"For All Mankind" What is in this Criterion footage?

reply to post by theability


It's Pete Conrad of Apollo 12 talking during the footage. Thanks for the comment, and glad you like this thread

I found this thread here on ATS from a few years ago:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Scroll down to Mikesingh's post--it appears to be a similar tower, but I'm unsure of the coordinates.

Could this be the same tower? If so, the footage presented in this thread is far superior...

reply to post by Overtime


Sweet!!

Apollo 12 cool. Now we need to get some HIRES imagery of the area and find this mystery out.

Thanks for replying so quickly.

reply to post by Tharsis


Wow, I forgot about that but I have seen that. This is getting more interesting by the minute.

reply to post by Tharsis


I don't think it could be Copernicus crater, which is what mike Singh had posted.

From the Lunar data maps the crater is about 150-180 miles away, from the AS12 landing site.

reply to post by Tharsis


Cool, I'd say thats a different one. The base is wider than the criterion tower. Good night all, I'm going to sleep...will dream of the moon...I will pick this back up in the morning before I go to work.

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I got this DVD headed my way , Ill capture a still from the DVD mpeg and see what it looks like... Interesting, when you make a few thousand mile trip in a car you don't haul any non necessary items with, let along a huge tower, when your driving there in a space capsule.

Really amazing find!

Here is HIRES Lunar orbiter Imagery of the Apollo 12 landing site:

3.01239° S latitude, 23.42157° W. longitude

LO3-154-H2d

i have the blu ray...heres a seq of images...

cld it be something to do with the "flare"...

used the last image in the sequence to illustrate...

looks like its coming out of the ground... like a pole

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Also looks like it is casting a shadow to the right on some of the pics.

I think what we are seeing here is the flag pole, before the flag was put on. Remember, Neil was already on the surface by the time Buzz stepped off. He is the one that set up the camera, to get that good shot of the lander, and Buzz comming down. I would imagine he set up the flag pole as well. You can see in the high res images, it extends below the horizon. It is just a few feet beyond the shadow of the lander, and about 5ft. tall, not 400ft, out on the horizon.

The flag was suspended from a pole anlong the top. There may be some kind of connector on the top, giving it that bulbus look. Also, going from deep black to the light soil color can cuase the colors to bleed and distort the image.

reply to post by Zeta Reticulan


exactly what i was thinking, even without the image enhancement
seems a little, aaah, obvious, no? and i'm not usually much of a sceptic...

reply to post by Overtime


It looks like a picture of the flagpole prior to the flag being put on it. Just wierd lighting effect. Kind of looks like you can see the pole in portions of the shadow. Also looks like approximate location of flag as I remember.

I wonder if the anomaly could corroborate the anomaly in one of Luna Cognita's videos on youtube of the Russian snapshot of the dark side of the moon.

His (or hers) presentation is a still shot that backs out (early in the film) of a protrusion-like artifact that is shaped similarly to this artifact. I'll see if I can find it.

Why was me edit eaten?

*SIGH*

HERE: 1:04 in the film shows a similar anomaly: link

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Added a bit of contrast and darkened it and you can clearly see it has a shadow,
so although a good find, turns out to be something quite normal

cheers


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Hi boys and girls...

Interesting thread. Suprised you guys have not seen this one before.

I realize there are some that poo-poo on Mr. Richard C Hoagland, but this is "old stuff" he covered years ago on his website, ...

enterprisemission.com

He goes into ALL of the anamoloies on the Moon, Mars, other solar bodies....almost to the point where you can't read it all. If you haven't been there, it is a vast and I mean VAST website and archives going back 15 years....way back to the good ol' days of C2C and Art Bell.

Sometimes it is fun to be one of the oldest students in class... bon apetite.

"Tower" Explained

The "tower" that is causing all the fuss in the background image is very, very easily explained and is certainly nothing to get excited about. It is merely a combination of chance camera angles, spatial geometry, and planetary conjunction. Using conventional U.S. Air Force, Office of Imagery Analysis, we can determine the following facts:

The baseline perpendicular angle of the camera shooting the pictures is relatively high (to the J34 thruster nozzle appearing on the lander side) 87.33 deg vs azimuth of (range of motion) -15.01 deg to +9.87 deg for the period of -15 seconds of artifact (Q1) appearance to +15 seconds after it last appears; thus we are led to the next fact . . .

The solar luminance angle/position is only 9.4 degrees azimuth at a relative angle of 235 degrees (from behind camera), THEREFORE what was photographed is clearly:

A plume of lunar swamp gas (LSG) that is obviously in the ascendant phase and passing right in front of the distant planet Mars which is exceedingly bright owing to the very low relative angle between the sun, mars and LSG.

Plumes of LSG were problematic to early moon travelers but thus far the only real obstacle they have ever posed is to staff in the NASA press office who quite wrongly chose to ignore the phenomena in lieu of coffee breaks.

So, everybody can now relax, get on with life and all that.

One thing I notice on 9:46 is the illuminati symbolism in the diagram. A triangle with a little line going across the top to suggest the eye. There may be others - I am just starting to look for these things. (Am I going mad? Lol!) I don't know what this might mean - but it's there.

I would be very interested to hear a reverse speech audio of the commentary.