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Originally posted by Conqueror of Seth
reply to post by mnemeth1
No one born in Hawaii can produce said "long form birth certificate" it is a physical impossibility.
Originally posted by justinsweatt
Here is the Birth Certificate.
Here are the questions regarding this document:
1) the document does not have a raised, embossed seal
2) it is not signed (take a look at your birth certificate and see if it has the signature of a physician or hospital officials)
3) there are no creases from folding in the scanned version above
4) the certificate number is redacted
5) the document claims to be a “certification of birth,” not a “certificate of birth,”
source
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are less expensive and more readily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time.[citation needed] Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration."
6) the date supposedly bleeding through the back of the document says 2007, not 2008, when it was allegedly released.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Conqueror of Seth
reply to post by mnemeth1
No one born in Hawaii can produce said "long form birth certificate" it is a physical impossibility.
What?
So now no one in Hawaii can get a birth cert with the doctor's signature and hospital name?
You expect me to believe that utter nonsense?
I can go online right now and Google a few hundred thousand websites showing exactly what a normal birth certificate from HI looks like right now.
Here's what a real HI birth cert looks like from HI for the time period Obama was born.
Note the doctor's signature and hospital name.
In fact there are several signatures and names.
Why are there so many signatures and names?
BECAUSE THEY ARE NEUTRAL WITNESSES WHICH CAN BE LATER VERIFIED TO CONFIRM THE BIRTH RECORD.
[edit on 16-6-2010 by mnemeth1]
Originally posted by justinsweatt
reply to post by K J Gunderson
KJ,
Don't just say "yes it does" like "yes we can". Back it up with a link to an external image that proves that there is a raised, embossed seal.
2) from the picture that you are providing of Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" , I see no signature. NONE. You know why that is? Because there isn't one.
Also, comparing your Live Birth record with Obama's seems strange to me unless you were born in Hawaii? Place of birth says "Monroe" on the scan that you provided. Wouldn't it be safe to assume that Hawaii doesn't have the same paperwork of the picture that you provided that is a certificate of birth from New York?
Each state is a little bit different. I'm also perplexed as to why you would even attempt to diffuse the argument here with a document from New York.
Last I checked, Hawaii could fit inside the state of New York, land mass wise but isn't actually in New York. We're talking about Hawaii here.
You do know that redacted doesn't just mean censored but can also mean edited right? There are those image experts who have looked at it and have commented that the numbers don't jive and it looks like it's been photo-shopped.
There is this which does have embossing and a signature on it.
Source
It reached new heights this week when the website WorldNetDaily said it had obtained a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Mr Obama. The right-wing website carried images of the certificate - allegedly issued by the Republic of Kenya on February 27, 1964, that says a Barack Hussein Obama was born in a hospital in Mombassa, Kenya, on August 4, 1961.
The ''smoking gun'' document had been obtained by Orly Taitz, an lawyer from California who filed an unsuccessful lawsuit in the Supreme Court querying Obama's birth. She also attended a law conference at which the Chief Justice, John Roberts, was speaking to urge him to consider the issue. She was escorted out by security guards.
The document soon brought howls from the liberal blogosphere. The website Daily Kos said Kenya, while independent in December 1963, did not declare itself a republic until a year later.
The hospital named on the birth certificate has no record of the birth, according to research by Daily Kos. Now even WorldNetDaily acknowledges that the Taitz document ''is probably not authentic'', according to its ''investigative operatives in Africa''.
Then there is the Executive Order that seals his records, including his birth records. Quite convenient for someone who is selling transparency, eh?
`Yes, We Can March off This Cliff.’”
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Conqueror of Seth
reply to post by mnemeth1
No one born in Hawaii can produce said "long form birth certificate" it is a physical impossibility.
What?
So now no one in Hawaii can get a birth cert with the doctor's signature and hospital name?
You expect me to believe that utter nonsense?
I can go online right now and Google a few hundred thousand websites showing exactly what a normal birth certificate from HI looks like right now.
Here's what a real HI birth cert looks like from HI for the time period Obama was born.
Note the doctor's signature and hospital name.
In fact there are several signatures and names.
Why are there so many signatures and names?
BECAUSE THEY ARE NEUTRAL WITNESSES WHICH CAN BE LATER VERIFIED TO CONFIRM THE BIRTH RECORD.
[edit on 16-6-2010 by mnemeth1]
I am left curious if any of you know the difference between then and now. You do know that was 1966, right? When I was born, they looked quite different than they do now in NY as well. So you must be saying that the only people that can be president are the ones who's mom did not lose their original? This is what they look like now.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/718f6b87603e.jpg[/atsimg]
Look familiar?
Originally posted by justinsweatt
The problem with that image is that it doesn't look anything like
So.....yeah. Great. We see what it's like now. Notice that the official version has a seal and the image first provided does not have a seal.
Also, from the second image that you posted, all of sudden it looks worn? Really? Come on.
Also, whenever the LT Col sued Obama claiming he was not commander in chief due to issues with the President's Birth, exactly why did the judge seal all of the records pertaining to the issue after the case was thrown out?
Wouldn't you want to print all of the documents in the paper across the world if there is no question and this really is bogus?
Wouldn't you want to print all of the documents in the paper across the world if there is no question and this really is bogus?
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by justinsweatt
I see. So you can not or will not produce any links to go with any of your insane claims but you demand I do (after I did.) So in response you just link to someone Else's questions? If you cannot think for yourself here and support the claims you make, ramble on. It makes birthers look good.
See if you can ask a legit question, understand the answer, and provide a link to your claims.
Anyone thinking there is a rational discussion here to be had is sorely mistaken.
Originally posted by justinsweatt
Each state is a little bit different.
Originally posted by BlastedCaddy
I still call BS.. back in 05-06 I had a hour plus convo with a Harvard professor in regards to Obama holding a seat in the IL Jr senate... Our main topic was how he being Kenyan born would hinder his future political career. This convo was fueled by a CT article maybe. It was in some major metro paper.... Probably an AP story tho. I can not remember.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
What?
So now no one in Hawaii can get a birth cert with the doctor's signature and hospital name?
You expect me to believe that utter nonsense?
I can go online right now and Google a few hundred thousand websites showing exactly what a normal birth certificate from HI looks like right now.
Here's what a real HI birth cert looks like from HI for the time period Obama was born.
Originally posted by justinsweatt
All they have done is put an official stamp on a piece of paper that has said "yes, I've seen. Just trust me. Now go back to sleep".
Um, no. Fail.