Masses are trained to think that Mundane and Mediocre things are all that Possible and Probable

You know why so many people all over the world are trained to think: "All that Possible, Probable, and Can happen (in real life) is all but Mundane and Mediocre things" and because of this Every single evidence of things like Aliens and UFOs, Gods, Angels, Demons, Ghosts, Ancient Super Civilizations, Cryptids, Technologies like Anti gravity and free Energy devices, and most conspiracy theories are dismissed as Mediocre Hoaxes and scams and this is really the biggest cause of Absence of Evidence, thus to make this worse, random Evolution, Man-Made Global warming, Islamic Terrorism, and so on are irrefutable facts even when the evidence of these are all but Hoaxes?

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Good thread OP and your right, TPTB who are in the know more than our hu-man brain can ever or will ever comprehend at this moment in time, run the shots, they do this through MONEY and FEAR and they peddle it everyday via the MEDIA everyday we are brainwashed without actually knowing it, its a very clever concept and this concept is only the tip of the iceberg.

I believe alot of what happens to us today in this world is because of MK ULTRA although some say they closed it down in the 60's I believe that there are remnants of these psychological experiments taking place to this very day.

TPTB are a machine and we are nothing but slaves to the nation.

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Good thread OP and your right, TPTB who are in the know more than our hu-man brain can ever or will ever comprehend at this moment in time, run the shots, they do this through MONEY and FEAR and they peddle it everyday via the MEDIA everyday we are brainwashed without actually knowing it, its a very clever concept and this concept is only the tip of the iceberg.

I believe alot of what happens to us today in this world is because of MK ULTRA although some say they closed it down in the 60's I believe that there are remnants of these psychological experiments taking place to this very day.

TPTB are a machine and we are nothing but slaves to the nation.

I has changes the Thread title and this is about worldwide conditioning of masses that makes masses think that all that possible in real life is Mundane and Mediocre things

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Good thread OP and your right, TPTB who are in the know more than our hu-man brain can ever or will ever comprehend at this moment in time, run the shots, they do this through MONEY and FEAR and they peddle it everyday via the MEDIA everyday we are brainwashed without actually knowing it, its a very clever concept and this concept is only the tip of the iceberg.

I believe alot of what happens to us today in this world is because of MK ULTRA although some say they closed it down in the 60's I believe that there are remnants of these psychological experiments taking place to this very day.

TPTB are a machine and we are nothing but slaves to the nation.

What's that Money, Fear, and Media?

I believe you are right. However, isn't the idea that "conspiracy" is holding us back just another example of tptb using mass dissinformation/ manipulation to control you/us?

Look at so many of the posts/replys here at ATS. People feel they are out of control and can't get ahead or succeed. As such, they have lost half the battle.

You can be anything you want to be. You can do anything you put your mind to...that is true.

Oh, yee of so little faith. If only we had the faith of a tiny mustard seed, we could move mountains.

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I certainly agree OP, the MSM expects us to swallow a lot of fantastical rubbish and arguments.
However, I find your dichotomy very broad on the conspiracy side.
Must we accept all these things from angels to alternative energy as true, just because the MSM often twists facts and spreads propaganda?
For me, if you wave one flag you support something, if you start waving three or more, then don't bother. You may like all those flags, but to anyone that sees you it looks like you stand for nothing really.
If everything is true, then you might as well say nothing is true.

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Must we accept all these things from angels to alternative energy as true, just because the MSM often twists facts and spreads propaganda?

Not Necesarily, some of things amongst that are wrong like: Flesh-and-Blood Aliens create Mankind and/or Life on Earth with Advanced technology instead Supreme god did the same with Supernatural forces, Conspiracy Theories that directly against Obama, Gods like Allah are Stupid alien instead Ethereal being, and pretty much anything that have to do with New Age

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You know why so many people all over the world are trained to think: "All that Possible, Probable, and Can happen (in real life) is all but Mundane and Mediocre things"

Honestly, Masonicon, I haven't seen this rationale anywhere but on conspiracy forums where it is necessary to make people believe this is the state of humanity, so that the evil conspiracies are made all the more threatening.

There are organizations, individuals, cities, entire nations dedicated to pushing the limits, achieving the impossible, and seeking what was once thought impossible or improbable.

Every single evidence of things like Aliens and UFOs, Gods, Angels, Demons, Ghosts, Ancient Super Civilizations, Cryptids, Technologies like Anti gravity and free Energy devices, and most conspiracy theories are dismissed

You need to try not to confuse "proven wrong" with "dismissed".

For instance, Epilepsy was once believed to be the cause of prophecy. Those who were Epileptic had visions and encounters with God. Modern psychology, and neurology came along and demonstrated the cause and effects of Epilepsy. So it was not "dismissed" it was "proven wrong".

The same with Hypnogogia and night-time abductions and encounters. And with hallucinogenic plants and seeing through this reality to the next.

Now, don't get me wrong though. I have an open mind, and accept the existence of spiritual phenomenon, and extra-terrestrial existence. I just don't believe this whole fear-mongering campaign to induce silence really exists.

No one has been "silenced", they've all silenced themselves, or research and inquiry has proven they were never where they said they were, doing what they claimed they did. The Philadelphia Experiment being an important case-study on that.

thus to make this worse, random Evolution, Man-Made Global warming, Islamic Terrorism, and so on are irrefutable facts even when the evidence of these are all but Hoaxes

Random Evolution does have evidence supporting it's existence.

The emissions testing, carbon-dioxide we release, and more does add to global warming. So we may not be the only cause of it, but were are certainly not helping solve the problem.

Islamic Terrorism is real. Study the backlash from National Draw Mohammad Day. Or the death-threats the creators of South Park, and the Comedy Central television station received. Watch Islamic videos on Youtube by users TheAmazingAtheist or Thunderf00t who have put themselves right into the way of Islamic terrorists to show the world that Islam contains archaic, out-dated religious ideals.

Just because the Truthers can't explain what something is in a grainy video, does not mean they can say it is something else without having to provide just as much evidence.



There's plenty of evil in the world, Masonicon. But there are a whole lot of good people too. Instead of trying to spread fear and paranoia because you think it gives your life meaning as a "government watchdog", why don't you rise up and join the good guys trying to unravel the complicated equation that is humanity and existence?

~ Wandering Scribe

Great thread OP, Yes this is true and one main factor that keeps many happy in their ignorance is alcohol.

If everybody was allowed to be free thinkers then where would be the under / working class. Societies would crumble and fall. TPTB know this and being controlled by fear is what they do, religions have done for centuries but the problem is now that people are waking up to the religions manipulation of man so TPTB have to keep control in another way.

TPTB achieve this by keeping the masses dump and drunk.

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Because of the Carbon Dioxide, Suicide Bombers were Go after those that Releases CO2, and why Every single evidence of things like Aliens and UFOs, Gods, Angels, Demons, Ghosts, Intelligent design and Creationism, Ancient Super Civilizations, Cryptids, Technologies like Anti gravity and free Energy devices, and most conspiracy theories are always dismissed and proven wrong while random Evolution, Man-Made Global warming, Islamic Terrorism, and other Mundane and Mediocre doomsday scenarios like Pandemics, Asteroid impact, etc and things like that are always Accepted and Proven Right.

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I'm going to be honest, I don't quite understand everything you said in your response to my post. However, what parts I can decipher I will attempt to respond to here.

First, I don't believe there is any evidence of a correlation between Islamic Jihad suicide bombers, and the American auto industry pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If there is, I would much appreciate if someone could show me it.

Alright, your list — aliens, UFOs, gods, angels, demons, ghosts, Intelligent Design & Creationism, ancient super-civilizations, Cryptozoic animals, anti-gravity, free-energy-devices, and conspiracy theories — falls into the "pseudo-science" vein so often for the simple fact that there remains no solid, conclusive evidence for any of it.

aliens: we've seen strange lights, and have personal witness testimonial. No one has ever caught, or released to the press the body of an alien.

gods: who's gods? Are they all real? Only some? How do you determine? If they are, why don't they disclose themselves? They're God, they've nothing to fear from us, they can annihilate us if they so desire.

angles/demons/ghosts: see "gods" above.

Intelligent Design: OK, who's intelligent design? Yahweh? Ra? Thor? Brahma? Who designed it all? Once you decide that, see "gods" above.

Creationism: see "intelligent design" above.

Ancient Super-Civilizations: if they were advanced, and so great, some remnant of their civilization would remain. Mesopotamia, a civilization built of mud and clay remains. Surely an advanced civilization using concrete or future material would have some remnant.

Cryptozoic Animals: this is hardly "dismissed", science accepts and readily seeks out these animals. They just never find them, ever, with all the most modern scouting, searching technology.

Anti-gravity: obviously, if it existed it would be being utilized. Same with free-energy. You don't see the G'ment hogging it all. It doesn't exist because it's not possible at this time in our species understanding of things.

Conspiracy theories. These get a bad wrap because historical, eye-witness, first-hand member testimony disproving many of these theories exist, and is widely available. There are real conspiracies, with real legitimate effects. But not every alternative theory is automatically true because someone says it's wrong.

We all need to learn to discern between fact and fiction.

~ Wandering Scribe

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Global warming and War on Terror: Irrational fear of Climate Change and Islamic Terrorism that taken to extreme by Al Gore and Dubya respectively and both Population reduction and Geo-engineering as well Mediocre renewable energy(the only acceptable solution for Global Warming) can more Pseudoscientific that Anti Gravity and free energy devices

The god is no other than Allah: the supreme being that far beyond everything that creates everything and the Gods(other than Allah) isn't more than flesh and blood aliens

UFO's and Aliens: you know the universe that we know and can see doesn't even make up 1% of the universe, but many scientists believe that the universe will end before the light from other side of the universe reaches us and to make this even worse, scientists are also trained to believe light is the fastest thing in the universe and the notion "Life is Everywhere" are also applies to the rest of the universe, plus for further info about Face on Mars and it's surrounding regions, They are simply too geometric to have fully natural origin

Ancient Super Civilization: Forgot about Mesopotamia in Favor of Serbian 3-side piramid near Sarajevo - Bosnia built 10.000 bc built out of a better material than modern concrete (super concrete, you can guess it build from "futuristic" material that lost and forgotten from ancient times) or Cities submerged into the sea on the coast of India, Pakistan, Cuba, Japan, south Anatolia(Turkey- ancestors of the Minoan culture) which flourished before the sea level rose after , you guess it, the end of the last ice age and countless other anomalies that found by Google earth.

Cryptozoic Animals: Science has found them, but they are just concealed from Documentary TV shows in Mainstream Media, some of them are just Real Life Superheroes(Superpower related)

Anti Gravity: They has been around for Decades, they are just suppressed by Global elites until much later even until long after the very last drop of petroleum is burned

Conspiracy Theories: many of them are just #load of Disinfo, but Do you hear medical conspiracies where Modern mainstream medicines are keeping illness for strangling people instead curing illness for saving people lives, that's why Pharmaceuticals are very profitable and Vaccination phenomena are just hampers people from using more that 10% of their brains and Virtually all of the Mainstream Media as well Multinational Corporations are hijacked by Profit Hungry Zionist Jewish Capitalists that caused more suffering and other miseries than anything else

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Global Warming has not induced enough fear where "population reduction" is becoming an issue. Not by a long shot. No one is proclaiming that entire nations worth of people, millions, need to be killed off to somehow prevent Global Warming. This is pure junk.

As for Islamic terrorists, they do exist. They are dangerous. But if the world stands up and says "we're not afraid of you" then they can't do anything to us. Simple solutions are often the best, Occam's Razor.

Allah eh? And what proof do you have that it is Allah, and not Yahweh, Krishna, Jesus, Brahma, YHVH, Ra, Thor, Thoth, Shiva, Anu, Baron Samedi or someone else? How do you know Allah is not really an alien and that Baldr is not the real God?



How could the Universe we know — meaning the whole Universe — only be 1% of the Universe? Are you subscribing to the densities and "lower" and "higher" astral theory? We know much of the Universe, but you are right in that it is always expanding. So we can never fully know it all.

Scientists are most likely right. Considering the Universe is in a constant state of expansion, light from the "other side" is constantly moving away from us, infinitely at that.

Life is everywhere. But "life" doesn't have to mean some futuristic advanced alien race with super-technology. Bacterium in water, small single, or multi-celled organisms in air and liquid. That constitutes life as well.



The face on Mars can be explained by Pareidolia. That is, the condition where visual or auditory stimulus are perceived as something else - a face in rocks, an image in clouds, or the like. In fact, visiting the Wiki page for Pareidolia you will find the Face on Mars is the topic picture representing it.



Mesopotamia was not an "advanced super civilization". Mesopotamian cultures (Babylonians, Hittites, Assyrians, Persians, the Jews, etc) were merely the first civilizations. Their advancements look astounding only because prior to them (the Ubaids) we were living in wandering nomadic bands, and small tribes.

Pyramids are not a representation of "super civilizations" either. A pyramid is a symbolic, religious structure. They represent mountains to Heaven, or the Afterlife. Pyramids exist in Egypt, in Mesopotamia as Ziggurats, in South America, and various other places all over the world. They're not a sign of a culture more advanced than ours. Only a more religiously theocratic civilization than ours.



As for the "material" being some kind of super concrete, no. It's certainly a more dense, and longer lasting recipe, but it's not some ancient marvel that will never be discovered again.

Also, it's all in the construction. The triangle/pyramid shape allows for different types of weight distribution than other shapes. That's the same reason the Egyptian pyramids have lasted as long as they do.

The elements cannot deteriorate them as easily as say, a rectangle home with no center support structure. Better architecture, not a super-civilization.



For the Google Earth thing, see my bit about Pareidolia. The same concept applies, like the High Planes Guardian, or Anubis in the Bay. You see what you want to see, not what is actually there.



It's very easy to just say "science found them, but they're hiding them". But it's a logical fallacy. There is no evidence that the Government — which employ upwards of half of America in one way or another — has done this.

Let me ask you this, Masonicon:

How hard is it to make one person keep a secret? You know, like Watergate.

How hard is it to make 3 people keep a secret? How about 5? Now, considering the Government couldn't keep 1 man from not exposing Watergate, how long do you think a secret facility full of Cryptozoic animals could be kept under wraps before another Deep Throat exposes it?

It's impossible.



Anti-gravity and free-energy apply the same way as Cryptozoic animals. All it takes is a single guy working there who realizes someone he knows could benefit from this and BAM disclosure.

It hasn't happened yet because it doesn't exist.

Also, if it is such a well-kept secret, how come everyone knows about it? It makes perfect sense to lie and hide something that everyone knows exists.

Next you'll tell me that the World Trade Center's still exist, that the Government Elites are just disguising them with futuristic cloaking technology.



Disinformation is actually a movement for exposing conspiracies and misinformation. Here, this is there website. They're a phenomenal group.

Obviously we've already learned how to cure Cancer. Right. Show me the proof Masonicon. This is all the same tripe every fear-mongering idjit for the past 70 years has been yelling at the skies. Cancer has no cure, millions of dollars a year go into finding one.

The 10% of the brain thing is a myth. If you'd like I could identify 100% of the brain for you, and what each part does. You use different parts for different functions, but all of it - from medulla oblongada to parietal lobe are used.



Seriously? An antisemitic apocalyptic fear-mongerer? You want to know why everyone fears the Jews and thinks they're some elite "evil" overlords?

1. They know how to manage money. Nazi Germany was rife with Jewish money-lenders who weren't suffering too heavily in the pre-WWII depression.

2. Their diets preach cleanliness, promoting health. So they don't die as easily, or succumb to disease as much.

Good health, little disease, good money skills, and the Diaspora which spread them to the four corners of the world explain all of the fear of Jewish people.

Your antisemitism sickens me, Masonicon.

~ Wandering Scribe

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Allah is the creator of everything, His creations are includes, but not restricted to: Angels, Reptilian Jinn, and Earthly creatures like Humans, animals, and Plants and all of it's creations isn't restricted to earth as earth is no bigger than grain of sand when compared to Milky Way

I has just too tired with Mundane and Mediocre explanations of unexplained things and Occam's Razor(core of conventional scientific method) are almost always ends up gives Mundane and Mediocre explanations over and over again

Everything is possible in real life, even the most fantastic ones, Occam's razor is totally bents against them and Oversimplification by Occam's razor isn't better than unnecessary complexity

For any info about Cancer Cures, check this link: www.cancertruth.net...

And when there's Zionism, Half of the Jews are against it and ends up killed by half Jewish Hitler and Hitler did that to makes the world Fear Jews makes Jews become Zionist or support it, and Zionism is Racism, plus trust me I'm not hate Jews

"Free Energy" term is quite misleading for me, but they may be a Silver Bullet for energy crisis and other problems in the world since they produces near-limitless amount of energy by poorly understood process where those energy are come from

And you can't trust Mainstream Media, Wikipedia, and sources like that anymore

Lastly Third Eye is indeed Pineal Gland where this part of brain are very sensitive to Earth's electromagnetic field and this is the source of people psychic/spiritual abilities that sabotaged by Vaccinations, Chemtrails, and poisoning in the food and water supply as they didn't seem to kill us

and I fears that CGI technology is really killed real UFO and Cryptid sightings


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People blow things off and believe a lot to be impossible because they always want "physical" proof to stand right in front of their faces for them to believe. Even now we're learning more about our planet and solar system that, not too long ago, was thought to be false but turns out true. One example would be the UFOs and those who either believe it or not. You do have "proof" with first hand accounts and pictures but the majority of people don't want to take it as proof and only wait for someone who they believe credible, so they're pretty much only waiting for a high up government official to say it is true. In the end, they're stuck waiting on when and if said official wants to say it. If they don't then they'll continue to believe it's all false even if it does happen to be true.

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You state that Allah is the creator of everything. That His creations include: angels, reptilian jinn, humans, animals, and plants. I'm going to call your bluff. I present to you this:

Ptah, the Egyptian creator-deity made mankind out of clay, mud, spit, and breath 1000s of years before Yahweh supposedly made the Adam Kadmon. This was upwards of 4000 years before God made Adam and Eve for the Christians, and almost 6000 before Allah even did anything.

Angel, meaning a "messenger from Heaven" date as far back as the Mycenaean empire. As well, the term a-ke-ro, meaning "angel" exists in Linear B, the language of the Sumerian people. Meaning angels are also 6000+ years older than Allah.

Djinni, which you call reptilians, are from the pre-Islamic Arab pagans who used to occupy the Middle East. They were simply wandering dust-demons who would grant wishes to hapless passerby's who happened to fall for their scheme. Again, more than 6000 years older than Allah.

Animals and plants far predate any gods. The whole Jurassic, Triassic, and such eras successfully prove that animals, plants, and the Earth existed before any human did. And gods are simply a construct of man, no man, no god.



Just because you're not satisfied with the mediocre explanation, does not mean the mediocre explanation is wrong. Existence does not revolve around you, and your thoughts. If the mediocre explanation, however mundane, is scientifically backed then it is the right explanation.

You can whine all you want about how it's "too simple" for your liking, and that there must be some invisible, omnipotent sky-wizard behind it. At the end of the day though, if the science can demonstrate it's validity, your lack-of-evidence for sky-wizard fails.

Occam's Razor simply states that instead of Poseidon hiding beneath the waves, rustling his trident around this way and that as the cause for waves, tides, and current; it is really just internal air pockets creating jet-streams, couple with the atmosphere, and it's own wind-streams causing the current.

Science, not mystical sky-wizards in the sea.



Some things are not possible in life. A square, for instance, cannot be a circle.

As well, I cannot cease-to-exist entirely while simultaneously existing completely.

Or perhaps this example would help you understand: a man cannot fly through the sky like the birds with just his bare flesh.

Perhaps you realize it is impossible to breathe in outer space without the aid of some oxygenation equipment?

Want me to go on, Masonicon? There are plenty of impossible things in this existence. Those were just a few of them. Furthermore, Occam's Razor is not oversimplification. It is just simplification.

If a simple answer does exist — the sun's rays are hitting my skin, which does not have sunblock, I will get a tan — then there is no reason to make it more complex — Allah is angry at me so He made the sun specifically more intense upon my own skin, causing it to fill up with evil "cancer demons" who have been eating the cells within, causing it to burn — because it is unnecessary, and it is wrong.



Alright, so you don't quite understand what, or how "free-energy" works. OK. Well, when you do, and you have evidence of it's existence, then we'll discuss the possibility of such a pipe-dream really benefiting mankind. Until then, I suggest you don't use examples of things you don't understand as "facts" for your arguments.

And you can't trust Mainstream Media, Wikipedia, and sources like that anymore

Why not?

For any info about Cancer Cures, check this link...

That's a scam, Masonicon. The testimonials are fake, the science is non-existent, the life-saving cure costs tons of money, there's a hook-line-and-sinker style approach. It's an infomercial for the internet.

I really hope you weren't naïve enough to fall for it.

Also, what makes this website trustworthy?



Zionism is the movement by self-determined Jewish peoples to reclaim Israel as the Holy Land for all Jewish people. There's not a "half-against, half-for" call to arms over Zionism. There's only those Jews who adamantly support making Israel a free Jewish state, and those who don't really care.

Zionism itself grew as a movement because of antisemitic peoples utilizing bigotry and hate-crimes against the Jewish peoples.

Hitler assaulted the Jews because of misaligned beliefs, and the aforementioned notice that the Jews were the most well-off peoples in pre-WWII Germany. Also, Hitler was crazy. Your argument doesn't really make much sense.

You call the Jewish movement to reclaim their Holy Land a racist action, followed by stating you are not antisemitic. This is hypocritical.



Ah, the old Pineal Gland thing. Show me the proof man. Oh, and watch out, the third eye, that's Hindu and Buddhist mate. Nothin' to do with Allah.

Plus, I've had all my vaccinations, and shots, and I take medicine, and exist in air-polluted places. Yet my psychic awareness is higher than it has ever been right now.

Your claims, like a bucket with a hole, holds no water.



Wake up people, truth is waiting, but you won't find it in fear-mongering and paranoia inducing ridiculous claims.

~ Wandering Scribe

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There's coverup that not as popular as conspiracy theories, but this coverup is far more important than any conspiracy theories and this is hidden inside all of us instead underground vault and this is a top priority when it come to the coverup that we seek, Meditation is one of way regain psychic awareness even after you got tons of vaccinations, and shots, and takes medicine, and exist in air-polluted places

Not every cancer cures other than Chemoterapy and radiation are scam

People are believed to think that All that possible and probable in real life is Mundane and Mediocre things to become drone for Profit Hungry Global Capitalists


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Originally posted by franspeakfree
I believe alot of what happens to us today in this world is because of MK ULTRA although some say they closed it down in the 60's I believe that there are remnants of these psychological experiments taking place to this very day.

Brilliant...I contend the exact same thing. Tech these days allot for the possibility of actually creating a means to control people remotely...while it is, for the most part, a situation that isn't viable for broad scale application...the experiments did and are occurring...

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So the Conventional "scientific method" is ends up as mere tool for censoring Independent Thinkers and Independent Thinking is what's makes Humans Human