Obama what happen?

I am bit confused, on what happen to Obama and all the different promises he made. Like getting out of the wars, closing down that prison and stuff, when he was campaign he was a complete different person, saying things, that sounded like the best president ever, people thought that he was one of us, grew up in chicago, in a time where people where still getting over the whole race thing, and that he would actually start changing everything to benefit the people and not the corporations, and now all of the sudden, after he became president, he is doing the opposite of everything he said, and now i am just wondering, what was he briefed into? What did they tell him after he became president, that changed his views and ideas so drastically. I am sure he knows by now a lot of different stuff, we will prob lay never find out in our life time, but it be fun to speculate on what made him change his ideas of how he will run the country and the military? I am guessing that we are in a cold war right now we another superpower country, most likely china, but who knows what else he knows, so I want everyone to speculate here on what he knows, that made him change him in many ways....

[edit on 23-6-2010 by thebluemoon]

reply to post by thebluemoon


Dude, its not about race or party. Its about the fact that the only people who go into politics of any kind are lazy control freaks who want everyone else to work at their beck and call- so they don't have to.

Government is an extortion racket, and always has been. It creates nothing, it does no labor, it is parasitic in nature and feeds off of the productive labor of others.

At its best, it goes to the Moon and helps the poor by robbing everyone else. At its worst, it just robs everyone.

And tells them to enjoy it and obey or be shot or imprisoned or such.

Chak out.

What gets really annoying is every election year your presidential candidates make all these promises on what they are going to do and not do.

they promise and swear they will fix it all.

people in mass go nuts and applaud and choose sides

the loyalty and fervor pass over this herd as they blindly believe everything their candidate tells them and even fight their neighbors and friends who try to tell them otherwise.

They will even call you racist if you dont like obama or whatnot...

thing is you would think after all these presidents we have had, and NONE has done even half of what they promise, and the other crap they promise people don't realize HE DOESNT HAVE THE POWER TO DO WHAT HE SAYS... He can promise you new laws against this and that, or more money for this and that, but people seem to blindly forget it's congress that gets things going.

Yea I know about executive orders... but it's really funny once the president is in office and you go around asking people they all say "I knew he wouldnt do half the crap he promised, presidents never do..."

in which I reply "Then why did you follow and swallow it hook line and sinker when you knew damn well from all previous presidents ever they do not deliver, it's just ear candy and lip service to get him in then once in they don't give a !@#% about us"

I tend to lean more republic / constitutionalist since the OLD republican party believe in smaller government and as a die hard constitutionalist I would love to see a return to basics. Where State rights trump Federal Law as it should be. And I would love to see us return to a Republic government instead of this new deal democratic capatlistic society.

under our original government it was People > Government > Corporations.
Now we are Government > Corporations > People.


anyhow enough of my babbling and soapbox, its 3am and it's getting incoherent

reply to post by thebluemoon


Politicians always promise, and usually break their promises, which is why we should not trust politicians. And they get away with breaking their promises.

Because if you want to be a politician, that means you want to distort facts.

They are all the same.

Originally posted by thebluemoon
Like getting out of the wars,

The president never promised to end both wars, He promised to withdraw all Iraqi based US troops by 2011 and increased troop numbers in Afghanistan.

closing down that prison

Indeed, he said he'd close it on the second day of him being in office. That day came and went, but in my opinion the juries still out. If he closes Guantanamo in his first term, that'd be enough for me.

when he was campaign he was a complete different person,

Him and the rest of the 20 or so presidents prior.

people thought that he was one of us,

Bush was a man you could have a beer with, Clinton was your good ol' southern neighbour you could talk over the fence with. Reagan was no more different from your average joe. Really? Is this anything new to you?

I still support Obama but never believed he was going to change the world, especially within one term. There is so much issues that need to be fixed in this nation that it will take longer than one presidential term, and beyond the 'president' to change. Sure, Obama used his 'change' rhetoric, but then again from experience it is highly unrealistic to had assumed he was going to literally change the world or the nation over night, especially considering that he is just one man, and it would need to take much more than that.

There is an often told tale of the late Earl Long, who was the 45th Governor of Louisiana for three non consecutive terms, and younger brother to Huey P. Long, who was the 40th Governor of Louisiana, (1928 to 1932), and U.S. Senator from 1932 to 1935. Earl Long was famous for many reasons beyond being Governor of Louisiana and brother to Huey P. Long, he was also romantically linked to Blaze Starr a burlesque stripper. However the oft' told tale of Earl Long is this:

[Then-Attorney General Jack] Gremillion was walking by the governor's office when he recognized a contingent from Pearl River waiting to see Long.

He went into Long's office. "Governor, those people from Pearl River who you had me promise a road to are here."

"What the hell road are you talking about?" asked Earl.

Gremillion reminded Earl that he had specifically ordered him to promise the Pearl River folk a road during the recent campaign.

"Hell, I don't have time for them. Send them away."

Gremillion pleaded, "But Governor, what can I tell them?"

"Tell them I lied!"

revolution-21.blogspot.com...

Promises, promises.

Watching him go from wide eyed optimist who made promises he thought he could keep to the man he is today?

I think he was groomed for the position and he believed ever lie they told him. IMO Obama truly believed he could come through on all those promises.

Then, he got elected, and learned the truth about himself.

That he's just a pawn.

Now? He's doing the best he can - just like everyone else - doing the best we can...

peace




[edit on 23-6-2010 by silo13]

I agree that people's expectations were too high but, to be fair, a president can't change the world overnight. It took Bush eight years to mess America up and Obama isn't the king of the USA. He's also not a genie who grants wishes. It is fun to watch Republicans try to convince everyone that Obama's to blame for all of Bush's mistakes though. Sadly, this tactic will succeed in fooling an impatient public who thinks everything's a click away. Not that I'm pro-Obama (I generally distrust all political parties and their blind minions) but he did inherit 90% of the problems his administration is taking the blame for. I know you get your pizza in thirty minutes or less but geez...give him some time. Maybe while you're waiting, you can make a list of every president who was able to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE of their campaign promises. Look, all he ever meant to me was the lesser of two evils. Sarah Palin convinced me of that. Be grateful she doesn't have a say in anything.

Originally posted by Def Youth
I agree that people's expectations were too high but, to be fair, a president can't change the world overnight. It took Bush eight years to mess America up and Obama isn't the king of the USA. He's also not a genie who grants wishes. It is fun to watch Republicans try to convince everyone that Obama's to blame for all of Bush's mistakes though. Sadly, this tactic will succeed in fooling an impatient public who thinks everything's a click away. Not that I'm pro-Obama (I generally distrust all political parties and their blind minions) but he did inherit 90% of the problems his administration is taking the blame for. I know you get your pizza in thirty minutes or less but geez...give him some time. Maybe while you're waiting, you can make a list of every president who was able to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE of their campaign promises. Look, all he ever meant to me was the lesser of two evils. Sarah Palin convinced me of that. Be grateful she doesn't have a say in anything.

Give him time to what? Everything that could have been done to restore America to a constitutionally based country where you are a sovereign individual free from silly licenses and drug/morality laws, end special interest wars e.c.t could have been done by now. Is it not clear yet that he isn't working for you, but against you and future generations???

Simple he lied like the scumbag he is!

second line

In this current era, option 1 and option 2 are the same thing. When you went to cast your vote in 2008 for Obama or McCain, you could have chose while blindfolded and it would have been the same thing. We were essentially getting a third Bush term regardless of which of the two clowns won.

All the partisan bickering on television, the internet, or in your personal life is just a sideshow and entertainment.

All the millions dancing while Obama won yelling change were too dumb to realize they had just voted for more of the same. He continues the policies from the Bush administration and its why I laugh at his supporters(they are forced to love what they previously hated).

Some people are starting to wake up though.

If Palin runs in 2012, put on that blindfold and give her a 50/50 chance because it'll be the same thing going on now.

Both parties were bought by the lowest bidder, both answer to the same people, so stop fooling yourself thinking there's some huge divide between the two.

Maybe when he became president I found out some "strange" facts. Saw a bunch of real messed up stuff and now he doesn't know what to think.

Originally posted by thebluemoon
I am bit confused, on what happen to Obama and all the different promises he made. Like getting out of the wars, closing down that prison and stuff, when he was campaign he was a complete different person, saying things, that sounded like the best president ever, people thought that he was one of us, grew up in chicago, in a time where people where still getting over the whole race thing, and that he would actually start changing everything to benefit the people and not the corporations, and now all of the sudden, after he became president, he is doing the opposite of everything he said, and now i am just wondering, what was he briefed into? What did they tell him after he became president, that changed his views and ideas so drastically. I am sure he knows by now a lot of different stuff, we will prob lay never find out in our life time, but it be fun to speculate on what made him change his ideas of how he will run the country and the military? I am guessing that we are in a cold war right now we another superpower country, most likely china, but who knows what else he knows, so I want everyone to speculate here on what he knows, that made him change him in many ways....

[edit on 23-6-2010 by thebluemoon]

Kind of new to the whole politics game? Welcome to the way campaigning to be the president of the United States works. They barely ever uphold their campaign promises and frankly are never held to it anyways.

Originally posted by thebluemoon
I am bit confused, on what happen to Obama and all the different promises he made. Like getting out of the wars, closing down that prison and stuff, when he was campaign he was a complete different person, saying things, that sounded like the best president ever, people thought that he was one of us, grew up in chicago, in a time where people where still getting over the whole race thing, and that he would actually start changing everything to benefit the people and not the corporations, and now all of the sudden, after he became president, he is doing the opposite of everything he said, and now i am just wondering, what was he briefed into? What did they tell him after he became president, that changed his views and ideas so drastically. I am sure he knows by now a lot of different stuff, we will prob lay never find out in our life time, but it be fun to speculate on what made him change his ideas of how he will run the country and the military? I am guessing that we are in a cold war right now we another superpower country, most likely china, but who knows what else he knows, so I want everyone to speculate here on what he knows, that made him change him in many ways....

[edit on 23-6-2010 by thebluemoon]

Double post

[edit on 23-6-2010 by Procession101]

reply to post by thebluemoon


Obama was never one of us.
He is related to EVERY President except one.

Obama, Most US Presidents Related

He is also related to one of the richest men on Earth
Barack Obama related to Warren Buffett, ancestry.com says

He is in the family of the ruling elites.

[edit on 23-6-2010 by GuyverUnit I]

Originally posted by thebluemoon
I am bit confused, on what happen to Obama and all the different promises he made.

Wrong question. Here's what you should be asking:

What happened to the American people for continuing to believe the promises and lies of politicians?

Obama is just being a politican: a lying scum. The people have the power if only they'd finally get smart and stop believing people required to lie to get their jobs.

Nothing Happened to Obama... He is just took the American voters for a ride....

Hate to break this to anyone but he did exactly what he was supposed to.

He told the public what they wanted to hear to obtain votes.

Period.

Nothing more, nothing less.
If you voted for him, you were duped.
If you didn't vote for him, it didn't matter.

He was getting in regardless, and even if the public still thinks they 'elect' the president.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


"...Sure, Obama used his 'change' rhetoric, but then again from experience it is highly unrealistic to had assumed he was going to literally change the world or the nation over night, especially considering that he is just one man, and it would need to take much more than that."
(Southern Guardian)

Unless of course people truly actually believed for some odd reason Obama WAS indeed "the Messiah" or whatever then he could change the world by snapping his fingers then perhaps that notion may slide lol I've met a few of those folks boy are they wrong but i suppose thats just an opinion.

As far as Obama he probably didnt plan on alot of things he gets critized on seeing that predictiing oil spills basing plans for health care and budget on an unstable economy/ trade blah blah blah I give him a chance even though I didnt like him as a candidate.

To understand this you have to look at the incentives involved. A politician is a harrassed being under all sorts of pressures just to win enough support to make it into office. Thus, every single interaction they make with the outside world must consider the reaction they want to elicit; in short, they must be meticulously calculated. Such conditions naturally annihilate a person's character over time.

Think of a time you've been in an iffy social situation and had to think about the impression you were making in order to get by. It was no longer enough to simply be sincere, you had to act the part you thought would get you out of trouble. Think of being in this predicament 24/7, and you get an idea of what it's like to be a politician.

Over time it becomes a habit, as any repetitive action does. Truth becomes irrelevant; the impression becomes the first thing considered in any interaction with the public, and often the only thing considered. In this way politicians slowly destroy their own character. In more spiritual terms, one must sell one's soul if one wants power. And every politician has.

The specific strategies of course can vary. Thus as one poster pointed out Reagan perfected the "regular guy" image, Clinton perfected the "southern neighbor" image, Bush perfected the "beer buddy" image, Obama perfected his version of the "regular guy" image. Do not be ashamed if you were taken in by any of these. They are calculated to take people in. They are calculated to sound sincere, while being precisely the opposite.

It's the nature of power. This is why I don't understand why people can constantly criticize all sorts of individual politicians without realizing the big picture, without realizing how ridiculous is the notion that government in general is basically a good thing looking out for you like a benevolent parent. It is nothing of the sort.

It's okay to believe government is a necessary evil. But do not ever forget that it is still an evil.

Otherwise, you might grow fond of it, which is precisely what they want you to do and what they calculate to get people to do, but if you are a real truth seeker you'll find that road eventually leads to a dead end.

One of my favorite psychologists, Carl Jung, had government nailed down. Read the "political views" section of his Wikipedia article here: en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 23-6-2010 by NewlyAwakened]