US, Israel 'enemies of Saudi Arabia'

US, Israel 'enemies of Saudi Arabia'

www.presstv.ir

The Iranian president says the US and Israel are trying to drive a wedge between Iran and Saudi Arabia, a day after Riyadh denied claims it will allow Israel to use its airspace to attack Iran.

"Undoubtedly, the US and the Zionist regime are the enemies of Iran and Saudi Arabia, so they are trying to create a gap between Tehran and Riyadh," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Sunday.

(visit the link for the full news article)

On Saturday, the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) quoted a Foreign Ministry official as denying a report by The Times that Saudi Arabia had agreed to allow Israeli jets to use the kingdom's airspace for an aerial attack on Iranian nuclear sites.

So The Times was lying about the report?

It seems that Saudi Arabia is saying they did not give permission to Israel for fly overs in order to attack Iran.

What kind of game is going on here?

Thoughts?

Another link claiming that Saudi Arabia is denying the allegations of giving the OK.

www.almanar.com.lb...

~Keeper


www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

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Maybe Iran's lying.

Have we heard anything from the Saudis? We have two conflicting reports comeing from both sides, but none from the Saudis themselves.

I'm not inclined to believe anything coming from Iran.

Originally posted by heyJude
Maybe Iran's lying.

Have we heard anything from the Saudis? We have two conflicting reports comeing from both sides, but none from the Saudis themselves.

I'm not inclined to believe anything coming from Iran.

Two news stories I found were saying they deny ever giving the OK to Israel.

I actually am more inclined to believe Iran, since they aren't running a propaganda campaign to wage war on another country, like the US and Israel is currently doing...

~Keeper

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That's funny as Hell.

Obviously Ahmadinejad is using political propaganda.

Either that or he knows nothing of the U.S. Government's relationship with the Al Saud family.

The Bin Ladens: An Arabian Family in the American Century

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Amazon Review :

The bin Ladens are famous for spawning the world's foremost terrorist and building one of the Middle East's foremost corporate dynasties.

Pulitzer Prize–winner Coll (Ghost Wars) delivers a sprawling history of the multifaceted clan, paying special attention to its two most emblematic members.

Patriarch Mohamed's eldest son, Salem, was a caricature of the self-indulgent plutocrat: a flamboyant jet-setter dependent on the Saudi monarchy, obsessed with all things motorized (he died crashing his plane after a day's joy-riding atop motorcycle and dune-buggy) and forever tormenting his entourage with off-key karaoke.

Coll presents quite a contrast with an unusually nuanced profile of Salem's half-brother Osama, a shy, austere, devout man who nonetheless shares Salem's egomania.

Other bin Ladens crowd Coll's narrative with the eye-glazing details of their murky business deals, messy divorces and ill-advised perfume lines and pop CDs.

Beneath the clutter one discerns an engrossing portrait of a family torn between tradition and modernity, conformism and self-actualization, and desperately in search of its soul.

(April 1)

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All rights reserved.

Specifically that of the Bush family and the House of Saud.

Quote from : Wikipedia : House of Saud

The House of Saud (Arabic: آل سعود‎; romanized Āl Suʿūd) is the royal family of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

The modern nation of Saudi Arabia was established in 1931, though the roots and influence for the House of Saud had been planted in the Arabian Peninsula several centuries earlier.

Prior to the era of the Kingdom's founder, Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud, the family had ruled the Nejd and had conflicted on several occasions with the Ottoman Empire, the Sharif of Mecca, and the Al Rashid family of Ha'il.

The House of Saud has gone through three phases: the First Saudi State, the Second Saudi State, and the modern nation of Saudi Arabia.

The history of the Al Saud has been marked by a desire to unify the Arabian Peninsula and to spread what it promotes as a more purified and simple view of Islam.

The House of Saud is linked with (Hanbali) Wahhabism (Saudis deprecate the term, preferring the term Salafism) through the marriage of the son of Muhammad ibn Saud with the daughter of Muhammad Abd al Wahhab in 1744.

Though some have put the family's numbers as high as 25,000, most estimates place their numbers in the region of 7,000, with most power and influence being wielded by the 200 or so descendants of King Abdul Aziz.

The current head of the Al Saud and ruler of Saudi Arabia is King Abdullah ibn Abdul Aziz who announced, on 20 October 2006, the creation of a committee of princes to vote on the viability of kings and the candidature of nominated crown princes - in effect, clarifying and further defining the Al Saud's line of succession process.

The committee, known as the Allegiance Commission, and chaired by Prince Mishaal ibn Abdul Aziz, gives each son (in case of their inability or death, their eligible son) of the late King Abdul-Aziz a single vote which would be used to confirm one of three princes nominated by the king to be named Crown Prince.

In the event that either the sitting king or the crown prince were deemed unfit to rule, a five-member transitory council, appointed by the Council, would be empowered to run state affairs for one week before naming a successor.

The intent is to prevent a situation as was the case with the late King Fahd, who suffered multiple strokes beginning in 1995 but remained on the throne for ten years, most of them without the faculties to rule.

There was a quite interesting book written about it.

House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties

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Amazon Review :

The perilous ramifications of the September 11 attacks on the United States are only now beginning to unfold.

They will undoubtedly be felt for generations to come.

This is one of many sad conclusions readers will draw from Craig Unger's exceptional book House of Bush House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties.

As Unger claims in this incisive study, the seeds for the "Age of Terrorism" and September 11 were planted nearly 30 years ago in what, at the time, appeared to be savvy business transactions that subsequently translated into political currency and the union between the Saudi royal family and the extended political family of George H. W. Bush.

On the surface, the claim may appear to be politically driven, but as Unger (a respected investigative journalist and editor) probes--with scores of documents and sources--the political tenor of the U.S. over the last 30 years, the Iran-Iraq War, the war in Afghanistan, the birth of Al Qaeda, the dubious connection between members of the Saudi Royal family and the exportation of terror, and the personal fortunes amassed by the Bush family from companies such as Harken Energy and the Carlyle Group, he exposes the "brilliantly hidden agendas and purposefully murky corporate relationships" between these astonishingly powerful families.

His evidence is persuasive and reveals a devastating story of Orwellian proportions, replete with political deception, shifting allegiances, and lethal global consequences.

Unger begins his book with the remarkable story of the repatriation of 140 Saudis directly following the September 11 attacks.

He ends where Richard A. Clarke begins, questioning the efficacy of the war in Iraq in the battle against terrorism.

We are unquestionably facing a global security crisis unlike any before.

President Bush insists that we will prevail, yet as Unger so effectively concludes, "Never before has an American president been so closely tied to a foreign power that harbors and supports our country's mortal enemies."

--Silvana Tropea

Maybe someone should send Ahmadinejad a copy?

Was George Bush Sr.'s Carlyle Group Involved In 9/11?


Anyone who knows anything about the Carlyle Group know this relationship.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Carlyle Group

The Carlyle Group is a global private equity investment firm, based in Washington, D.C., with more than $84.5 billion of equity capital under management, diversified over 64 different funds as of March 31, 2009.

The firm operates four fund families, focusing on leveraged buyouts, growth capital, real estate and leveraged finance investments.

The firm employs more than 890 employees, including 495 investment professionals in 20 countries with several offices in the Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia; its portfolio companies employ more than 415,000 people worldwide. Carlyle has over 1300 investors in 71 countries.

Carlyle was ranked as the largest private equity firm in the world, according to a ranking called the PEI 50 based on capital under management.

The Carlyle Group is a front company of Skull and Bones, or rather the public face.

Right and Left : A Control Mechanism of the Skull and Bones Society, the Order of Chaos

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Yup, I actually was just thinking that. SA and the US are VERY cozy in their relationship.

Perhaps they won't find common ground on Israel though..

Stranger things have happened. I really don't see them wanting to get involved in the whole Iran/Israel conflict.

Giving the Israelis the OK for airspace travel would be making them choose a side.

~Keeper

the saudis are in hock to the bankers big time after Dubai
the saudis supply the US with 100,000 barels a day
the zionist bankers that are Obamas biggest contributer have the Saudis over a barrel

what was Glen Beck saying the other day about the saudis doing 911?
(there was a thread wondering why he did that well here is why)
the saudi people probably heard all about that.
I wonder how they feel about letting Isreal bend them over a barrel?

the saudis need 70 a barrel at least to break even

the price per barrel went from 80ish to70ish which is pure goldman sachs type derivitive type trading influence over the last month or so
after climbing steadily over the last year

just like the US congress when the stock market dropped a thousnd and went back up a thousan after the US congress caved on invetigating Goldman Sachs
the price of oil started to float up above 7o a bit when the saudis caved

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No, specifically the Bush family and House of Saud are only in bed together because of mutual interests in oil and money, which are synonymous, in Saudi Arabia.

Which is where Israel and Bin Laden comes into play in this scenario.

Israel assists the U.S. in deniability and the Bin Laden family assists the House of Saud with deniability, construction work, and just about anything else they want.

Which is why I linked the book about the Bin Ladens, it speaks not only about the cozy relationships between the Bush family, U.S. Government, and House of Saud.

In tandem with the Bin Laden family, they have actually built military bases for the U.S. over in Europe and Middle East, and re-built Mecca for Muslims.

That was the real reason the 9/11 Commission was formed, to cover-up the cozy relationship Bush had with the House of Saud, because the House of Saud has a comfortable relationship with Bin Laden's family, so the 9/11 Commission acted as a buffer, to create deniability, so the F.B.I. could not actually investigate 9/11.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Mecca

Mecca (pronounced /ˈmɛkə/), also spelled Makkah (occasionally Bakkah) (English: /ˈmækə/; Arabic: مكة‎ Makkah and in full: Arabic: مكّة المكرمة‎ transliterated Makkah Al Mukarramah [mækːæt ælmukarːamæ]) is a city in Saudi Arabia, and the holiest[clarification needed] meeting site in Islam, closely followed by Medina.

Muslim tradition attributes the beginning of Mecca to Ishmael's descendants.

In the 7th century, the Islamic prophet Muhammad proclaimed Islam in the city which was by then an important trading center.

After 966, Mecca was led by local sharifs under the hegemony of the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman authority collapsed in 1916 and the local rulers established the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz.

The Hejaz kingdom, including Mecca, was absorbed by the Saudis in 1925.

In its modern period, Mecca has seen tremendous expansion in size and infrastructure.

The modern day city is the capital of Saudi Arabia's Makkah Province, in the historic Hejaz region.

With a population of 1.7 million (2008), the city is located 73 km (45 mi) inland from Jeddah in a narrow valley at a height of 277 m (909 ft) above sea level.

Every year, millions of Muslims perform the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca walking seven times around the Kaaba.

During Hajj the city of Mecca possibly becomes more diverse than New York City.

Among other places of course.

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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
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That's funny as Hell.

Obviously Ahmadinejad is using political propaganda.

Either that or he knows nothing of the U.S. Government's relationship with the Al Saud family.

Ahmadinajad is very astute - I am confident he knows far more about this relationship than either you or I might be able to uncover.

The Saudi royal family are not popular in Saudi - especially for their relationship and support for the US.

The Saudi family of course would like to support the US totally - however, it may be suicide for them to throw in their lot with the US regarding Iran. You have to understand that Iran is a symbol for all Arab muslims - it is an Islamic state - to back a Christian power against it will not sit well with the population - the Saudi royals might well lose their heads in the process.

The Saudi family can deny the US publicly, and allow them privately - to claim they are publicly supporting the US would be very embarrassing, and they will be quick to deny it - just as they have done.

It is very much in Ahmadinijads interest to make the issue of Saudi complicity with the US a very public debate - this may force the Saudi's to actually honor any public statement they make regarding denial of airspace to the US forces. if the US broke those rules - then the royals would have to take some action or there might be severe political backlash.

That is my take on this subject.

I don't believe Saudi Arabia for one second. I just got through saying in another topic that it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that SA is pulling Israel and the U.S.'s strings...at least to the point where it is convenient for them. They're masters at playing one against the other, as is Israel. Iran got wise to the game with the onboarding of Ahmadinejad. He's shrewd, don't underestimate the man. He's willing to look like a kook and a nutter, but the man's gotten Iran's ass out of the scopes on more than several occasions over the last decade or so by calling attention (however he needs to) to Iran's plight. And of course Israel is as opportunistic as any of them, and so in truth is the U.S. Every player here has an agenda. Sometimes those agendas mesh and sometimes they don't. I'm rather surprised at Turkey's getting into the mix this go round. That's a wild card I need to study up on. Could also be a catalyst of sorts. Lebanon already knows something's up, based on their going on record today with the UN. I bet Syria does too. It's going to be an interesting few months. Especially with the planets in a T Square. Cheers. Thanks for the post.

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I have not felt nor seen any propaganda encouraging a war with Iran. However, I have seen Iranian people speak of the propaganda in their nation. And I have seen the military parades showing Israel and America with swastikas.

So honestly, I beg to question your allegations that Iran is not running a propaganda game against the west. Especially seeing as if we REALLY wanted a war, we could go in and end them in a day or two.

Honestly, how can you make a claim like that? Where's the US parades calling for the end of Iran? Where's the massive media support for a war? All I see are a few reports here and there about another stupid speech by a stupid president of Iran.

I've noticed this sort of thing happening lots in the last few months on MSM. You will read a story that says one thing, then the same day, the exact opposite thing will be said by another news agency.

I think TPTB know the power that MSM/Internet has these days and are using in ways to influence what happens over there.

you just don't know what to believe!

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Maybe that whole doomsday letter to the Saudi royal family telling them to pack their things and leave now convinced them to back way the heck off the whole letting Israel use their airspace thing.

Sure, as the tyrannical leader of a middle eastern nation you want to help your friends plunder other competing countries, but at the end of the day, you have to pretend you care what your people want........................at least when they are at your door with a guillotine.