Leviathan, magicians eclipsing the sun book of Job

I was at first really interested and excited to post this and get all your views, but I have compared the translation to the KJV and its different.
Anyway here it is.

In a Catholic bible in the book of job it states:

Job 3:8 Tell the sorcerers to curse that day, those who know how to control Leviathan

It then has a little astriex to a footnote that says "LEVIATHAN: Some take this to be the crocidile, others a legendary monster.Magicians were thought to be able to make him cause eclipses of the sun.

Thats the Catholic bible and commentary.

Heres King James Version which says NOTHING of "sorcerers" and NOTHING of asking God to tell one of them what to do:

Job 7: Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
JOB 8: Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
9: Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day

So two conspiracies. Firstly why does the Catholic bible talk of magicians using power to eclipse the sun when that is not in the KJV. No mention of the leviatian "dragon" or magic.

Secondly is there any other reference to this "Leviatian?" and eclipses of the sun? Finally a question. Is there ANY reference ANYWHERE about mystical involvement of the sun at night? like the moon eclipsing the sun but at night? I know it sounds totally insane...im thinking of something like the flames of the sun visible while being eclipsed by the moon...but at night..visible by the naked eye. Anyone heard of this?? I read something about it ages and ages ago...cant remeber from where maybe just bull.

my theory

the leviathan is the great serpent of revelations, the one that gives its authority to the beast. the great serpent would be satan, and eclipsing the day means that he takes the place of jesus.

so in short a hidden message about the ones who control the gov in the end times that control the beast with satan in order to eclipse the sun (which for that message should have been retranslated morning star because of day/morning) aka take the place of god/jesus.

it was mistranslated sun im guessing in order to fool people who joined their snake cult and were led into believing that xtains really worship the sun. either that or its just a reference to bible prophecy. children of god are always reffered to by the sun or day, and the evil ones are refeered to by the moon, which sometimes eclipses the sun.

Ok, I found another passage in Job which talks about the Leviathan. Its Job Chapter 41. Starts off: Can you draw out Leviathan with a fish hook or press down his tongue with a cord? Can you put a rope in his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook..and so on. Sounds like an animal to me. In the footnotes of my Bible (English Standard Version) it says the Leviathan is "a large animal, exact identity unknown. However, I looked up my New Living Bible, which is a lot easier to read. More everyday language. It says "Look at the crocodile". So I'm guessing it was some sort of animal that spent a lot of its time in and out of water.

Edit: One more thing, I think Leviathan is generally talking about some sort of large repitle, and in the context of the Bible passage you pointed out, I have a feeling it might be talking about the devil or something. Cause in Revelation he is called "the old serpent", but thats just my thoughts on the matter.

[edit on 14-6-2004 by D]

there does seem to be a link between leviatian and the dragon but the context from the catholic verse of Job 3 is all about Job wishing he was never born, and Job asking for curses etc on the day of his birth so that day is a dark day. This is were the eclipse comes into it, Job (in the catholic context) is saying ask those magicians to blacken out the day i was born with an eclipse. So this was a known practice at that time. But this is not in KJV, only says those that curse etc. but its a similar theme. Magicians knew how to cause eclipses, or at least the rumour or common knowledge at that time was that eclipses were caused by magicians, maybe this was a myth to explain why eclipses happen? Astrologors were maybe know as Magicians, who followed the starts and the orbits, so they knew when it would happen, therefore its happening was attributed to them???

ok from my NIV job 41 and why i dont think its a crocodile

41:18 "his snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Firebrands stream out from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. 21 his breath sets coals ablaze and flames dart from his mouth."

Well that sounds like its breathing fire to me.

its also talking about his might and power and a alligator , although strong , doesnt come close to what this is talkign about

41:9 "any hope of subduing him is false, the mere sight of him is overpowering. 10 no one is fierce enough to rouse him, who then is able to stand against me? "

41:33 "nothing on earth is his equal, he is the king over all that are proud"

the king clinches it, as the great serpent is the reigning king of this world and all who are proud.

also check out 41:32 "behind him he leaves a glistening wake, one would think he has deep white hair" (sort of like looking at a jet in the sky maybe?)

alright next post is about job 3

the bible also talks about the bohemith..... he is created durning the same span as the leviathan..... any bible thumpers out there fill me in please

anybody know anything about the last post i made? it is along the lines of the levianthan

weird my NIV says the same thing in chapter 3 verse 8

"may those who curse days* curse that day, those who are ready to rouse leviathan"
*the note says the word days could also mean "the sea.".obvious implication of the rising sea beast of revelations there.

but the orig KJV says different like you said. lets look at other translations

those who would want to rouse leviathan (a word that conviently has levi in the front of it) would be the sorcerous snake cult i suspect being behind the changes in the book. (the sorcerors may also be merchants see next quote)

Rev 18:23 "...Your merchants were the world's great men. by your magic spell all the nations wer led astray. in her was found the blod of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth. " (merchants casting spells? )

about the eclipse maybe this is it? , Rev 6:12 "I watched as he opened the six seal. There wa a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth...."

all that and nothing about the boheimeth .. i know it is in the bible somewere it is the land dwelling equivilant to the leviathan

Originally posted by Jaypeth
the bible also talks about the bohemith..... he is created durning the same span as the leviathan..... any bible thumpers out there fill me in please

Originally posted by Jaypeth
all that and nothing about the boheimeth .. i know it is in the bible somewere it is the land dwelling equivilant to the leviathan

Ok found it in my Bible. Job 40:15.

King James Version:

Behold now behemoth, which i made thee; he eateh grass as an ox
Lo now, his strength is in his loins and his force is in the navel of his belly...

and New International Version:

15 "Look at the behemoth, [1]
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!
17 His tail [2] sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.
19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.
20 The hills bring him their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants he lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround him.
23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed;
he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.
24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, [3]
or trap him and pierce his nose?

The behemoth it says in the footnotes is commonly believed to be either a hippo or an elephant. But you can make your own conclusions. Its all quite interesting.

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Ok in the Catholic bible in job 3..he asks God to "tell" "ask" or direct "those who have the power " to blacken the day he was born. Was it a known practice at that time? Why would he ask God to ask a magician to do this, why not just ask God to do it?? hmmmmmmm

Leviathian is a dinosaur? crocadile? but its a "mythical" creature that can black out the sun?? Dont think the link is strong enough there for revelations and the devil/dragon. Remeber it says somewhere that the ANGLES play with leviathian. Now no angels play with the dragon.

Encyclopedia Mythica: Leviathan:

Literally, "coiled". In the Bible, and especially the Old Testament, the Leviathan is some sort of chaos animal in the shape of a crocodile or a serpent. In other bible texts it is taken to mean a whale or dolphin, because the animal is there described as living in the sea. Later the Leviathan became a symbol of evil, an anti-divine power (some sort of devil) which will be destroyed on Judgement Day.

The Leviathan appears in more than one religion. In Canaanite mythology and literature, it is a monster called Lotan, 'the fleeing serpent, the coiling serpent, the powerful with the seven heads'. It was eventually killed by Baal. The Leviathan is also the Ugaritic god of evil.

Encyclopedia Mythica: Behemoth.

[edit on 15-6-2004 by amantine]

originally posted by: TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I was at first really interested and excited to post this and get all your views, but I have compared the translation to the KJV and its different.
Anyway here it is.

In a Catholic bible in the book of job it states:

Job 3:8 Tell the sorcerers to curse that day, those who know how to control Leviathan

It then has a little astriex to a footnote that says "LEVIATHAN: Some take this to be the crocidile, others a legendary monster.Magicians were thought to be able to make him cause eclipses of the sun.

Thats the Catholic bible and commentary.

Heres King James Version which says NOTHING of "sorcerers" and NOTHING of asking God to tell one of them what to do:

Job 7: Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
JOB 8: Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
9: Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day

So two conspiracies. Firstly why does the Catholic bible talk of magicians using power to eclipse the sun when that is not in the KJV. No mention of the leviatian "dragon" or magic.

Secondly is there any other reference to this "Leviatian?" and eclipses of the sun? Finally a question. Is there ANY reference ANYWHERE about mystical involvement of the sun at night? like the moon eclipsing the sun but at night? I know it sounds totally insane...im thinking of something like the flames of the sun visible while being eclipsed by the moon...but at night..visible by the naked eye. Anyone heard of this?? I read something about it ages and ages ago...cant remeber from where maybe just bull.

I'm here.

originally posted by: TruthStrgnrThanFiction
I was at first really interested and excited to post this and get all your views, but I have compared the translation to the KJV and its different.
Anyway here it is.

In a Catholic bible in the book of job it states:

Job 3:8 Tell the sorcerers to curse that day, those who know how to control Leviathan

It then has a little astriex to a footnote that says "LEVIATHAN: Some take this to be the crocidile, others a legendary monster.Magicians were thought to be able to make him cause eclipses of the sun.

Thats the Catholic bible and commentary.

II KINGS 20:12 At that time Berodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present unto Hezekiah: for he had heard that Hezekiah had been sick.

Berodachbaladan = "Blood Sacrifice of Genetic Dan" at the 40 Days of Tribulation in which the Temple Stones/UFOs that identify with the Lord's Body are revealed, of 185,000 must be paid or the Genetic Line and the Clergy is terminated from the USA's population.

GENESIS 14:9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.
GENESIS 14:10 And the vale of Siddim [was full of] slimepits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain.

"Arioch King of Ellasar = 4 Kings with 5", Aaron or Eleazar is the 5th or one of the Separatist Inheritors* of the Gospel's Program, and the Blood Sacrifice must be paid to complete their inheritance in the New Universe (David took 5 Smooth Stones, but only the 5th was used to judge the body of Goliath=Aaron is judged when the Temple Stones of the Tribulation of 40 days are revealed, Num. 30:8-9, you must pay by Blood Sacrifice) (Recent examples of Genetic Termination by the multitude of Millions is a result of their continual usage of force against the Antichrist, and this will continue to be done).

a reply to: TruthStrgnrThanFictionCatholic translations are the only ones that use the Dead Sea Scrolls (the oldest in existence) in addition to the Greek AND Masoretic.
Catholicism also takes the translation process more seriously than any other church. They will translate accurately that which is not always in their interest to do so.
There is a website called NIV vs KJV that shows the major differences. Just replace the sorry NIV with your Catholic bible. The best, imo, bible is the Jerusalem bible, but it's hard to get as it's out of print and you have the New Jerusalem bible which is not as good.
For the money I'd go with the NRSV pew bible.

NIV is a really evil work, I don't know how they try to get away with leaving 18 verses out....OH and they just so happen to be pivotal verses....who would be responsible for trying to leave out that.......I'm wondering.....could it be what Church Chat Lady said.......

a reply to: Flamin60
Leviathan is a mythical sea beast probably borrowed from the Canaanites or Babylonians. The KJV is too old and just not up to date. We know of translation errors now that they didn't, and have corrected them. Also what do UFO's have to do with anything, you've been watching Ancient Aliens huh? I love that show but sometimes they go too far. I think they want us to be confused, don't let them do it.

a reply to: GBP/JPY
I agree. Catholic bibles are the best imo, even if you're not Catholic. The NIV is the most popular though, poor saps. Agendas, agendas, agendas. The Tanakh and Masoretic are bad too, replacing Sons of God with sons of Israel which makes no sense. They don't want to reveal that YHWH was not El Elyon to the unsuspecting orthodox Jews. The Talmudists know it though.

a reply to: D
Leviathan isn't mentioned in the book of Revelation, which John would have done if that was what he was talking about.
Leviathan is not Jewish in origin, probably Babylonian or Canaanite.
John is using imagery to prophecy of the future, not talking about magic beasts of mythical legends. Ha Satan from the book of Job works FOR God, not against. Satan is Hebrew for enemy or adversary, neither is something God has any of. Apart from Revelation, Satan works with God so something is amiss.

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