Mexican Cartels Threaten U.S. Police in Arizona

War on Drugs is one of our biggest failures, legalize and it will all go away, oh wait it is to lucrative for our government.

reply to post by boondock-saint

Where are they gonna get all those
American M-16's except from the CIA ????

Well America is the largest exporter of Arms still without the CIA and their BS.

This is something that plagues me on this site, and its that when people see something like this they assume that the government is suppose to do something... well they did, and they are.

They supply the weapons, the training, the coups, and then they wait to see what will happen. Have we NOT learned already that this is the way to divide and conquer? This is a school yard fight by far. If there was a threat, an actual threat then we wouldn't bother to say, what are they going to do, we need to arm ourselves. This is already won, and just in case you didn't know, we are NOT the winners.

This has been happening for to long, follow the money, this is their funding, this is their way to get more projects, and more DHS money, we give it, and we give for free. We don't bother to say, hey, how did you get that? Where did you get that training? How did you get that map? Nothing, because we ask the wrong questions.

Here are some answers IMO, they want us to fight, to beg for rights and security that we have ourselves given. Our enemies are not from the Mexican border, but the United States border, and until we realize this, we can never be free.

reply to post by monkeySEEmonkeyDO


Not likely considering training involves dedication and hardwork

Originally posted by Aquarius1
War on Drugs is one of our biggest failures, legalize and it will all go away, oh wait it is to lucrative for our government.

Well, that sounds good in theory.

Look at Brazil...prices of drugs there are very low, there isn't as much money to be made...

Guess what the criminal gangs do there for $...

Kidnapping. Assassination.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for legalization of drugs. But I do know that these cartels will switch to whatever brings in $$ if drugs are decriminalized. Take away their money and they will resort to whatever they can to keep the income flowing.

We just need to be prepared...

reply to post by Tharsis


You make a good point, and while I am normally not very big on class distinctions, as I think class warfare is as bad as the so called "war on drugs", statistically speaking, it is the poor who seem to create such a demand for drugs. By removing the profits made off of the poor from the cartels, if it was kidnapping they turned to, this then in effect makes the problem of cartels one of a rich man's burden, which is more than likely to get the proper government response than say a poor man's burden; statistically speaking.

It is arguable that the 18th Amendment was written with the express purpose of giving criminals an industry so they would organize and better control themselves, and to be sure, the so called "war on drugs" only began after the 18th Amendment was repealed. However, the thin blue line between cops and thugs, and the always insistent gray line of politicians is the real reason there is no serious effort in repealing the dubious and in all likelihood unconstitutional drug laws, not the fear that repealing these laws would only increase crimes like kidnapping, or some form of slave trade.

Insurance companies don't insure drug users and their stash, most drug users can't afford body guards, or private security, the rich can and will certainly increase their kidnapping insurance policies, and beef up their security. However, if free market principles were applied in the spirit of a free market, it is arguable that the cartels wouldn't have to change careers and could simply keep doing what they are doing. The only difference is that in dealing with their competitors they would have the luxury of torte law, and could sue their competitors rather than kill them.

reply to post by Exv8densez


Blow boosts your confidence through the roof. Maybe thats how they get it. Its addictive so they keep doing it, selling it, all the money makes them feel powerful, almost unstopable.

At least Arizona is doing one thing right.

Starting later this summer, U.S. citizens 21 and older can begin carrying a concealed firearm without a permit in Arizona.
www.azcentral.com...

This should make it interesting for the cartels if they tried something in Arizona.

WOW!

It's amazing that things have gotten so freaking Bad that even Americans no longer feel the need to blame Mexico for it's problems and instead turn to actually putting some blame on their own Government and the CIA!

You guys are starting to sound like a bunch of Mexicans.

That's good.

But seriously folks, now that you guys are on a roll here lets try to think clearly about this for a second. First of all now that Arizona is being blackmailed (no pun intended) by Obama, and a nice little door is being opened for the Cartels, what makes you think the Cartels would screw up this wet dream by attacking the Cops in your country?

I really want to see all these press conferences the Cartels are giving to the News with their death threats.

If I had to guess I'd say your Cops are making this crap up because they are scared crapless they might have to face the cartels somehow....

More updates

www.foxnews.com...

"Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News.

The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time. "

Perhaps this ties into another article posted on ATS about a large section of Arizona that is not secured? If this is the case, why have the police not raided these lookouts yet? More people need to start putting their foot down, and with the laws Arizona recently put into place, I figured it'd start there.

Originally posted by ANNED
At least Arizona is doing one thing right.

Starting later this summer, U.S. citizens 21 and older can begin carrying a concealed firearm without a permit in Arizona.
www.azcentral.com...

This should make it interesting for the cartels if they tried something in Arizona.

Unlike the US our local news papers and news channels love to show bloody crime scenes. I have seen loads of pictures of murdered men with their gun still in their holster. It's not like your going to stand back to back, take ten paces, turn and shoot.

Americans need to realize that a firearm may be a good thing to have but it isn't a guarantee that you are going to walk away.

Originally posted by Izarith
If I had to guess I'd say your Cops are making this crap up because they are scared crapless they might have to face the cartels somehow....

The police should not have to go to war with cartels that have more firepower. Going into a fight with a 9mm, a tazer, pepper spray, and a baton is nothing compared to military style firearms and equipment.

The government should have secured borders and they should be patrolled by military.

If nothing else let the public and police band together and start securing the border the right way since the government fails to do so. Let the people that are faithful to the U.S. go to war and protect their land. Screw DC we no longer need them.

Raist


[edit on 6/22/10 by Raist]

reply to post by Raist


Most police departments have got military assault type weapons (AR's & sniper rifles). They also swore an oath to uphold our laws...
Just sayin...
Police and civilians working together in an equal capacity is a fine idea. But I don't know if they will back off their power trip.

[edit on 22-6-2010 by jeh2324]

reply to post by el_madmaster


This is not really an update, this is not News. this has been the way things have been for a long time on the Mexican side of the border.

The News is is happening on the US side now, and I would say you are right it is happening on that scrap of land the other ATS article was talking about.

But Keep in mind that you have waring cartels, I don't think the cartels have any intention of fighting US police or border patrol since they know that they are ordered to stay off that land, I think they are just protecting it from another cartel they are at war with.

Only the US Military have the capability to engage these guys, Your Cops and local population should not try to unless it's a full army of locals. But keep in mind also that this will make the local population a new enemy to these thugs. Not a good idea if you ask me.

I'd say that if your government is blackmailing you, Blackmail Your Government and offer cooperation with the cartels with a blind eye in exchange for non violence and protection of your border from illegal immigration and other cartels. This is the way it was done in Mexico in times of peace....I'm just stating facts here nothing else.

You can defend the border, arm everyone and place your land mines.

There is money to be made, and a lot of it, they arent going to stop.

Beef up the border, yes. Hire more agents and give them shoot to kill authority, thats good too.

But this isnt going away until Mexico wants its people to stop breaking into the US. They make far too much money in kickbacks and bribes, so thats not going to happen.......Hit Mexico City with the Air Force, and I think we might get their attention and get this insanity over.

Good luck AZ, Im pulling for you.

reply to post by Raist


your cops in America should not have to do a lot of things. But your Government is not doing much to prevent this.

If things get worse and The People of Arizona choose to fight the drug war for it's Government. you will see the headlines you see in Mexico on your news stations.

I'd say any reaction from the people of Arizona is planned by your government. Even the future impeachment of Obama might be all part of the plane. It's really does not matter what actor you have as president, they are all the same puppets.

Try to think outside the box on this one because playtime is over.

reply to post by jeh2324


As I said though, the police are out armed and armored. The only reason the police have the fire power they do now is due for the most part to a bank robbery/standoff/shootout that took place many years ago when the bank robbers had AKs (I believe) and body armor.

Regardless if they have ARs and sniper rifles (which by the way only work if you have time to take proper aim) it is no match for most of the weapons being used by the cartels today.

If it keeps up though we will have police, National Guard, and civilians working together to fend off the enemy. After that, I say the public take over protection of the borders full time, I also suggest the public get back in office in DC, screw the full time politician scum. As for the power trip you have to remember the police are nothing more than normal people, you have to change the public before the police can change.

Raist

reply to post by Izarith


I have never said that the president was anything other than a face for those who run things. Each and every one of them are nothing more than a scapegoat.

If things keep up we will hear more about Mexico in the news you are right about that. The reason you will hear more though is eventually the people will get tired of things not being done and will take things into their own hands. I would say that the border towns in Mexico might even see an influx of armed Americans shooting anything that moves near the border. It is only a matter of time.

Raist

Ok, first off for the record the m-16 the cartels use come from members of the Mexican army who join up. You see they steal their weapons and bring them with them. Second if the US is the biggest supplier of weapons in the world I'd like to see the evidence. The gun angle is misdirection.
Now as for Izarith's statement about US citizens not being able to deal with the cartels is only half true. Lota of folks you don't want to irritate are getting pd off at this. The cartels might find themselves the victims of "terrorist" acts before too long. One guy with a high powered rifle and a good scope who knows what he's doing could seriously impede their operations. Now imagine what a group of those people could do.

reply to post by Raist


I'm sure what you say is true.

If only Americans had the balls to fix their evil empire instead of using sniper scope to shoot Mexicans this world would not be to terrorised by America.

But hey this Rock is hell so the devil will always win.