources of the day that show the real story has been modified somewhat over the millenia.
# Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet
# From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
# The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians
# Today they still know him and love him as St. Issa.
In 1894 Nicolas Notovitch published a book called The Unknown Life of Christ. He was a Russian doctor who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet.
Notovitch learned, while he was there, that there existed ancient records of the life of Jesus Christ.
One of his skeptics was Swami Abhedananda. Abhedananda journeyed into the arctic region of the Himalayas, determined to find a copy of the Himis manuscript or to expose the fraud. His book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells of a visit to the Himis gonpa and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses essentially the same as the Notovitch text. Abhedananda was thereby convinced of the authenticity of the Issa legend.
In 1925, another Russian named Nicholas Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich, was a philosopher and a distinguished scientist. He apparently saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda. And he recorded in his own travel diary the same legend of St. Issa. Speaking of Issa, Roerich quotes legends which have the estimated antiquity of many centuries.
"Beware, ye, who divert men from the true path and who fill the people with superstitions and prejudices, who blind the vision of the seeing ones, and who preach subservience to material things. "...
Then Pilate, ruler of Jerusalem, gave orders to lay hands upon the preacher Issa and to deliver him to the judges, without however, arousing the displeasure of the people.
But Issa taught: "Do not seek straight paths in darkness, possessed by fear. But gather force and support each other. He who supports his neighbor strengthens himself
At this time, an old woman approached the crowd, but was pushed back. Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the universe."
"As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for the Spirit." (Visit the linkfor full text - it's beautiful)
Though these writings are disputed of course they are at best; '"If we understand M.. Notovitch rightly," said Muller, "this life of Christ was taken down from the mouths of some Jewish merchants who came to India immediately after the Crucifixion. "' - Still a recoded work of his Life. link
You know... I always try not to judge and not be prejudice. Somehow there is someone always around, so convinced and so sure. I'm feeling I could kill them on the spot. Not for their belief (s) but because of the attitude.
If you would feel the same way I do about the image I got from religious looneys and religion design to create power and to yield it as such.
What if I can come in ? I'd doubt I'd go.
heir is something going on IMO. Or My understanding of faith is that it does not resemble what I've seen.