Just being NEAR the G20 Summit Zone can get you ARRESTED!

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the corruption everywhere,I guess when the s**t goes down,I'll be just another one who's got your back,if you know what i mean. I will not be taken peacefully.and will willingly die for my rights and freedom,and i hope there will be many like me. P.S. star and flag. Fight the power!

Perhaps someone could pull some strings in the CIA, I've heard they're good at fake terrorist attacks.

reply to post by wcitizen

We don't need the CIA for that, although, thanks for the tip. Up here we have the RCMP. They are a very versatile group.

Back in the '70s they were burning barns in Quebec and blaming it on the separatists.

I have no doubt that the average Canadian taxpayer is going to feel the one billion was money well spent, when this thing is done. One way . . . or another (wink, wink) we will get our dust up in the streets.

Then there will be a rousing round of "I told ya so's." from the powers that be.

It's crazy to think that they are ruining peoples jobs, daily experience and suppressing rights for this event. I wonder how the protest are gonna turn out.

Why don't they just have their meetings on some secret island like they used to???

Given the complete lethargy of the Citizens of countries in the Western World, especially in Canada, the USA, and the UK, it's likely that abuses of power such as these will continue to happen and that the citizens will continue to ALLOW them to happen without much protest.

In countries where Democracy is in its infancy, such as Thailand, people go out in the streets in their THOUSANDS and demonstrate against injustices all the time. We take too much for granted, and have been brainwashed into thinking that it's impossible for a few people protesting to be able to do much about anything.

If you turn on the MSM, there are lots of stories about things like this happening all the time, but people are being interviewed in the street, just with their normal lethargy saying "well, what can we do about it"?

It's time that the people rose up in protest, but when it comes down to action, I'd be the first to admit that this is much easier said than done.

Dalton McGuinty is a fascist egomaniac totally out of control.

The Ontario Provinical Police recently visited the home of a woman here to interrogate her if she had any "future" plans to protest the wind turbines in her town. Wind turbines are McGuinty's pet project and intimidating anyone who might oppose him is business as usual.

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i just passed by the protest zone, its in a parking lot surrounded by concrete blocks, like the ones that divide highways and has a chainlink fence. theres also about 3 inches of mud and puddles. it looks more like a makeshift detention center. welcome to canuckistan, where the illusion of freedom and democracy is shifted whenever it suits the chosen elite of canada. please don't export lucifers puppets anymore to canada, keep it to yourselves in the heart of satans empire, washington.

Originally posted by wcitizen
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American freedom??? Have you been asleep for the last 18 months?????

Last 18 months? Where have YOU been? I've been watching this for YEARS. If the "last 18 months" is all that you're aware of, you have some catching up to do.

BTW, extra question marks denote... what?

Or perhaps you blinked while the press was gagged,

Gagged? They probably need to be, since all they report is BS anyhow - and that appears to be voluntary.

the government passed a bill which means they can kill US citizens abroad without any judicial process being necessary,

Aww, ain't that cute? They made it legal now? Always did it extralegally before, and it never seemed to bother them.

your President O-bum-a

Hold right there, son. Obama ain't 'my' president. Near as I can tell, he ain't very presidential at all.

refused to authorise an enquiry into 9/11 despite overwhelming concrete evidence that there are serious dounts

How many inquiries into that do you want? You expect different results of a new one... why? Seems awfully trusting of your government, considering the fear of them you exhibit elsewhere.

- er, a cover up for his buddy Bush, they deliberately blow up the oil rig, REFUSE American citizens their right to be kept fully and honestly informed about what is happening there, they DONT clean up the Gulf, because it suits them to have a dead zone for their new algae business down there, they gag the local people so efficiently that they are obviously terrified to talk to the press, they refuse, they are not giving them adequate health care..... I wonder where the BP billions allocated for the clean up are going??? Bet you never find out, because Congress and the Justice System serve the interests of the corporations.

I'll take all that with a grain of salt - after all, this IS a conspiracy website.

While you're watching the show they're putting on for your benefit, you'll never see what's sneaking up on you.

American freedom??? No thanks.

You seem to be looking to your government to supply you with freedom. It's supposed to work the other way 'round. You are BORN with freedom, and the name of the game is to keep them from TAKING it. If you truly understand how it works, you realize that 'they' can NEVER do that. You can't even relenquish it. What happens is, you become convinced it's been taken away, and start behaving as a slave, never taking advantage of the freedom you have. You become enslaved defacto, because you don't exercise that which you have.

Sadly, I think your own fear will kill you long before the governmental assassins you postulate are hiding behind every corner can get around to it.

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The way I see it, if these so called "leaders" need protection from the people they are leading, then they must be doing something wrong


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Honestly, what do you expect? One good car bomb, and half the leaders of the world's powers die.

Don't put ideas into anyone's heads mate.

G20 protesters have shown that they are just a bunch of rioters and thugs that smash up windows and start fires, there is nothing peaceful about those protests.

I agree with Canada on this.

If G20 protesters were actually peaceful there wouldn't be this problem, but they aren't, so screw em.

You know what sickens me most about this situation? That we've allowed our government to gain the power to be able to pass whatever they want whenever they want. They hold the only copy of the rulebook and edit it at will without ever letting anyone read it.

Democracy is dead. My eyes have been opening slowly over the last few years and I'm at the point where I don't even trust elections any longer. These people in power can changes laws at will and create new ones to suit there best interests? How can we trust a system that can't even keep track of its own f***ing budget and gold reserves to count a few million ballets?

And the worst part of it is? The internet. We've all been given this great tool that allows us to instantly communicate with each other over vast distances, share knowledge and make bonds. Instead we use it to take our faces away and take the power from our words.

Protesting? Pointless! Laws have been made that take away what we thought were basic freedoms and we do nothing about it. Where is everyone who is actually doing anything?

If enough people in a democracy decide that it isn't working, can we actually change it? Or are we already past the point that we can recover the system that our ancestors dreamed of?

Hearing news like this is slowly killing my faith in human beings.

this will never happen again if others are aware. ite time to make them mad.


in another story, no ammo. period. we own it all now

Ok...where to begin?

1st off, I live about 1.5 blocks away from the security zone in downtown Toronto.

I've never seen so many police / security forces, police vehicles (helicopters, ground patrols, etc), motorcades, protesters, anarchists, disaster tourists (ie: those who can't wait for a good dust-up), etc. It's surreal.

For those of you who have never been to Toronto, let me just say that it's unsettling for those of us who live here. This is not the Canada we all know and love. And before anybody points it out, yes - I know - summits like this require security. I'm not debating that. What I am debating is the need to over-spend previous G8/20 security budgets by some 890 million dollars, the need to arrest people who refuse to show ID and/or submit to a search without ANY probable cause or suspicion, or the need to shut down an entire city for days on end to facilitate a face-to-face meeting when the entire outcome of this summit was known and pre-written MONTHS ago. This dog-&-pony show has done nothing but lay economic waste to Canada's largest city for days on end with little, if any, up side.

As far as the newly enacted 'stealth-law', allowing police to arrest anybody within 30 meters of the security fence? Lets just say that as far as I can tell, there will be a political price to be paid for this at the next election. I'm a regular listener to talk radio here in Toronto and, to the best of my recollection, I've never seen such an across-the-board condemnation of a government action. Conservatives and liberals alike are very disturbed at the implications of this law, passed in the middle of the night, with ZERO public input or consultation and, perhaps most disturbingly, absolutely NO notification. This truly goes against everything we, as a free society believe in - conservative and liberal, left and right, alike.

Summit be damned; this isn't the Canada we know or want.

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The key to understanding what is going on is to see it as creeping totalitarian fascism. Mussolini said that fascism should more properly be called "corporatism" because it was a fusion of business corporations and the state.

Most people work for business corporations or the government.

That is just another way of saying that most people are complicit in the fascist takeover of democratic institutions. They depend on those institutions/corporations for their livelihood, so their natural tendency is not to make waves, not to stand on principle. You can't feed and clothe your family with principles . . . in the short term.

In the long term principles are important.

Jim Marrs's book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich is really required reading nowadays. It clearly shows the tentacles of corporatism reaching everywhere in the modern industrial world.

Even movements like the green movement with it's regulatory impositions on people serve the ends of making people docile and acclimatized to state intervention in their personal lives. The campaign against smoking of course has beneficial effects on the health of the population, but it has a sinister effect also in confirming in many minds the correctness of government intervention and control of something that hitherto had been a matter of choice.

More and more people accept that the government has a right to control people. Meanwhile the government itself has come under the control of large corporate entities who support all parties and don't care who wins elections. They exert control on whoever is in power.

Thus the traditional democratic processes have been completely subverted. The Obama administration is a great example of this in that many Bush administrators and functionaries continued to exert influence under Obama.

We've seen fascist totalitarianism in action before. German tanks smashing down the thatched roof hovels of Russian peasants and much much worse.

Now we seen it again. "The bullies are back," as Rick Siegel said and their tanks are smashing buildings in Bagdad and Afghanistan.

Is much worse to come? Time will tell, but I'll tell you something. It looks like an old and despicable pattern is starting to assert itself again.



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Well, if the G20 protesters weren't notorious for being rioters, there wouldn't be the need for such security. But unfortunately these rioters gear up for this for the expressed purpose of causing a fight with police.

They do this so they can come latter and cry how they have been abused, how those meanie police wouldn't let them set fire to dumpsters, break windows, and riot all over the city.

If a known terrorist group routinely went to cities to protest, and at each and every one, blew crap up, would you want them anywhere near you? I mean cmon, freedom of speech is one thing, but when it is guaranteed to be violent, that's another.

Shiiiiiit.. So much for plan A:

Plan A
If world leaders meet in a public cafeteria with lots of civilians around, blend in, get to their table, reveal C4 under my coat, say: "surprise!", KABOOM!

Stupid idiots! Making it so difficult for me.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Nyteskye

 

Well, if the G20 protesters weren't notorious for being rioters, there wouldn't be the need for such security. But unfortunately these rioters gear up for this for the expressed purpose of causing a fight with police.

They do this so they can come latter and cry how they have been abused, how those meanie police wouldn't let them set fire to dumpsters, break windows, and riot all over the city.

If a known terrorist group routinely went to cities to protest, and at each and every one, blew crap up, would you want them anywhere near you? I mean cmon, freedom of speech is one thing, but when it is guaranteed to be violent, that's another.

Over all, we agree. I've been dreading having my city turned into a war-zone by protesters. I firmly believe in the right of peaceful protest in a democracy and abhor violence - in the vast majority of circumstances.

But in terms of the law passed by the Ontario legislature, that's not what we're talking about here.

It was passed by stealth, with NO public consultations, no notification, no nothing. It's written in such a way as to all but BAN lawful public assembly and protest within any meaningful range of the already generous security perimeter encircling the entire summit area.

In an article entitled First ‘secret law’ arrestee plans Charter challenge the Toronto Star writes:

The new regulation gives police sweeping powers to interrogate individuals, search without warrant, and deny entry to those deemed to be suspicious who come within five metres of the security fence. A day after Vasey’s arrest brought the new regulation to light, lawyers across the city said both the sweeping police powers and the way the regulation was enacted are reminiscent of a “police state.” “It doesn’t cast our country in a very good light, that we would go to such drastic measures to suppress basic civil liberties, like the right to protest,” said Paul Burstein, president of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association. “It isn’t just the invasiveness of the power that is so troubling, but that it was done in secret so that by the time we can do something about, it will have run its course,” he said. “We are trying to present this image of peacekeepers and all that . . . but here we are, we turn ourselves into a police state to host the world. It’s embarrassing.”

I would go one further. Not only is it embarrassing but it may well turn out to be unconstitutional under Canadian law. In the end though, it will have done it's intended job. The constitutionality will be worked out later.

I think security is necessary and I know there are provocateurs among the protesters and among the police. Let's face it. Some people just ache for a chance to kick someone in the head.

I just think we spent 980 million dollars more for security, than we had to.

This is the classic rip-off style written about in Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman. You go to the tiny Pacific Ocean atoll country of Begonia (substitute Canada) where nobody has ever heard of terrorism, but where they have a massive bank account because of the rich pearl fishery, and you sell them A Billion dollars worth of crap they will never use again.

Oil Can Harry takes you to the cleaners by selling you the means to clean Oliver Twist and the lost boys off the mean streets of Snoozeville.

When are people going to wake up?

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And another thing. Don't think that this money was spent to provide security for the summit. That's only a collateral benefit.

This money was spent to pay off political favors.

It's just a very thoughtful way of saying thankyou to those who guaranteed the election of various office holders by their financial support.

Read On the Take by Stevie Cameron. The whole paradigm is laid out in lurid detail.

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I do agree with you too that this law should have been on the up and up and out in the open for people to talk about first.

But I think the point will be moot once the G20 is over and the anarchists go on to do their thing.

Then most likely the Canadian equivalent to the SCOTUS will knock it down for being unconstitutional. Which they should.

What I wonder, is how long cities will put up with the G20 rioters before they stop letting the G20 meet in their towns at all?