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Of course, for this loss, there would be a compensating profit -- fortunes would be made. Millions and billions of dollars would be piled up. By a few. Munitions makers. Bankers. Ship builders. Manufacturers. Meat packers. Speculators. They would fare well. Yes, they are getting ready for another war. Why shouldn't they? It pays high dividends. But what does it profit the men who are killed? What does it profit their mothers and sisters, their wives and their sweethearts? What does it profit their children? What does it profit anyone except the very few to whom war means huge profits? Yes, and what does it profit the nation?
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Originally posted by ghostpigeon
reply to post by mikelee
By the time this oil disaster is brought under control it is likely that between a third of a billion and three-quarters of a billion gallons of oil will have been poured into the Gulf and the Caribbean and up the east coast of America. Cuba, Haiti and every country along the basin will have oil washing up on their shores, most of the gulf and Caribbean will be dead seas, and economies across North and South America will be crashing down. Now how does that make Chavez a teenager? Granted I'm on thin ground here, because he wants oil production too, but do what do you think the geopolitical blowback on this will be? I'd say Chavez' action was a very moderate shot across the bow of a sinking ship. There is nothing outside of negotiation we can or should do about this. There is no reason why Americans should support oil billionaires to protect their investments. We will change our lifestyles, as we must, if oil prices go up and supply goes down, but there is not another drop of enthusiasm left in this country for yet another war.
We had a century long roll as kings of the world. Time to cash in a retirement plan and call it enough. Otherwise, we'll go the way of all empires. And there is no argument you can make that this is exactly what we are and have been for quite some time. By the end of the Cold War, we were a punch drunk fighter that managed to just stay on his fight while the Soviets collapsed.
The ultimate stupidity of Clinton, Bush and Obama is that they all thought or think we can keep this going another 15 rounds. We can't and we need to look at the world and realize that we didn't even WIN the Cold War, as nation after nation abandons our particular style of free trade, unrestrained, fee market capitalism. The smart ones made their compromise between socialism and capitalism and still boast free societies. The others turned toward more strong armed socialism, but none have adopted the wild west capitalism we practice for the benefit of a few thousand uber-rich.
I'd fight for liberty, if liberty means equal rights and human rights and democratic government, but I won't lock and load for American billionaires who put profit over base values. Obama's problem is that he, like every other president in a half-century is supporting government welfare for the rich and is willing see thousands of Americans and millions of non-americans die for it.
In it's founding moment, this country was embroiled in class war as Daniel Shays led his unappreciated and impoverished nation to war with Boston Banks on the eve of the Constitutional Convention. It may die that way too since that war, more than other, has left an enduring legacy on America that runs through whiskey rebellion, the railroad strikes of 1877, the Great Upheaval in the 1890s, the Homestead Strike, the Postwar strikes of 1919 and 1945, the Bonus March on Washington in 1933 and General Strikes of the mid-1930s, the steel and auto strikes of 1968 and dozen other conflicts in between.Those are where Americans fought for democracy, both political and economic and until we have both, we're only in a cease fire mode. You can't sustain a political democracy without an economic democracy and if there had been anything more than rich landowners at the convention in 1787, we might have had one. Democracy can't e sustained any other way; it will just be hijacked again and again by those can pay to win.
Originally posted by Someone336
You know, part of me wishes Obama would take a page out of Chavez's playbook and do this to BP.
Originally posted by chase the sun
So these oil rigs will rot too. Same as always when el commandante plunders the oil industry: Maintenance will be neglected due to lack of money, work and supply plans will be made by clueless but 120% fuhrer-loyal bureaucrats, productivity will plummet, and every animal around will die of the pollution.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Someone336
You want the government to take over businesses? Which Obama has already done more than once?
Google Greece. See the results of that mentality. Greece is now a slave to the Soros crowd. Last I looked they are all in the same Party as Obama.
Originally posted by Izarith
Originally posted by chase the sun
So these oil rigs will rot too. Same as always when el commandante plunders the oil industry: Maintenance will be neglected due to lack of money, work and supply plans will be made by clueless but 120% fuhrer-loyal bureaucrats, productivity will plummet, and every animal around will die of the pollution.
I'm sorry but i have to ask.....are you talking about BP?
Originally posted by chase the sun
Originally posted by Izarith
Originally posted by chase the sun
So these oil rigs will rot too. Same as always when el commandante plunders the oil industry: Maintenance will be neglected due to lack of money, work and supply plans will be made by clueless but 120% fuhrer-loyal bureaucrats, productivity will plummet, and every animal around will die of the pollution.
I'm sorry but i have to ask.....are you talking about BP?
The BP problem was an accident. The poisoned moon landscapes in the Orinoco oil belt are not. They are the product of a corrupt government controlled industry that only cares about making dollars for El Lider Maximo. No independent control instance, no coverage in the state owned media. Critics get jailed for obscure reasons or shot by "muggers". Everything is fine in Venezuela.
[edit on 25-6-2010 by chase the sun]
Please tell me you are joking or a...Obama supporter (read: Socialist)
Originally posted by Blaine91555
This is theft by a thief, pure and simple. Chavez is a what he is.