Obama ban on deepwater drilling overturned

Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by Styki
People say Obama is doing nothing, as if he has a magic wand to get around the red tape. If he tries to go around the system the people say he is abusing his power.

I'm happy that's not my job.

Indeed. The very same people who say he is a `Dictator`complain when he doesnt act like one.

No, people who say he's a dictator complain when he doesn't do the right thing. Which happens to be almost always.

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Agreed. Americans need oil. Americans use oil. Americans could get off oil tomorrow if they scaled down and gave up the luxury of a microwave dinner at 3am with the AC on while watching the plasma screen.

Yes, they could 'get off oil tomorrow' if they decided that the 6 month old infant with a heart malfunction doesn't need clean, cool power to guide the delicate cameras and instruments needed for the transplant...

or that the plane load of 300 international passengers don't need to have safe, secure guidance systems...

...or a million other applications that need solid, safe, reliable power.

Liberals just want to make every decision seem like nuking a TV dinner...:shk:

Once again let ignorance ring free on ATS.

I will do it it in caps so just maybe the point may come through.


THE MORATORIUM WAS ONLY FOR DEEP WATER EXPLORATORY RIGS. NOT PRODUCTION RIGS.


THE MAIN REASON FOR THE MORATORIUM WAS BECAUSE THE ENTIRE OIL INDUSTRIES EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS HAVE PROVEN TO BE FAILURES.


Say that about a hundred times into it gets into your thick skulls.

ALL the oil companies we allowed to drill because they told the U.S. Government that if a catastrophic blow out were to happen they would be able to contain all the oil with little to no damage and stop a leaking well.

THEY LIED.

THE DEEP WATER HORIZON PROVED THAT WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT.

So why would any sane person allow EXPLORATORY....I will write it again...EXPLORATORY, non oil producing wells to continue drilling in DEEP WATER if we know there is no way on God's green Earth...THAT THEY CAN CONTAIN IT OR STOP IT IF SOMETHING GO'S WRONG.

WHAT F-ING PART OF THAT DON'T YOU Conservatives get!

Anybody know anything about this lecture? Seems to be a interesting topic for Judge Feldman to be lecturing on.

The Supreme Court as Commander in Chief
Posted April 5th, 2010 by Tommy Sturgeon
Please join us in welcoming Judge Martin L.C. Feldman, United States District Judge for the Eastern District of Louisiana, as he discusses this timely and engaging topic. Professor Luke Milligan will provide commentary.

Lunch is provided.

Room 175

12:00-1:00

www.law.louisville.edu...

reply to post by AllexxisF1

THE MORATORIUM WAS ONLY FOR DEEP WATER EXPLORATORY RIGS. NOT PRODUCTION RIGS.

Not true. Many more than 33 rigs would be affected:

The ban was placed on all exploratory and development wells in waters more than 500 feet deep while a special presidential commission investigated the cause of the spill and what changes need to be made to offshore drilling.

news.yahoo.com...

THE MAIN REASON FOR THE MORATORIUM WAS BECAUSE THE ENTIRE OIL INDUSTRIES EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS HAVE PROVEN TO BE FAILURES.

Again, not true. Most oilcos follow the guideline of having two shears in deepwater BOPs. BP had only one shear, which failed many tests while being installed, and was never reliable.

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
So why would any sane person allow EXPLORATORY....I will write it again...EXPLORATORY, non oil producing wells to continue drilling in DEEP WATER if we know there is no way on God's green Earth...THAT THEY CAN CONTAIN IT OR STOP IT IF SOMETHING GO'S WRONG.

WHAT F-ING PART OF THAT DON'T YOU Conservatives get!

To be frank when your drilling 35,000 feet for abiotic oil into the earths crust/mantle and in 5,000 feet water YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE! I don't care how many BOPs BP had or if they were in good/bad condition.

I guess the government could allow such dangerous endevours with on-land drilling because if things go wrong you have better options to contain these ultra-powerful geysers but NOT offshore.

A very few experts have stated this in our hush-hush capitalist enviroment so getting a clear picture is next to impossible. I think EVERY GOVERNMENT ON THIS PLANET should PERMANENTLY BAN offshore abiotic oil drilling until oil and gas companies CONCLUSIVELY PROVE beyond a shadow of any doubt they can deal with such extreme conditions.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Anybody know anything about this lecture? Seems to be a interesting topic for Judge Feldman to be lecturing on.

The Supreme Court as Commander in Chief
Posted April 5th, 2010 by Tommy Sturgeon
Please join us in welcoming Judge Martin L.C. Feldman, United States District Judge for the Eastern District of Louisiana, as he discusses this timely and engaging topic. Professor Luke Milligan will provide commentary.

Lunch is provided.

Room 175

12:00-1:00

www.law.louisville.edu...

Hmm....it is interesting, but i am unsure that attacking his credibility after 27 years without real issue is going to do anything but get mud all over him and those attacking him.

But now he is getting death threats, too? Wow. Talk about lower life form type of behavior.



RE: the gentleman asking why conservatives don't get it, or liberals don't get it. Drop the silly dichotomy. it is only used to implement the "Baaahs" into a tool.

Definitely a conflict of interest here. I started a thread a few weeks ago about Judge Recusals in handling the Gulf cases, because so many had investments in BP and related stocks that they could not try the cases.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

"The recusal issue has even surfaced in the nation's highest court. Two years ago, the Supreme Court refused to weigh in on a lawsuit filed by victims of apartheid in South Africa, because too many justices said they couldn't hear the case.

Several justices own substantial stock holdings. And others have children who work for major corporations, including some that did business in the country during the apartheid era." C. Johnson

The decision meant that a lower court ruling would stay in place.
Experts say if more judge recusals arise in the Gulf, the courts eventually may have to move the cases to another part of the country. Lawyers are floating proposals to send the cases to Alabama, Mississippi or even to a judge based in New York.

Man this is going to take years to just begin any Judicial action..

Judge Who Overturned Oil Drilling Moratorium Significantly Invested In B.P


Peace


[edit on 26-6-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

I am still of the opinion that we shouldn't put more people out of work because of an accident on one rig. Sure that accident was terrible. But I think this is a knee jerk reaction to this crisis.

Despite the judges own connections with oil companies, I think he made the right decision in overturning this moratorium

Just my opinion on the subject.

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Only 33 of these are effevted by this moratorium.

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Thats still 33 rigs full of crews that are out of work.

If a plane goes down over the Atlantic, do you stop all planes from flying over the Atlantic?

Accident's happen, now, I can see them stopping any and all BP deep water exploratory rigs. But why put all those people out of work because of one accident. Sure that accident is terrible, but thus far it's an uncommon occurrence.

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Theres almost 5000 rigs in that picture 33 will have to be put on hold. And the 33 are not pumping oil there only drilling "exploring for oil". The rigs have around 250 people who work on each one. So that works out to a little more than eight thousand people on unemployment. How many are out of work because of this leak who have nothing to do with oil? Politicians want them back so they can get more campaign money from big oil companies. Ppliticians are not complaining about the poor people who can't work because they know there not going to get millions in campaign contributions from them.

reply to post by JBA2848


But like I said, put a stop to all of BP's rigs. They obviously have safety issues that have to be dealt with. Why should rigs that don't have the same safety problems be shut down?

Inspect them, and if they pass safety, let them resume work. After all, it's only 33 rigs, I am sure it won't take 6 months to inspect all of them for code violations, if they have safety problems, keep them shut down.

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Exxon, Marthon and Shell all said that they will not go back to work until after the appeal process is finished. So the judge lifting the ban didn't change anything. The rigs are still not running and the people are still layed off. That says something when the rigs know not to continue even if the judge said they can. There must be some serious problems down there that no one knows about yet.

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That says something when the rigs know not to continue even if the judge said they can. There must be some serious problems down there that no one knows about yet.

Or, they are just waiting till the mess in the court is over before figuring out what to do.

Here's the latest from Ron Paul...

Ron Paul: For Obama To Claim He Can Close Down All The Drilling In The Gulf Is An Outrage


Peace

reply to post by JBA2848


Now you are starting to see the big picture most people can't or won't see.

Yes the elite handful all have their greedy little hands in the pie.

Corporations are a greater threat to our lives than terrorists

What's most striking about the present BP oil catastrophe is not that it is an aberration but rather part of a dangerous pattern of mankind's propensity to destroy nature. To destroy life in a large region of an ocean isn't even new: The world already has over two hundred "dead zones" where fish can't live because the ocean water has no more oxygen left thanks to the runoff effects of man-made chemicals.

Not content with mere deforestation and the vast destruction of biodiversity on land, Man has now expanded to destroy the oceans through overfishing, ocean acidification from CO2 emissions, agricultural runoff, flushing pharmaceuticals down the drain and unleashing crude oil directly into the ocean waters. It almost seems as if mankind were somehow bent on destroying itself by first destroying everything else on the planet just to see what happens.

Human beings, by any honest accounting, are repeat offenders engaged in crimes against nature. This article, by the way, isn't some clever way to try to push us all toward a U.N.-controlled world government where every human action is regulated by environmental cops; it's merely an observation of what's really happening right now on our planet. I'm a Constitutionalist and remain strongly opposed to UN control as much as any properly-informed American. In no way do I support suppressing our individual freedoms or liberties. In fact, the problems here are not with the People but rather with the corporations.


The criminal corporations
It is the corporations that are committing these crimes against nature: Big Pharma's mass poisoning of the waters, BP's oil catastrophe crime against the planet in the Gulf Coast, the manufacture of Depleted Uranium shells by wealthy "defense" contractors, factory farming by meat producers, the poisoning of our farms by Monsanto and its campaign to dominate nature with genetically modified seeds... you get the picture. If you really look hard at the issues, it's the corporations who are destroying our planet and thereby destroying future survivability for the rest of us.

It is the corporations, in essence, that are the criminals who are now destroying the very world around us, and if We the People continue to let these corporations engage in such actions, it won't be long before we wake up and find ourselves enslaved in a Corporatocracy that has stolen from us the very world in which we had hoped to raise our children.

What is abundantly clear now is that corporations will do anything to make money, from the cruel and inhumane factory farming of cows to dumping millions of gallons of toxic chemicals in the ocean to try to sink the dead sea animals in the Gulf. Corporations would set fire to the entire planet if that act could somehow boost profits by 50% next quarter.

The unbridled greed that drives these corporations is simply incompatible with sustainable life on our planet. Through their careless, greed-driven actions, corporations are threatening YOUR life and the lives of your children.

I say enough is enough.


An armed revolt against the corporations?
There is already some mainstream talk about arresting the CEO of British Petroleum for his crimes against nature. It will never happen, of course, because these corporations wield too much power over government entities. We've seen it time and time again: Corporations are almost never held accountable for their crimes.

It is becoming increasingly clear that any action to hold these corporations accountable for their actions must come from the People -- most likely in the form of a dedicated revolt, or perhaps even an armed "mass citizens' arrest" of the corporate criminals.

Imagine ten thousand armed, angry citizens from Texas, Louisiana and Florida converging on the BP headquarters in Houston, led by a local Sheriff, marching in and arresting all the top CEOs of British Petroleum. That's the kind of action that needs to start taking place if any justice is ever to be found in our modern world of corporate corruption and government collusion.

When it comes to corporate crimes, the justice system has utterly failed. The corporations that commit crimes are almost never held responsible. Consider the aftermath of the Goldman Sachs fiasco in 2008 - 2009, when Wall Street banksters ripped off the American people to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, and then got bailed out by the U.S. government with trillions of dollars in gift money. How is that justice?

Similarly, after drug giant Pfizer was found to have committed massive marketing fraud that violated federal law, the company was deemed "too big to fail" and was simply given a free pass by the government to stay in business, defrauding customers, states and nations. Pfizer set up a shell company to take the fall for its crimes, then went right back to business as usual. Read the story on CNN if you want to learn more: www.cnn.com...

As CNN reports: Imagine being charged with a crime, but an imaginary friend takes the rap for you. That is essentially what happened when Pfizer, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, was caught illegally marketing Bextra, a painkiller that was taken off the market in 2005 because of safety concerns. When the criminal case was announced last fall, federal officials touted their prosecution as a model for tough, effective enforcement. "It sends a clear message" to the pharmaceutical industry, said Kevin Perkins, assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division. But beyond the fanfare, a CNN Special Investigation found another story, one that officials downplayed when they declared victory. It's a story about the power major pharmaceutical companies have even when they break the laws intended to protect patients..."

Whether it's Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Food or Big Agriculture, every large and powerful corporations gets away with murder because laws are never properly applied to them. BP is destroying an entire ocean -- and the livelihoods of millions of people -- and will probably get off with a large fine and a slap on the wrist. In two years, it will all be back to business as usual, polluting the oceans, destroying life and ignoring safety rules and regulations once again while the American people suffer.


More dangerous than terrorists
Corporations are a greater threat to our lives than terrorists. That much should be clear by now: When corporations poison our food supply with toxic chemical ingredients; when they poison our bodies with fraudulently-marketed pharmaceuticals; when they poison our oceans with careless oil drilling... they are threatening our lives and our livelihoods. They are destroying the only world we know, and they are proving themselves to be far more dangerous to our collective future than any terrorist organization.

The real terrorists, it turns out, have "Inc." after their name. And if we really want to go after the terrorists who present a clear and present danger to our health and lives, we must rise up against the corporate machine that now controls our media, our food, our sick-care system, our patents, our elected officials and our energy. We must gather our forces to make legally-justified citizens' arrests of those at the top who are responsible for these atrocities against nature and the People. We must unite out of a common desire for survival against the corporate criminals who are destroying our very futures as we speak.

We must seek the aid of the local Sheriffs, Constables and community law enforcement officials who would join us in making these arrests, and then we must march on the corporate headquarters of these criminal corporations, right through their front doors and into their corporate offices where arrests will be made at gunpoint.

And why gunpoint? Because corporations do not respect law, nor ethics, nor morality, nor compassion towards others. They only respect one thing: force. So we must reluctantly use force -- backed by the common sense of common law -- to make these corporations stop destroying our planet and our livelihoods. I'm not saying we march in there and shoot them; I'm saying we march in and arrest them and bring them to trial in local courts, with local jurors who can make local commonsense decisions about what to do with these criminal corporate executives.

The feds cannot be trusted on this. We must deal with these corporations on a local level, with the widespread support of the everyday people whose lives are being destroyed by these corporations.


The extinction of the human race
This is more than just holding corporations accountable for specific crimes such as poisoning the Gulf Coast; it's about our very survival. We're not merely talking about small, local damage to specific regions or industries here -- we are talking about the possibility of the extinction of the human race.

If the world's powerful corporations are allowed to continue operating as they have done, they will destroy our world and cause the collapse of human civilization. We cannot survive when suffocated under a cloud of chemical toxicity, financial fraud, genetically-modified seeds and widespread environmental destruction. Corporations are incapable of acting within the guidelines of long-term sustainable living. Their power and reach are now so great that they have the capacity to destroy modern civilization (which is quite fragile already).

Rest of this excellent article with cartoon here: (Very good read/know who your real enemy is)
www.naturalnews.com...

reply to post by AllexxisF1

ALL the oil companies we allowed to drill because they told the U.S. Government that if a catastrophic blow out were to happen they would be able to contain all the oil with little to no damage and stop a leaking well.

All the oil companies were allowed to drill because they pay in the form of campaign contributions and lobbyists (bribes) hugh sums of money to almost all our politicians, judges, president etc - in other words.

THE BANKS, OIL COMPANIES AND ALL THE LARGE CORPORATIONS OWN THE PLANET.

They are above the law. We the people serve them, they do not serve us.

We, the people will be punished harshly if we so much as think of breaking one of their "laws" again, "they" are above the law.

BP is a good example, mass murder on a grand scale of both humans and sea life with barely a slap on the wrists.

But he who has the gold gets to make the rules.

If I were in Vegas right now, I would gladly cash in my remaining chips and go to another casino.

Problem is this is our only ball of dirt and there are no more casinos folks.

Wow... there is a lot of hand wringing and unintelligent nonsense on this thread.

The moratorium was illegal... if that matters to anyone. It was also unnecessary. The primary component that failed was the BOP. That is not part of the rig. Actually the primary component that failed was the BP "company man" that ignored SOP.

It sounds like a lot of you people think that DWH was some kind of pilot test for drilling in deep water. It wasn't. There have been numerous deep water wells drilled without incident.

For all you GOON's ... Get Off Oil Now... please... please lead the way. Take yourself away from all things petroleum and get back to us on how it's working for you. I'm not sure how you would do that... but please do get back to us so we can do the same. Be a pathfinder. Let your light guide us (after you are successful).

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You said it all.

This is what the government gets for sleeping with the enemy.

Nothing more to add.