Toxic Rain in North Carolina????

Since I noticed leaf damage here in Western Quebec over the past two weeks or so, I have been watching plants to see the progress. First a white spot appears, then this turns dark brown to rust colored on the outside of the spot. Then the center of the spot dies and leaves a hole. On maples, the whole leaf turns to look like it was burnt and falls off. Bought a more accurate Ph kit today and rain is 4.5. Damage is across the scale of plants and not localized near my home.

Originally posted by SimplyGord
Bought a more accurate Ph kit today and rain is 4.5. Damage is across the scale of plants and not localized near my home.

Normal rain according to the EPA has a PH of about 5.6 to 6.0 so a PH of 4.5 is definately acid rain... at that level of acidity it can kill trout, crayfish, amphibians and mollusks. It's effect on plants aside from the damage it causes to the root system and the beneficial bacteria in the soil is that attacks the waxy outer layer of the leaves and leaves them wide open to diseases and yes, insects.
This seems, at least at first glance, to be consistent with the damage we're seeing, but I just don't know if it's related to the Deepwater Disaster or not. They are burning massive amounts of crude there, so it's not something I would dismiss out of hand as North Carolina gets alot of moisture from teh Gulf of Mexico.

I would love to see the OP's PH test results though and after reading up a little on the subject I htink I'm going to be testing the rain here as well.

Several images for comparison....

Originally posted by justadood
So, have you provided any evidence other than photos that look like insect damage yet?
I'd love to see a water test, or even a lab test of one of those leaves.

why don't you read the thread.
It is apparent something is attacking
and killing plant life. There are numerous
posters here who have shared their stories
and pics as well and even a PH test done
in Canada with a 4.5 PH result.
It is Acid/Toxic Rain !!!!

The biggest questions we have to ask
ourselves is WHERE did it come from???
and HOW do we stop it ???
If we don't, it could mean disaster
for all of us.

I got to reading up on some studies about Methane as an alternative energy source and somewhere in there I read some studies that suggested lowering the PH of the environment could be helpful in reducing global warming by curbing the reproduction of the microbes that produce methane. I hate to say it, but it makes me wonder if there isn't something to this whole chemtrail thing after all, 4.5 is pretty hair raising.


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Originally posted by twitchy
I got to reading up on some studies about Methane as an alternative energy source and somewhere in there I read some studies the suggested lowering the PH of the environment could be helpful in reducing global warming by curbing the reproduction of the microbes that produce methane. I hate to say it, but it makes me wonder if there isn't something to this whole chemtrail thing after all, 4.5 is pretty hair raising.

problem !!!
what good is an alternative energy source
if that source kills off all living things???

and another point I'd like to note here:

What good would an evacuation of the
Gulf Coast do??? You cannot outrun
toxic rain. It's been noted all the way up
to Canada. Where are you gonna be
evacuated to????

reply to post by boondock-saint


Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm far from advocating methane hydrates as a source of energy. Honestly, I think mankind belongs in tribal patriarchy and agricultural harmony with their environment. It really hit me when I learned that some newer cars are being equipped with heated seats. There's people in the world tonight who don't have a damned thing to eat, and we're worried about the temperature of our buttocks. The price tag of progress is the planet we walk on, and this disaster is a symptom of our disease. The native americans scoffed at our concept of owning land, and I think they were probably right to do so.

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Originally posted by boondock-saint
It's been noted all the way up to Canada. Where are you gonna be evacuated to????

But can we be sure that the acid rain in Canada is related to what you saw?

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by boondock-saint
It's been noted all the way up to Canada. Where are you gonna be evacuated to????

But can we be sure that the acid rain in Canada is related to what you saw?

valid point .....
no we cannot
but the symptoms seem to be
pretty universal. so it's a start.

reply to post by boondock-saint


The problem is that we do not even know if all that oil being burned or on the water is the cause of those symptoms, and if those symptoms appear in other areas (that I suppose are not affected by the weather in the Gulf of Mexico) then we may be seeing the results of something else that is going on unnoticed.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by boondock-saint
It's been noted all the way up to Canada. Where are you gonna be evacuated to????

But can we be sure that the acid rain in Canada is related to what you saw?

valid point .....
no we cannot
but the symptoms seem to be
pretty universal. so it's a start.

the 'symptoms' also appear to be similar to common, yearly pest and fungal problems

still waiting to see something other than photos that arent 'proof' of much.

post the rain-water sample tests?

anyone??

still nothing in Western North Carolina from what i can tell pr have heard, although we do have the typical, everyday, every year leaf damage shown in some of the images. I actually called around the other day to other farmers. No reports. My partner has been asking folks at the farmers market: nothing.

i know, it pisses you off i dont agree with you and am asking for tangible evidence, but the flaming and name-calling is childish.

i'd be interested to see the evidence yo u claim to have... still waiting...


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Do people really have such a short attention span?? must be ytv or something
In the past Month we also had released into the atmosphere and AWFULL lot of GASSES as well as ash. from a Volcano in Iceland, some of those gasses can they cause Acid Rain?
I remember not that long ago, 15-20 yrs ago, we here in Canada had an Acid Rain problem with some Lakes up North. Iforget what the final reason was for it at that time, I think tptb blamed ozone layer? anyone else remember?
Oh ya and HAPPY CANADA DAY

Originally posted by SimplyGord
Since I noticed leaf damage here in Western Quebec over the past two weeks or so, I have been watching plants to see the progress. First a white spot appears, then this turns dark brown to rust colored on the outside of the spot. Then the center of the spot dies and leaves a hole. On maples, the whole leaf turns to look like it was burnt and falls off. Bought a more accurate Ph kit today and rain is 4.5. Damage is across the scale of plants and not localized near my home.

would like 2 point out 1 point is ALOT it doesnt seem much but it is, i believe thats 10 or 100 times more acidic, any experts??
does anybody know when the acidity becomes high enough 2 burn human skin??
and also 4 people who say we dont know if its from oil.WAT else could it be?? I mean really..

[edit on 1-7-2010 by icecold7]

[edit on 1-7-2010 by icecold7]

This trouble with plant damage here in the eastern Ottawa river valley is new and just developing. Can watch more and more plants being affected every day. Acid rain was a problem some years back and was blamed on polution being brought up by winds from industry along the Ohio river valley. This is a farming area so anything that hits crops to any extent will be heard. We are a long way from the Gulf and it would seem unlikely that disaster would affect us. But who knows. "The solution to pollution is dilution."
An aside on the deep water disaster: From a northern perspective this story is pretty much gone from mainstream. As if looking at other things will make it go away. I have to search news from southern papers and news channels to find any mention.
Lemon juice has a ph of about 3.2

Originally posted by SimplyGord
From a northern perspective this story is pretty much gone from mainstream. As if looking at other things will make it go away. I have to search news from southern papers and news channels to find any mention.
Lemon juice has a ph of about 3.2

We should expect the MSM to silence this info
if it was truly a bad thing as Obama doesn't
want to scare folks into chaos. But a RT video
I just saw shows the toxin levels about
1,000 times normal in the air drifting northward.
So as long as the wind blows,
it gonna follow the wind
wherever it goes

Originally posted by icecold7
would like 2 point out 1 point is ALOT it doesnt seem much but it is, i believe thats 10 or 100 times more acidic, any experts??

That's true, each point in the PH scale shows a difference of 10 times more or less acidity.
(but I'm not an expert, I am only looking at an old chart that I have )

does anybody know when the acidity becomes high enough 2 burn human skin??

Considering that lemon juice is 2 on that scale, I think somewhere near 1 would be strong enough to damage the skin.

and also 4 people who say we dont know if its from oil.WAT else could it be?? I mean really..

The world didn't stopped because of the oil, everything else is still working, and this is a great excuse for someone that wants to spread some pollution while people blame the oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

PS: please don't use numbers instead of words, for someone like me, that does not speak English in their everyday life, it's hard to understand what you mean, I had to read your first sentence three times to understand its meaning.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Things may be moving north, but that doesn't mean that they will keep on moving to the north until they reach the pole.

What happens, for example, with all those tropical storms and hurricanes from the Gulf of Mexico, do they end up in Canada? As far as I know, no, they move north but they move mostly east, and some even reach Europe (here in Portugal we think that 90km/h winds are a big storm ), so I suppose that should be the path that any resulting pollution from the Gulf is going to take.

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Things may be moving north, but that doesn't mean that they will keep on moving to the north until they reach the pole.

maybe not the pole
but something is causing this
and it isn't coming from the farm.
Some more follow-up pics to
make your stomach turn.
These pics were taken in the last hr
and uploaded by me.

here's a potted Evergreen bush --- completely dead left in the rain

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/feebc219e38e.jpg[/atsimg]

here is a pear from a pear tree -- see how the toxins attacked
the top of the pair and the leaf beside it.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5151e5256ad6.jpg[/atsimg]

here is some peaches still attached to the limb

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/063d5f0918f7.jpg[/atsimg]

anyone care for a fresh plumb ???

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/790775bf658d.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Toxic Rain in North Carolina????

We had a hard rain today and I thought I would go
out under the shelter and eat my lunch while it was
raining cuz I love to smell the rain during afternoon
showers. It has rained here in NC about 6 times
in the past 2 weeks. Except this time I noticed
something a lil different.

There was a stench, foul odor to this rain that
didn't sit well with my stomach. I didn't think
too much about it til I finished my lunch and got
up and looked at the plants, shrubs and fruit
bearing trees and bushes and I noticed something
that turned my stomach even more. I could not
believe my eyes. I grabbed my camera and took
some photos for you to take a look at.

I do not know for sure what is causing this
but there is something peculiar. The leaves
most exposed on the top of the plants and shrubs
were most infected or burned. Some leaves
even had holes burned all the way through
the leaf. Some plants were attacked through
the stem and killed peaches, plums, cucumbers,
and tomatoes. These plants are dying and there's
nothing I can do about it. And the fruit is dying
along with it.

There seems to be a color coding associated
with this attack. The freshest attack comes
in white, then as it burns it turns yellow
and then it turns black and dies or eats
a hole through the leaf or stem. So the colors
are:

white 1st stage
yellow 2nd stage
black 3rd stage

I have never seen this before and I have
lived on a rural farm most my life.
Maybe somebody else has a clue but
my opinion it has to come from the rain
which is why the leaves on top are attacked
first.

Then I wondered if this is coming from
toxins from the oil spill or whether it
is coming from chemtrails. You be the judge
for yourself.

Let's discuss

First stage white (infestation)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0ff96bd3af8d.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c4b0611e00fa.jpg[/atsimg]

Second Stage yellow (burning)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/acecbd9ebcdf.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e0bb034f57bd.jpg[/atsimg]

Third Stage black (death)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d9841741b0b3.jpg[/atsimg] See the dead peach above from where the stem was attacked. The peach turned black.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e073a8b85f8d.jpg[/atsimg]
This stuff eats right through the leaf over time. That's toxic.

I saw the TV footage of the MS Bottom crop loss and they
had white stuff on their crops but it didn't have a follow
up story so I do not know if their's turnned yellow
afterward or not. I had no idea that it
could travel all the way up to NC. I don't even know if
this is related to that incident or the Gulf Spill. But I
suspect it does. My father has been farming for most of
his life and he has no clue what this stuff is and neither
do I. Your thoughts ???????????

BENZENE and SULFURIC ACID - or some sort of acid -

What ever it is, it oxidizes and is also probably dioxin rich + god knows what

Your tissue is not much different than those leaves, all cells, this crap eats the cellular membrane which allows for quick oxidation and cellular death.

Sorry man, BP has visited + air pollution

[edit on 1-7-2010 by Janky Red]

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reply to post by Janky Red

wow, some were just saying it
was a fungus. But why would the fungus only
attack on the top and leave the bottom???
Beats the heck outta me. I'm scratching my head