People, we went to the moon and you KNOW IT!

All of this garbage about whether we went to the moon is horse-**** and you all know it. The evidence is ABSOLUTELY clear that this happened, and is beyond ANY reasonable doubt.

Why do you guys find it useful to you mentally to pretend otherwise?

I don't think it's about whether or not we went to the moon anymore. It's about what they found there and what we were shown/told about the moon.

IMO that's what it is.

I believe we went, I just think the footage shown was faked.

~Keeper

reply to post by Truth1000



Couldn't your extremely well though out and beautifully articulated post just be added to one of the hundreds of threads about this topic?

It's not like you've said anything worthwhile or something that merits its own thread.

[edit on 19/6/10 by blupblup]

reply to post by Truth1000


I don't know about you buddy, but I have never made it to the moon yet. I have never been to Spain either, but I've been to Oklahoma.

the Americans landed, helped by the Grey. The small Moon module did not have the fuel and power to lift off the Moon, unless helped by futuristic tech, or unless the moon is not a solid body with expected gravity.

Here is Bob Dean's extremely rich video presentation, with authentic Apollo 13 photos bought by the Japanese and released that way, showing clearly miles long alien ships traveling next to Apollo.

All the other insiders...it is a shame we have been held in dark for so long! While there are bases much farther. Populated not by us, humans. Perhaps the moon is the base for our enslavement in first place. Shame, shame on US governments for all that silence, all those years! Shame they do not have the courage to go forth now when they are for 20 years the superpower N1! We don't need the Arab oil, because we humans control zero point energy - the earth elite controls it. And so many other things. Are they actually humans at all, the world elite? Shame! Alex Collier is right while saying "they are not us anymore", we humans are ruled by a foreign power, reptilians or controlled by them humans.

NASA bombed someone on the Moon, in the South Pole rich on artifacts, according to ex-NASA scientist Hoagland enterprisemission.com. There was no water plume as expected, despite all the frenzy to watch the unique experiment. Did finally the US govt realize the reptilians inside the moon are the real enemies? That the humanity has one common enemy outside? Reagan said it in his famous alien speech in the UN. Let Obama find strength to name the enemy, and not to mess the enemy with the friendly ET!

I think we have only weeks to wake up.




[edit on 19-6-2010 by Gliese581]

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Gliese581]

Normally I would agree 100 percent.

But I have suspicions. they could have simply fired Apollo, without a crew.
controlled from earth. landed the lander, and then launched the capsule back to Earth.

That thread, with the australian, kid makes me wonder about the whole thing.

It wasnt even about space exploration, it was all propaganda. and to show off what they can do to the russians. I think one of the messages was, if we can land a rocket on the moon, we can land one anywhere on earth, with great accuracy

I think Russia would of called out the United States if they really did fake it. Russia was monitoring the missions.


This guy didn't know about it.

reply to post by Truth1000


I have always said they went to the moon but with better techs, and they where there before 69.

You people got it backwards, they did go but they are hiding the techs they used.

Someone PROVE to me that Christopher Columbus actually existed, and was not a lackey for a secret advanced society that already had underground bases for the rapid development of a new society on North America.

Anyone can CLAIM anything, but you really need to look at the FACTS!

I completely agree.

There are so many important matters, conspiracies and tragedies to contend with, why does anyone bother with this "moon landing" conspiracy?

Pick your battles, folks. Choose wisely.

reply to post by MRuss


Exactly, the moon thing is something you should not care about as we have been there but its far more advanced than we will know.

reply to post by blupblup


Yeah not sure this required it's own thread. However now that you brought it up, has anyone read about the parallels between the moon missions and the film the shining. I read a piece recently about how the great Stanley Kubrick used loads of imagery in the Shining to convey hidden messages about his involvement in faking the moon landings, or at least the footage. Too be taken with a pinch of salt obviously but it makes for good reading, and made me want to watch the shining again to check it out.

Couldn't find the article I read,
but here is an ATS thread,
by an interesting fellow named Skeptical Ed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

1) Yes, we DID go to the moon, but that doesn't mean...

2) Some or a majority of the footage was fake (or could've been)

The evidence is ABSOLUTELY clear that this happened, and is beyond ANY reasonable doubt.

Not in agreement at ALL - not saying I subscribe to the 'conspiracy side of the house' either, but that's a bold, unprovable statement.

3) It is highly likely that the Germans were there as much as a quarter century ahead of us.


Despite the incredible/exponential advances in technology since the 60s/70s, explain our complete abandonment of moon projects, please.

Thanks, in advance.




[edit on 6/19/2010 by SquirrelNutz]

Think of the facts.

The Germans developed the V-2 rocket, and launched over 1,000 onto England. If they had been able to increase the speed of the vehicle to over 12,000 MPH and carry enough fuel, that would have been the first intercontinental ballistic missile, and they could have struch the U.S. with such a rocket. That never happened. It wasn't until 1955 that a speed over 15,000 MPH was attained. That was with the ARMY's Redstone project's rocket, overseen by Werner von Braun. That was why President Eisenhower shut down their program - because he wanted the Navy's rocket to be the first in space, because they were NOT using Nazi scientists. Then, in 1957, the Soviet's Nazi scientists launched Sputnik, and the U.S. was behind. As similarly bad decision led to the Soviets being the first to launch a man into orbit, which led to the U.S. decision to go for the moon, leading to the Apollo Project.

If the Germans couldn't even hit the U.S., how could they have even orbited, requiring 17,000 MPH, much less attain a lunar insertion burn, requiring 24,000 MPH?

Nice "theory" of the Germans going to the moon, but completely contradicted by the scientific facts.

THAT is the point of my thread. Look at the scientific facts and the moon landing is a scientific fact. All of the arguments about whether stars were in the pictures are also clearly understood, if you know about the scientific facts behind how pictures are taken, how light from stars travel through space, etc.

There ARE REAL GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACIES OCCURRING AS I WRITE, but there is obviously more interest in other "theories."

reply to post by Truth1000


Do not care what you say, america went to moon before 69, with better techs, than we know.

Its a fact that loads of techs are made and hidden from us.

No one on earth talks about mind control, but it is here. Who knows how advanced mankind really is?

Okay, if the US went to the moon beforehand, where did they launch from? Anyone who has seen a space launch will realize that it isn't something you can easily hide.

Where were the techology elements tested? What scientists were involved? Where did the funding come from? How did both the Soviet and other world radars/astronomers/military observers completely miss the vehicle, regardless of the technology involved, en route to the moon and on the return flight?

I could go on and on, but the questions apparently don't relate to your level of advanced knowledge concerning the physics and technology of spaceflight.

The fact that it isn't useful for anyone to pretend other wise, should be as strong indication of the fact that it is not obvious. Question everything,
especially authority. The fact that there can be a question is the beginning
of disbelief. Not being able to answer any or all said question/s with a believable response is finality of that suspicion.
Suspicion grows like a weed.
It's really a wide open truth right now. You can blame that on the fact that certainly corruption and deciept is a possibility. technology makes both even more ascertainable. You can't blame people for their suspicions.
Remember suspicion comes from every walk of life.
I see it as a good thing.

I have no problem with suspicion and concerned questioning.

What I have a problem with is when people persist with beliefs that are simply not viable. There are people who still claim the Earth is flat. Is there ANY scientific basis for that belief - no! Is there clear and indisputable evidence that there is a scientific basis for the belief that the Earth is round? ABSOLUTELY! Yet those who chose to promote those beliefs do so, I believe, because they either have some form of mental illness or simply choose to do so to be argumentative to those around them, which is probably indicative of an underlying neurosis, or even a psychosis, that leads back to the first option. Of course, some may do it just for fun, but these people are not true BELIEVERS.

I believe in lies and conspiracies, and they are rampant around us. While some may choose to take a light-hearted approach to peripheral issues, that is fine, for them.

I have serious concerns about lies and conspiracies that are behind many of the problems that affect our daily lives, world politics and even conflict, and the economics that causes difficulties for families and some people to be unemployed when they want to be working. To me, these concerns are important. If I take these things too seriously for many, I do not intend to apologize until I have made a difference.

At the beginning, I had great hopes for this website, because I saw some people who appeared as serious about the REAL conspiracies as I am. It now seems those numbers are much smaller than I originally thought. I am now trying very hard to ascertain if there is a sufficient number of like-minded people for me to do what I need to do here. If so, in the near future I will be bringing forward a supply of information that will draw untoward interest to me by those in authority. If I must find another site, I will do so.

I do not intend to inhibit anyone else's free speech, but I do feel it is my obligation to tell what is really going on. What I know will be added to by others, who will be stimulated by my efforts, and perhaps we can actually make a difference in what our Government does. This was, after all, one of the primary reasons for the Freedom of Speech in our Constitution.

reply to post by Gliese581


From where do these crackpot notions arise?? :shk:

Americans landed, helped by the Grey. The small Moon module did not have the fuel and power to lift off the Moon...

'Project Camelot', and Bob Dean?? You are aware Dean is a bit woo-woo, correct?? A mere internet search, and a look at what other things he claims confirms this.

What stood out to me was his 'beliefs' about the so-called "Nibiru"

I mean, this is fantasy stuff, folks...merely accepting what those crazy blokes spew, about the "small Moon module" for instance, is being willfully ignorant. (And, Apollo 13 and "miles long alien ships" Give me a break!)

Spreading such nonsense is almost criminal...because it is NOT difficult to research and study, properly, to get the facts.

Perhaps a visit to our local library might be a good start.....

....this isn't Ham the Chimp, but he/she might be a distant relative:

(Ham lived to be ~26 1/2...)

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[edit on 19 June 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by Gliese581
the Americans landed, helped by the Grey. The small Moon module did not have the fuel and power to lift off the Moon, unless helped by futuristic tech, or unless the moon is not a solid body with expected gravity.

Here we go with this, again. What makes you think that the ascent stage of the Lunar Excursion Module didn't have sufficient thrust to return to lunar orbit? Would you, perchance, like to back that up with some math? I'll settle for a citation from a website, if you don't have the training to do the calculations.

Here is Bob Dean's extremely rich video presentation, with authentic Apollo 13 photos bought by the Japanese and released that way, showing clearly miles long alien ships traveling next to Apollo.

Let me fix that for you. Here we have Bob Dean blathering on for 30 minutes without saying or showing anything concrete other than a comparison of the airport restrooms at JFK and Barcelona, Spain. There may have been something worth seeing in the last hour of his monologue, but I can only sit through so much.

If there's *anything* in that speech that has actual meaning, could you do us the minor service of providing a "Cliff's Notes" edition?

Yes, I snipped out the rant about zero-point energy and the non-human elite. Let's stick to one conspiracy at a time, shall we? Seriously...when you're putting forth a contention that requires mankind to totally rewrite our past, doesn't it seem like a good idea to show some facts?