Sick of the BP bashing

First off, let me make absolutely clear that YES I do agree this is a disaster of epic proportions, secondly NO I am not standing up for BP as a whole, mistakes have been made and resposability should be taken.

However I am getting so sick of every 3rd post I read with people going BP this, BP that, BP's fault. People, lets be honest, YOU drive cars, YOU eat food, YOU use computers, and all at the lowest price possible.

YOU demand oil, YOU demand cheap oil. So in the grand scope of things, this is your fault, our fault, my fault.

As we say in Holland, where people chop wood, woodchips scatter. Stop beeing a finger pointer and blaming this all on BP. Yes they made mistakes but mistakes are bound to happen, nothing is failproof. We as a race are responsible for this disaster, not one single co-orpiration.

While I do think BP is responsible and despicable, its not because they made a mistake, what so many are missing is obamas responsiblity and as my theory goes, both are complicit in a crime more epic than the spill.

I take part of my theory, from part of Glenn Becks and others alluded to theories, I am just adding to them and the facts they presented

Of course this could all be coincidence, but it is getting harder and harder to believe in coincidence.

As many of you may have known, in the "Stimulus" package, obamas cronies included some number of billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.

and guess who owns at least 90 million $ worth of Petrobras (Brazils oil company)? Why Geroge Soros of course.

So obama makes a statement a few months before the oil rig disaster which makes it look like he has softened his stance on offshore drilling. This was just pre-emptive cover of course so that it looks like he could never have been complicit "What, hey, I said I was for it, remember".

Now I am not saying they blew the rig on purpose, but they may have, and if so I am sure they did not intend the disaster that has befallen us, they probably figured it would be stopped and cleaned up quickly. It may have been intentional but quickly got out of hand, or it could have all been a coincidental "gift" to obama, soros, BP, etc.

Then a number of high rollers sell a ton of BP shares before the "accident", rig blows, obama now declares, he has no choice, we need a moratorium on U.S. offshore drilling, but remember "he has to, doesn't want to , but has to".

He makes a "deal" with BP, (who by the way is in on the Cap & Trade Scam, they are all partners) for the paltry amount of 20 billion. It makes obama (to the ignorant and naive) look like he is socking it to BP, but really its a small a small price to pay for cap & trade.

The conversation at the meeting the other day goes something like this;
Obamas & handlers,: "Look, we need to make this look good, you (BP) are going to pay out 20 billion to shut up the cry babies, but don't worry, thats peanuts to what we are going to make off C&T" BP:"Ok, sounds good" They sit around for another 18 minutes yucking it up, and 20 minutes later, they emerge from the meeting stern faced (all theatrics), having made amends and obama has "taken control of the situation and made BP pay"

Meanwhile these rigs are not going to sit idle, the owners will pick them up and move them down to Brazilian waters. 6 months from now, obama and his crew will say, "ok, I suppose we can resume some drilling, but unfortunately, we don't have the resources (oil rigs) to do it right now, so wah wah, wahhhh. So all that oil is now being produced by Petrobras (again a majority owned subsidiary of George Soros's evil INC), all the Americans working on those rigs and processing plants, all the periphery support jobs, ALL GONE.

Oh, and to top it off, now we MUST enact cap & trade legislation, because we see how dangerous fossil fuels are.

Not only do they destroy the U.S., they make a killing while doing it!!! More and more I think this IS all about bringing down the U.S., not to level the playing field so to speak, but to make a fortune.

Can't even you obamabots see, this is one HUGE criminal scam. They make money off Brazilian oil, Money off Carbon Exchange, and Tax Money off us to keep their power train rolling!!

WHEN THEY HELL ARE YOU DWINDLING NUMBERS OF OBAMA WORSHIPPERS GONNA GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

another greenpeace guy trying to make a point and feel like you make a difference

the reality is that EVERYTHING in our lives is based on oil, everything directly or indirectly

plus, oil gives profit to a lot of rich people, they wont stop using it until there is not a single drop left, so, it doesnt matter what you do, what you research ...

I dont know if you realize that our world is controlled by some people, and while they dont decide its time to change, we will still live in the petroleum era

Originally posted by Tunedbeats
First off, let me make absolutely clear that YES I do agree this is a disaster of epic proportions, secondly NO I am not standing up for BP as a whole, mistakes have been made and resposability should be taken.

However I am getting so sick of every 3rd post I read with people going BP this, BP that, BP's fault. People, lets be honest, YOU drive cars, YOU eat food, YOU use computers, and all at the lowest price possible.

YOU demand oil, YOU demand cheap oil. So in the grand scope of things, this is your fault, our fault, my fault.

As we say in Holland, where people chop wood, woodchips scatter. Stop beeing a finger pointer and blaming this all on BP. Yes they made mistakes but mistakes are bound to happen, nothing is failproof. We as a race are responsible for this disaster, not one single co-orpiration.

The problem with your logic is that you are saying the human race is also to blame. Well, since there are only humans in this planet, that goes for everything.

All the erros, all the evil, all the flaws, anything bad that you can find that is man-made, you can say it's our fault, because we as humans allowed it. Which makes that argument pointless, because it is obvious.

But if someone murders your daughter one day and at court he says he is not the only one guilty, but every human being is also a murdered, like him, because he is a product of our own society. We made him like that. If there were no guns, he wouldn't have shot your daughter. If there were enough jobs. If there were enough food. If there wasn't so much violence, etc etc etc.

I'm sorry, but using the human race as scape goat is not gonna cut it.





[edit on 18-6-2010 by henriquefd]

Originally posted by Tunedbeats
First off, let me make absolutely clear that YES I do agree this is a disaster of epic proportions, secondly NO I am not standing up for BP as a whole, mistakes have been made and resposability should be taken.

However I am getting so sick of every 3rd post I read with people going BP this, BP that, BP's fault. People, lets be honest, YOU drive cars, YOU eat food, YOU use computers, and all at the lowest price possible.

YOU demand oil, YOU demand cheap oil. So in the grand scope of things, this is your fault, our fault, my fault.

As we say in Holland, where people chop wood, woodchips scatter. Stop beeing a finger pointer and blaming this all on BP. Yes they made mistakes but mistakes are bound to happen, nothing is failproof. We as a race are responsible for this disaster, not one single co-orpiration.

Hi Mate..

I don't think it can be defined as a mistake by BP, this was a conscious decision to reduce costs by cutting corners and not following the best safety protocols.

Im a proud Brit, i served my country with pride and yet i still say bash away fellas




[edit on 18-6-2010 by Skeptic4Sale]

Originally posted by Tunedbeats
YOU demand oil, YOU demand cheap oil. So in the grand scope of things, this is your fault, our fault, my fault.

Please stop using this excuse... most of us who complain the loudest would LOVE for nothing more than for all oil to be wiped off the planet, a long with all machines reliant on oil.

It's not like we have a choice. If you think a minority of awake people are going to make a difference by completely distancing themselves from all things oil-related, your a fool.

Until the mindset of the majority changes, our reliance on oil will not change. One of the only potential benefits this tragic disaster gives us, is the potential to bring upon this change in mindset -- and I'd personally love to see all the "BP bashing" in the world if it helps to make things finally happen.

[edit on 18/6/10 by Navieko]

just ignore posts you don't aggree with

peace

[edit on 6/18/2010 by indigothefish]

reply to post by Faiol


With a signature like that I would have imagined that you realize very little if anything at all actually needs to be based on oil. But never mind what I have to say, I have been branded an MIB by another fool on this board.

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Oooh but I'm no greenpeacy guy as you call it, far from it. I love my oil. Didn't you notice I clearly referenced to myself as well?

What I am saying is, its bullcrap to keep acting like its someone's fault. Do you all seriously believe you can harvest this much oil that we are using and never ever have a disaster? Oil disasters have happened throughout the years, and they will continue to happen. Its part of the game, accept it but stop thinking its only one company to blame, thats what annoys me.

Unlike most of you at least I can look at myself as well instead of shoving everything into someone else's feet.

Originally posted by Tunedbeats
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As we say in Holland, where people chop wood, woodchips scatter. Stop beeing a finger pointer and blaming this all on BP. Yes they made mistakes but mistakes are bound to happen, nothing is failproof. We as a race are responsible for this disaster, not one single co-orpiration.

So, being in a life, where we are oil dependant, who should we blame? We are what we are, but the fact that we are where we are, should be blamed on corporations who made us dependant, and make huge amounts of money off of us.

We are all set up patsy's who see what is what, now, with this huge disaster caused by a corporation, who helped make us oil dependant.

Finger pointing is appropriate.

By the way, do you own a vehicle, that you depend on for transport to work, or any other feature of your life?

reply to post by Tunedbeats


Just because I eat bread does not make me responsible for what happens at the bakery.

Expounding on that does not validate transfer of responsibility.

reply to post by Tunedbeats


Don't come to this forum.. that will solve your problem!

Maybe BP would not have had to cut costs had they not been so generous with funding so many of their Green Bedfellows.

"According to published reports, major enviromental advocacy organizations that accepted major gifts from BP in recent years include the Nature Conservancy, the World Wildlife Fund, World Resources Institute, various branches of the Audubon Society, the Wildlife Habitat Council and others." source: washingtontimes.com

So...where are these fair weather "green friends" now? And why would they accept funding from major polluters?

BP is not the ONLY entity to blame, but they are largely to blame. That's why everyone is so upset with them. They have continued to increase their profits while cutting their costs at the risk of danger to us.

Yes, we are to blame for using the products. Each one of us needs to evaluate our plastics use and make some serious changes! My husband and I have already started.

Refuse to use plastic bags, water and soda bottles and look at plastic as poison. Be aware of non-renewable petroleum products.

Petroleum Products List

Yes, the government definitely carries some blame for its lack of response, but I'm not ready to believe that they played a part in this... Yet.

Originally posted by henriquefd

Originally posted by Tunedbeats
First off, let me make absolutely clear that YES I do agree this is a disaster of epic proportions, secondly NO I am not standing up for BP as a whole, mistakes have been made and resposability should be taken.

However I am getting so sick of every 3rd post I read with people going BP this, BP that, BP's fault. People, lets be honest, YOU drive cars, YOU eat food, YOU use computers, and all at the lowest price possible.

YOU demand oil, YOU demand cheap oil. So in the grand scope of things, this is your fault, our fault, my fault.

As we say in Holland, where people chop wood, woodchips scatter. Stop beeing a finger pointer and blaming this all on BP. Yes they made mistakes but mistakes are bound to happen, nothing is failproof. We as a race are responsible for this disaster, not one single co-orpiration.

The problem with your logic is that you are saying the human race is also to blame. Well, since there are only humans in this planet, that goes for everything.

All the erros, all the evil, all the flaws, anything bad that you can find that is man-made, you can say it's our fault, because we as humans allowed it. Which makes that argument pointless, because it is obvious.

But if someone murders your daughter one day and at court he says he is not the only one guilty, but every human being is also a murdered, like him, because he is a product of our own society. We made him like that. If there were no guns, he wouldn't have shot your daughter. If there were enough jobs. If there were enough food. If there wasn't so much violence, etc etc etc.

I'm sorry, but using the human race as scape goat is not gonna cut it.





[edit on 18-6-2010 by henriquefd]

Agreed, and good point However I still feel its so irrelivant to keep nagging at BP for this. If it wasnt BP it would be another company, something like this was bound to happen, is all I'm saying. Perhaps i was a bit too short in my OP.

In the grand scheme of things, as I said yes they should take responsabilty, but at the same time I feel its so incredibly pointless to be all "WAH WAH BP BP YOU SUCK" because as the end of the day, # like this is gonna happen, if not BP, Shell, or some other company. Which again boils down to my original point, # happens, stop looking only at one company for this disaster.

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Oh my god , another BP hugger .

One more time , listen carefully ... the spill WAS NOT my fault . There are two or three existing threads that say the same thing as you are saying so , I don't see why you felt the need to start a new one .

If you dig deep enough , and do your research , you will find that somewhere in the course of your daily life , you are benefitting from technology which was developed by scientists from nazi Germany .

This , by your reasoning , means that you are responsible for the holocaust .

How would you be reacting if it was your beautiful little country that was facing what we are here in the U.S.?

Originally posted by Morpheas
reply to post by Tunedbeats

 

Don't come to this forum.. that will solve your problem!

What kind of weak response is that? I mean just because I feel its rediculous to see everyone constantly nagging BP this BP that and disagree with and am sick of reading the same tune over and over I shouldn't come to the forum as a whole? Please.

Originally posted by Tunedbeats

Originally posted by Morpheas
reply to post by Tunedbeats

 

Don't come to this forum.. that will solve your problem!

What kind of weak response is that? I mean just because I feel its rediculous to see everyone constantly nagging BP this BP that and disagree with and am sick of reading the same tune over and over I shouldn't come to the forum as a whole? Please.

I would have to say it's a proactive response, and it empowers you to remove this trouble from your daily life. Just dont read what bothers you and you'll shed less tears while offering the neighbors a little more silence.

(you looked hungry i gave you a flag)

[edit on 18-6-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


In all fairness it's impossible for me to know beforehand what words are in a reply when reading a general Oilspill thread.

But ah well, I regret making this topic now, I opened up way too hostile which honestly wasn't my initial thought when making it, and im enjoying the fruits of that now I can see. Having a # day and venting that on a forum = a bad idea as usual. Lesson learned.

Thank you

reply to post by Tunedbeats


Like several people have pointed out, threads for distaste of BP haters already exist.

Add to an existing thread. We don't need more crap from from people who deny, that the fault goes to a company who could have put in a $500, 000 dollar part to avoid this disaster.

The finger pointing is more than appropriate, knowing they cut corners to benefit from people like you, who use oil also, and the rest of us!