Aliens Do Not Exist!

Originally posted by Tryptych
This is pretty much the conclusion I've become to.

There's simply NO evidence firm enough to prove anything true or false. More or less everybody on the UFOlogy field is either a fraud or a skeptic without any evidence. I would even say that most people who get called "skeptics" or "debunkers" are the BIGGEST believers. They just don't want any BS, they want proof because they want to know.

From even a layman scientific perspective, why is there so little evidence of extraterrestrials? Wouldn't it be way more probable that we WOULD have met some of them? I've said it before and I say it again: this whole setting raises some pretty odd questions about the existence of ourselves.

If the universe is swarming with life, they're doing a REALLY good job at hiding.

you need to do alot more research...there are military and government files that come right out and say that there is unexplained phenomena that have been documented flying up in the skies of earth. these are not crazy people that took cellphone pictures.

because you have not taken the time to research the evidence, and it is not on CBS, ABC, NBC during the news hour, does not mean there is no evidence...where is it you say??...start with the FOIA documents on this site. you are simply ignorant, and opening your mouth proves it.

if you're waiting for it to be handed to you, as i suspect you already do with everything else, then you will remain ignorant.

[edit on 30-6-2010 by jimmyx]

[edit on 30-6-2010 by jimmyx]

OP, If this is true then how are the tptb profiting from all this?

Follow the money...Your theory promotes a dead end. If such tech existed then it would certainly be produced and put to market.

"The universe is far to vast for anyone on Earth to make any assumptions as to what could or could not be out there. The fact is our understanding of our own reality and the fundamental laws of the universe we live in, is tiny"

Agreed, centuries ago people had no idea about certain things such as microscopic organisms or concepts such gravity. Why are there numerous sightings of UFO'S? Why are crop circles found in virtually every nation? Even outside our western civilization. Why do most people that have been abducted report of similar experiences. Look, up people who have encountered aliens and they all tell a terrifying tale.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by cosmicpancakes]

Aliens Do Not Exist!

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Hi OP:

They do exist and they are here -- above, below and on this ball.. It's silliness at this point in time to suggest otherwise.
Iv'e been doing this EBE/UFO investigation for a bunch of years and wouldn't think twice about saying EBEs are not around our ball.

But they are, big-time.

Decoy

Originally posted by Decoy
Aliens Do Not Exist!

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Hi OP:

They do exist and they are here -- above, below and on this ball.. It's silliness at this point in time to suggest otherwise.
Iv'e been doing this EBE/UFO investigation for a bunch of years and wouldn't think twice about saying EBEs are not around our ball.

But they are, big-time.

Decoy

I find your username somewhat amusing.

Originally posted by Niccawhois
OP, If this is true then how are the tptb profiting from all this?

Follow the money...Your theory promotes a dead end. If such tech existed then it would certainly be produced and put to market.

It's not all about profit! It's about keeping you enslaved!

Even if I had never heard of a single person who claimed to have seen spaceships and beings from other planets in the universe I would have to say aliens do exist.
Things don't ever happen just once. If it happened here it will have happened again somewhere else.
The only thing that might make me doubt this postulation is a headful of propaganda which I fell for hook line and sinker that told me specifically this was not true. Perhaps as a child, in my formative years.
If that were the case then probably I would believe whatever was pounded into my head and throw probability out the window.

There are absolutely UFOs and only a great chance aliens are piloting them. I suggest you read Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs. You will learn about history of aliens and all the instances of sightings and government responses to each one. After reading that you will never say aliens don't exist ever again.

Here's my two cents:

I agree that 'aliens' do not exist, but not for the reason that the OP states (although those are valid points, nonetheless). I won't dive into into religion (I am a firm christian) straight away, as that will be incredibly unproductive and nothing good will come of it yet. Assuming the big bang is true (which I disagree with, but I will try and entertain your ideas for a while) then it is incredibly likely that life exists on other planets, I'm not trying to disprove that. What I am saying is that aliens almost certaintly haven't come to this planet.

I studied psychology for a few years, in that time I took particular interest in hypnosis, NLP and various things such as micro-expressions and lie-detecting. These skills have been useful to me in many places, and one of those places was disproving conspiracy theories. Examples include TV documentaries (I think I may still have one recorded on Sky+) where there was a man who claims to have been abducted and experimented on. He also claims that the aliens visit him regularly and has even recorded a video of one passing his window. Immediately one can tell that he is lying (too many signs to list them all, but some include: placing an object between him self and the person he is lying to, when 'remembering' things looking up and to the left (his right) and creating an air pocket between his lips and his gums/teeth (sign of him hiding something)), he also shows fear micro-expressions (fear of being found out), etc.

It also helped me to understand about how the human mind can be unpredictable occaisionally and will often fool people into believeing things that didn't actually happen. The human mind can suffer delusions that seem entirely real, hell, they've happened to me! Common causes for what people tend to think of as alien encounters are often lucid dreams, sleep paralysis, tricks of the mind or something else that is completely rational.

I also suggest that everyone reads Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis. It is a brilliant read that provides a brilliant insight into christianity.

reply to post by hornum

To put it simply, people who believe in Aliens are wrong and are being decieved by TPTB. Now you might say "I've seen one" or "I was abducted" and that is fair enough but where is the proof? or more to the point where is the proof they are aliens?

Lets use an example. If you witnessed a politician committing a crime, and they let you live, but used their technology and surveliance on you to hide the proof (and ETS, including the ones working with the black ops are way over FBI or CIA technology), do you think the person shouldnt speak up.

This issue is one where you need to find the proof for yourself, but it is happening to so many people that it is not a joke, its significant, and if you really seek and arent being driven by an agenda in your post, then you'll find. My posts and threads that you can search for on your own will show you, the correct way to seek. Because, taking a worldly attitude to skywatching will only get you abducted by greys and Vrill. We attract our vibrational/frequency state of beign. It takes love and awareness, and seeking an equal world to get good contact.

The good contact is not black op. The crafts my family have witnesses and had contact with were chased over and over again by choppers. The black triangles or TR3B's that flew out with the scout planes one day when I was sharing contact information online, don't hide in the least, they just fly out in plain site, even in early evening while its still daylgiht in the summer. They don't care who sees and discount everything people say anyway. And they seemed to know that my group wasnt theirs, or they wouldnt have been scouting for them.

ETS exist, and the universe is so much more interesting because its really all quantum physics. The ones recieving benevolent contact are form our family, they're ourselves from a different timeline as well. This is all a test, we're to strive for equality, love and awareness in others.

Just keep searching, Love & Light! I don't know if you're on an assignment or not with this thread, but theres is something in you, I can sense it, so you need to connect with yourself more, meditate, sungaze, search inside with questions like, who am I? why am I here? This issue is one of the diamonds in life, and seeking the diamonds out is more important than eveyrthing in the material world put together, but in this test of life, its all about free will and awareness.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Unity_99]

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by hornum

 

Because, taking a worldly attitude to skywatching will only get you abducted by greys and Vrill.

Please explain.

Those who believe ET's are visiting us from outerspace in their flying saucers etc are wrong. You are being decieved for a reason that many can not comprehend. What are witnessed as UFO's are from our planet. What are witnessed as ET's are engineered by humans.

you are the kind of person that think the world turn around yourself
and only what YOU see will define the real world ...
(exemple: if you dont see somebody getting shot .. that doesnt mean there is no killing in the world..) same thing with God,angels,ghost,alien to top secret technology
im sure they exist in some sort but are hard to notice
even with proof im sure you have difficulties
at realizing whats really going on
at first you need a journey in the pass of humankind(100000years to yesterday)
then you will realise whats going on in the present
to be able to realise what can the futur provide at the end

i have found recently Ancient Aliens (on history channel)
its a new documentary serie with all the visual proof you need
then maybe you will realise .. we are watched by beyond
you need to understand
that there is billions of earth like planet out there in the galaxy
do you really think we are the most advanced civilization that ever lived
we are all alone in this huge universe ?
this title of yours ALIEN DONT EXIST are insulting the human race
stop that
thanks you

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Oh no, thank you! For pointing out the proof! So naive!

Originally posted by hornum
reply to post by Ben81

 

Oh no, thank you! For pointing out the proof! So naive!

i didnt provide any proof ... just hope i can convince you
now its just speculation .. you made your own proof
when you will think ok thats the proof
is when you will realise something to be the real deal
you are making your own evolution of the proof
you will teach your childrens with that

what im telling you .. make your research ... question everything .. take both side of any story .. make theories
that would be a good start .. but concluding right aways like that ALIEN DONT EXIST is simply silly
everyone is naive .. because there is always 2 side of any story.. the group who say YES and the other who say NO
both are suspect to be naive

Originally posted by Omegastick
Here's my two cents:

I agree that 'aliens' do not exist, but not for the reason that the OP states (although those are valid points, nonetheless). I won't dive into into religion (I am a firm christian) straight away, as that will be incredibly unproductive and nothing good will come of it yet. Assuming the big bang is true (which I disagree with, but I will try and entertain your ideas for a while) then it is incredibly likely that life exists on other planets, I'm not trying to disprove that. What I am saying is that aliens almost certaintly haven't come to this planet.

I studied psychology for a few years, in that time I took particular interest in hypnosis, NLP and various things such as micro-expressions and lie-detecting. These skills have been useful to me in many places, and one of those places was disproving conspiracy theories. Examples include TV documentaries (I think I may still have one recorded on Sky+) where there was a man who claims to have been abducted and experimented on. He also claims that the aliens visit him regularly and has even recorded a video of one passing his window. Immediately one can tell that he is lying (too many signs to list them all, but some include: placing an object between him self and the person he is lying to, when 'remembering' things looking up and to the left (his right) and creating an air pocket between his lips and his gums/teeth (sign of him hiding something)), he also shows fear micro-expressions (fear of being found out), etc.

It also helped me to understand about how the human mind can be unpredictable occaisionally and will often fool people into believeing things that didn't actually happen. The human mind can suffer delusions that seem entirely real, hell, they've happened to me! Common causes for what people tend to think of as alien encounters are often lucid dreams, sleep paralysis, tricks of the mind or something else that is completely rational.

I also suggest that everyone reads Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis. It is a brilliant read that provides a brilliant insight into christianity.

Let me take your 2 cents and raise you a quarter. I think this view is just one persons perception of what is or is not happening around them. A view from your mind if you will.
And you stand with about 25% of the population on the planet. The other 75% do believe in UFO's and alien life including the Vatican. The Vatican just widens the extent of God's magnificence and reach to include alien species in the Christian fold.

Re: disclosure; perhaps it is this reluctant 25% the rest of us are waiting on?

With respect to your observations and regard for your own experience some of these people took those same psych courses, actually do hallucinate and dream like the rest of us and somehow they are still able to distinguish reality and observed phenomena from any hallucination they may be having.

Walter Cronkite,
Christopher Columbus,
Alexander the Great,
Dan Akroyd,
PresCarter,
Pres Candidates Dennis Kucinich and
Bill Richardson,
Astronauts Chase Mc Divot Ed White,
Gordon Cooper (who chased them for 45 minutes in an F86),
Edgar Mitchel, & Buzz Aldren,
Admiral. Hillenkoetter, Gov Fife Symington,
Lt. Gov Joseph Montoya,
Gov Brian Schweitzer,
Lt Col Chas Brown,
Lt Walter Haut,
Sgt. Clifford Stone,
The Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Hellyer(63-67)
FAA Supervisor John Callahan
Police Officers, Pilots, Staff at Atomic Missile Edwards Air force Base & 10,000 AZ residents saw the Phoenix Lights & Saucer @ OHare Airport ...

They are not just believers they claim to be witnesses - saw them for themselves. If you do not believe any of these folks, why believe in Christianity or anything anyone says without seeing it for yourself?

[edit on 4-7-2010 by rusethorcain]

reply to post by hornum


In addition to the experiences I've had since early childhood that include my family and now my children, have been on a search for answers, and had contact change from a mixture of negative/Vrill type, that was a base in my memories, involving greys and militia, and where the greys were constantly messing with my family and me roughly 3 or more times a week until very recently, and very clear communication with positive ets, nordics, who I recognize as Family, and who my son has also had memories of contact with, and all of missing time. The reason I'm sharing this is to show something relating to the 2 year search I've been on, the meditations that I did for hours sometimes each day, and my search for Higher Self and Higher Truths.

Even in negative experiences, I was protected and had a shift take place from this base, where I knew some frightening and negative things had occurred and that other children had died. Even thinking about the few brief memories I get makes me hit a screen, a wall, and I cant beyond that wall, but it also overwhelms me with panic. I had direct contact with a strong message for me to put this into perspective, from a group that some call neutral, that is acutally positive, that works in underground bases on this planet, that sometimes is seen as contributing to their black op projects, but in truth its a little different than that. They are akin to our UN workers here, cosmically and cannot directly interfere, consequently have witnessed horrible abuses of humanity by negatie ets/black ops/militia/nazis.

But, they have such advanced technology no one can take them off planet, and if one side is outbalanced, and too aggressive they distribute technology to the other sides here.
They're here because of us, we are family. Earth is a testing grounds for the cosmos and also some think of it as a prison, for some it may be, but its a school. Humans are cosmic in origin. While this planet is being run in a fascist way and for thousands of years has been controlled by negatives, nonetheless, as a school, there can not be a lack of FREEWILL, and choices, or the cosmos would take it back. Currenlty, even though negatively run, many lessons are learnt here. Though do no think that this is only possible in a negative system, lessons are learnt on many positive ones as well.

This group is responsible for the shifts in my memories where suddenly I recall different experiences.

I've had some really positive ones and have felt alot of people's energy in posts and recognize them as family and its really hard to explain, including the groupings of ETs, in the cosmos, and such things as Steven Greers Orion Transmissions which sent a very strong awareness/memories stirred, they are family too. The words, yes, dear ones yes, I hear you, came from me in a rush of happiness, but I don't know what was said.

I brought it up on Lowki's thread about being a Grey Alien, and mentioned to him about some memories where I have handed in reports to a very tall man with the name or term Rigel associated with him.

He spoke to a guide from the Orion Priesthood, and gave me an answer on his thread, and there was an energy signature off his message (this is something thats hard to explain unless you know what insight or psi is and remote view, sense people before they phone or show up, know theres an email waiting for you, that is all akin to energy recognition and energy signatures that you pick up like your other senses of sight, sound, etc) Well, I knew him, not sure how, but such a warm feeling of this guide being family came over me and I was jsut excited.

This is what I call positive contact, and this didnt even invovle seeing a craft. We've had lots of sitings of crafts as well.

You need to work at raising your frequency and caring about the world. All my life I have known this world was in bad hands, and millions/billions were suffering horribly. I have never believed in money, long before I ever heard of the Venus Project, I knew we could live like natives with upgraded hi technology and live very well and equally, that no one had to work for corporations as slaves. This is also what I mean, by being non worldly. Our frequencies attract like frequency. And if we're skywatching and looking out for contact but.......don't care about others, nature and the world, and support our leaders lies and matrix and control, then we're going to attract teh negatives.

I've had those expereinces, including the 3x a week ones, taken away from my family, and no longer experinces that kind of thing at all.

I have threads on waking up to source and manifesting eden, they're loaded with hemysnc and starseed music, dolphins and whale song, ho'onoponopono, a way of cleansing and realeasing karma. These things raise your frequency, sungazing too. In a hollographic universe, stars are the lazers that errect the hollogram, and they beam in the broadcast from the beyond for our reality/universe/school, so its a short cut for connecting to your Higher Self. Though don't worship the sun, we don't worhsip ourselves, this isnt a sungod religion. This is quantum phsyics/wierdness.

Its a big search but people need to be safe while they're on it, and progressing in love. If they're progressing, and they stargaze and meditate, most of them will recieve contact or when they ask to be shown a craft, they will appear.

reply to post by Unity_99

hard to explain unless you know what insight or psi is and remote view, sense people before they phone or show up, know theres an email waiting for you, that is all akin to energy recognition and energy signatures that you pick up like your other senses of sight, sound, etc) Well, I knew him, not sure how, but such a warm feeling of this guide being family came over me and I was jsut excited. This is what I call positive contact

I turned the TV off. My boss said "that is the strangest thing. I was just going to ask you to turn that off" He looked a little dumbfounded. "and earlier today" he continued "I was thinking of cantaloupe and when I came in Frank, (our chef) had the nicest ripe cantaloupe cut up with my breakfast"

Vinny can be a lovable fellow and an easy boss when he likes you and you watch him. Other wise here is a shyster of the highest order. No fortunate thing ought to happen to this man if there is any karmic justice in the universe so I was a little surprised too.

"And last night I was thinking of Gina and she called"

I remembered an envelope laying on the bed. When I looked at it and thought of Deb, Deb called. We make things happen?

I guess you can will things to happen. This is why people say to think good thoughts because you help create your own destiny I told Vincent ....apparently regardless of what you deserve. I thought but did not say that last.

A week ago I made simple syrup (boiled sugar) and left the excess in a jar in the cuboard. Yesterday- looking up kidney stones no sooner did I read "salt crystals that cannot pass the kidney" that I made iced tea and noticed the simple syrup had formed these beautiful snowflake shaped sugar crystals in the jar as if to reinforce the correct interpretation of the kidney stones.

It appears for better or for worse life just follows you along...like some kind of self actualizing hologram.

Aliens exist- From many different nations.
There are no extra terrestrials as we have no evidence.
UFOs exist- we cannot identify them.
Alien spaceships do not exist as we have no evidence.

Well, while I am still working on my new thread I would highly recommend taking a look at this thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is just some of whats going on and where the technology is coming from as I know this to be correct (mostly).

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