The real reason they aren't stopping the leak. Damage below the sea floor.

Originally posted by FuGGer

Originally posted by essanance
The truth is BP has lied to us from the moment it happened ,they new it was gonna be bad .Now its damage control for the Federal Government and BP and so sad for all the people of the gulf who will suffer for generations .
[edit on 12-6-2010 by essanance]

when will the federal govt take charge and say enough is enough. bp has proven to be unreliable and incompetent.

this is not a problem mankind is unable to solve. its just that the wrong people are managing and executing it.

tools/equipment? dont tell me the fed govt is unable to seize, force bp to supply whatever is needed to get the job done? lack of tools/equipment should not be an excuse for the feds to not take charge.

My thoughts exactly.

With any other kind of national threat like this (at the least), the US Government would have been ALL OVER IT. Why the *snip* isn't the navy out there? I would think that BP would be the LAST ones in control and calling the shots!!

We are talking about something with the potential of affecting the entire world and the ones that CAUSED it are STILL calling the shots? Billions of dollars are on the table and the ones paying it out are STILL calling the shots? HELLO!!! MR> EL PRESIDENT OBAMA - reality check! What the *snip* are you doing? Why are YOU and the US Government not in control of this? Why doesn't the Navy have a sub and a dozen HD cameras from all angles down there?

Why does BP have a private security firm ran by a former secret service agent closing down the beaches and not allowing access to media? Threatening them? WHO IS IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY??!! It sure as *snip* isn't us, the amercian people!!!

It is so far out beyond the realm of feasability for the Government/Navy/Coast Guard to NOT be running this in a totally different manner, for it to be true. I believe more and more lately that BP CAN'T be in charge of this still, but we are being lead to believe they are for what, our protection? Our continued ignorance to the truth?



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Originally posted by GhostR1der
...A nuclear device will create an air bubble that will cause a tsunami, but a tsunami is better than no seafood for 30 years!

However a scalar device would be much better

You fail to account for the fall out said nuclead device might create. For starters, we dont know how the nuke would behave under such high pressures...we also dont know the ammount of damage the shockwave would create...for all we know, the added pressure created by an explosion of such magnitude could break the shaft on the sea floor leading to oil seeping from the actual seabed. Lets also consider the high possibility of having nuclear waste being pushed onshore via storm surges this hurricane season.

Everyone needs to listen to CoasttoCoast with George Nooray, each night they have updates on the oil spill with a Captain, he usually has information before the main stream press delivers and all his predictions on the oil spill catastrophe has pretty much come true including this one about the sea floor.

if this is true, well my friends

this is the end of the US as we know it

but, will it be a good or a bad thing for the world?

I dont think this was a COMPLETE accident ... in my opinion they may knew it was a risk or just a matter of time before everything got #ed, but they probably approved that the US needed another 911, but bigger ...

i would not entertain using nukes atm, the site is not in some wayward location is the south pacific. its right in your backyard...

anyway, its half-time and if obama does not make a "substitution" real soon...theyre gonna lose the game and EVERYONEs -ve feelings will turn towards him and his administration.

1st thing id do is to find out how much oil is LEAKING EXACTLY.
i dont not trust any figures that bp has guesstimated and released.

Imagine this:

There has been information coming out daily and even an interview stating that this is no ordinary well. It is in fact a super well that extends 20-33,000 feet below the seabed floor. That BP did in fact attempt to drill a super well.

There is a program called Deep Sea Drilling it is primarily used for scientific reasons regarding what lies beneath the ocean floor etc., Geophysical purposes only. They are wells that extend 30-40,000 feet below the sea bottom floor.

However, drilling an oil well this deep has always been an interest.

Now take a look at this;

On one of the sites with a water depth of 1,067 m (3,500 ft), core samples revealed the existence of salt domes.

Oil companies received samples after an agreement to publish their analysis. The potential of oil beneath deep ocean salt domes remains an important avenue for commercial development today.

en.wikipedia.org...

I believe BP was drilling a super well for oil!! As a result of their greed they actually tapped into a batholith. Here is info on what that means.

A batholith (from Greek bathos, depth + lithos, rock) is a large emplacement of igneous intrusive (also called plutonic) rock that forms from cooled magma deep in the earth's crust.

Batholiths are almost always made mostly of felsic or intermediate rock-types, such as granite, quartz monzonite, or diorite (see also granite dome).

Although they may appear uniform, batholiths are in fact structures with complex histories and compositions.

They are composed of multiple masses, or plutons, bodies of igneous rock of irregular dimensions (typically at least several kilometers) that can be distinguished from adjacent igneous rock by some combination of criteria including age, composition, texture, or mappable structures.

Individual plutons are crystallized from magma that traveled toward the surface from a zone of partial melting near the base of the Earth's crust.

en.wikipedia.org...

If this is indeed what is happening, this is where the leak is occurring. There have been reports of plutons coming up through the oil plume. This could very well mean they are sitting on top a batholith volcano.

Can you imagine if they blow a volcano 30,000 feet below the ocean floor? No I can't either. Forget the danger of radiation, that will not be our biggest concern. The event will be monumental enough to throw the earth off it's axis.

We need to prepare, this could very well be the case.

Pax

reply to post by webpirate


have you seen this video? I have not seen this before. Video of the plumes.


www.wkrg.com...

when will the federal govt take charge and say enough is enough. bp has proven to be unreliable and incompetent.

this is not a problem mankind is unable to solve. its just that the wrong people are managing and executing it.

tools/equipment? dont tell me the fed govt is unable to seize, force bp to supply whatever is needed to get the job done? lack of tools/equipment should not be an excuse for the feds to not take charge.




I agree 100% the Feds must step up the pressure on BP or assume total command and demand all payment come from BP.HERE HERE!!

wait so you're telling me this #'s still leaking?

Originally posted by SpectrumX
This is indeed a doomsday scenario and I fear that it is all too true. If so, even a nuclear device would probably just make the situation worse.

Not even a nuclear device is needed. All you would need is the correct explosive charge detonated at just the right location. The imposive effect would seal the well off. From what I understand nukes have been used four times previously to shut off leaking wells just like this one (successfully).

Alot of people are coming up with different ideas.

One of the big reasons we shouldn't use nukes, like I said, is because people have been saying since mid-may that nukes wouldn't even be necessary to plug the well.

A Solution to BP's Huge Spill? Blow it up With Huge Bomb, Says Top Marine
Jason Mick (Blog) June 11, 2010 6:00 AM

Gayl suggests using the GBU-43 MOAB — known as the “Massive Ordinance Air Burst” or “Mother of All Bombs” — which has been "proven, safe and ‘green", according to Gayl. If a MOAB is unavailable, Gayl says a Vietnam-era Daisy Cutter would also do quite handsomely.

The USMC genius suggests:

Either one … can be enclosed in a simple pressure shell, that is augmented with several tons of liquid oxygen canisters, and lowered to just a few meters above the leaking well head. An oxygen-enhanced MOAB or Daisy Cutter detonated at a water depth of 5,000 feet will indeed have an interesting effect on all the well-related plumbing and equipment that is above, at, and slightly below the sea floor…. The exploding MOAB or Daisy Cutter would have an incredible implosive-sealing effect on oil plumbing within the immediate vicinity of the detonation.

Is it time to blow up the leaking Gulf oil well? BP doing its best to keep that option under wraps
By David Neiwert Monday May 17, 2010 6:00pm

Smith originally brought on Christopher Brownfield to discuss the potential for using a nuclear bomb to stop the leak, and Brownfield said that yes, it was decided a viable way to stop it -- it has been done four times previously. But he gave many compelling reasons NOT to use a nuclear warhead for the job -- the biggest one being that the same job could be accomplished with conventional explosives.

So why aren't we talking about doing this? Well, Brownfield explained that too:

Brownfield: If we demolish the well using explosives, the investment's gone. They lose hundreds of millions of dollars, from the drilling of the well, plus no lawmaker in his right mind would allow BP to drill again in that same spot. So basically, it's an all-or-nothing thing with BP: They either keep the well alive, or they lose their whole investment and all the oil that they could potentially get from that well.

As Brownfield explains, "We need to seal this thing off." Desperately. But why hasn't anyone been bringing a complete shutdown of the well to the table?

Brownfield: Yes, I think -- stopping the spill immediately. And the reason why we haven't seen that option is because, frankly, BP is still at the helm. I think President Obama needs to take charge of this, bring all the assets of our military to bear, bring the U.S. Army Corps of engineers, bring the U.S. Navy, and bring in all the private-sector organizations that have the equipment for deep-sea operations to make this happen. Let's explode this, collapse the well, and put an end to it.

Nuke It? It’s a little less crazy than it sounds
Daniel Foster - National Review Online
June 2, 2010 4:00 A.M.

The Soviets repeated the trick four times between 1966 and 1979, using payloads as large as 60 kilotons to choke hydrocarbon leaks. Now, as the Obama administration stares into the abyss of the Deepwater Horizon spill, and a slicker of sweet, medium crude blankets the Gulf of Mexico, slouching its way toward American beaches and wetlands, Russia’s newspaper of record is calling on the president to consider this literal “nuclear option.”

-ChriS

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OP, thanks for this thread, I believe that you hit the nail on the head.

***MODS: The following short story is related to, and written for, this thread.

Due to the length of the post, I had to post the PRELUDE with this post and the STORY as a separate post below.


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THE MEANING OF BP (part 1 of 2)

Fiction. © Copyright 2010 SJR – Copied to and posted on ATS by the author SJR


PRELUDE:

Our short story begins one hot summer day in the year 2318. Within the past two generations, Earth’s human population is finally rebounding after remaining nearly flat for over two hundred and fifty years. Last year the population shot up by more than ten percent as talk of a new baby boom era is high on the list of popular global gossip. According to the latest news reports, our fine ladies are expected to keep popping ’em out at the current rate. We are now being told that sometime next year global population will once again exceed 50 million.

Focused on two construction workers who have been contracted by the prestigious OWU (Old World University) to prepare a foundation for some fancy new scientific research lab. The main characters are located somewhere, on the eastern seaboard of the North American continent, near the burried ruins of a once great capital city metropolis.

***MODS: The following short story is related to, and written for, this thread.





THE MEANING OF BP (part 2 of 2)

Fiction. © Copyright 2010 SJR – Copied to and posted on ATS by the author SJR


SHORT STORY:


“Hey Sam! I’ve unearthed an old antique gas pump,” yelled Jimmy, a young and easily excited backhoe operator who was late to work and had decided to try to get back off his boss’s shlt list by working through lunch hour.

The foreman approached the green and yellow painted metal and brushed the dirt off the mangled half burried machine with his left hand, as he stuffed the last of a chocolate-chip cookie into his mouth. He barked, “Turn the tractor off, you’ll have to excavate this thing by hand.”

The stupid greenhorn whined, “Wwwwwhy, doooo it that way?”

“Cause, there may be some volatile liquids that could explode if you create a spark, so be careful”, he instructed in a demeaning tone of voice, while swallowing the final morsels his wife packed in a brown bag the night before.

“Okay Boss,” the suddenly depressed whippersnapper replied before grabbing a hand shovel to continue. He worked for seven minutes slowly digging all around the pump, then began removing clumps of dirt by hand from the amazingly well preserved liquid dispensing machine.

Slowly a green and yellow star burst logo became visible on the face of the old pump. Sam was very interested and brushed off more dirt to revel the letters “bp”.

Jimmy’s heart began to beat faster in sudden fear of the unknown, as he pointed at the letters and quivered, “What that mean boss?”

Sam took a deep breath and face-palmed himself for a full three seconds before responding. Jimmy was about to start asking more questions, when Sam looked him in the eye, let out a heavy sigh, and replied in a condescending voice, “That has to do with the 2012 Mass Extinction, didn’t they teach you that in school?”

“Yea, now that you mention it, I do remember something about it, History was never my strong suit you know. But I remember what ‘bp’ stands for cause it was on my final exam.”

“Real’ly?” stuttered his amazed boss who knew from his college education that British Petroleum, bankrupted shortly after the disaster by a never ending chain of international lawsuits, was destine to be remembered in the annals of history. After all, it had single handedly killed the worlds oceans and 93% of the terrestrial biomass in the decade that followed their doomsday disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

In fact, the source of Sam’s shock and amazement, lay more in Jimmy’s claim to also possess this now rarely talked about ‘intellectual knowledge’ of events that took place some 300+ years ago. The pain of what was lost, still being to great to talk about in polite society, left squarely in the realm of academia historical and geological studies.

Sam cocked his head back, looked at Jimmy and skeptically asked, “Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think those letters ‘bp’ stand for?”

“That’s easy boss,” I remember that one from public school cause it was on the final multiple choice history exam.” Jimmy proudly reached out and touched the two letters with his forefinger, smiled and said, “It means ‘beyond possible’; and I think it’s a reference to some famous Presidential speech related to the inability to stop the blowout.”

Sam laughed both at Jimmy’s ignorance and the fact that his worker had make a joke without realizing it. Sam stood up, started to walk away, and snidely commanded, “Get back to work genius.”

[The End]


















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reply to post by webpirate


Good find.

Mankind has hit a artery of Gaia and she is slowing bleeding.

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you mean they drilled into an "HOTSPOT" ???????????????

not an bad idee regarding the meteoorhit mil. years ago...



[edit on 13-6-2010 by ressiv]

I rememberd an artical last year somewere.... that oil wassend formed by rotting of plants .as we are told....but is an residu of chemical processes in the earth crust..that can explain the huge amount of oil beneath the gulf of mexico couse the crust was schatterd long time ago by an meteoor hit...

Using a nuke absolutely frightens me.

My grandfather used to tell me about how drilling in the gulf was dangerous, and that it would eventually awaken the new madrid fault. He is no longer alive and to see his predictions coming true really makes me uneasy.

They will not close the leak and they will not clean it up! it's like when someone owes you so much money that he decide not to pay you.Until it'll become everyones buisness to do something.It wont be BP's fault anymore.

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Pax, that is some scarey speculation. It deserves a thread of it's own, would you think about starting one so people can pool info they find that might support what you think might be the issue here. If they don't set off some explosive could the batholith still blow of it's own accord in connection to the oil leak ?

I've googled oil spill and plutons as well as oil spill and volcano but there is no info returning....have you links to anything that would supoort your thoughts ?

PS ) If they are indeed on top of a volcano they would know this wouldn't they ? In which case surely they wouldn't take that kind of risk with a bomb ? It would be Russian roulette with the planet

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[edit on 13/6/10 by cosmicpixie]

When will most of you people actually educate yourselves?

The LEAK ( stop calling it a spill !! ) is 50,000 miles BELOW the seabed.

If you think BP cant stop it because they do not have the technology YOUR MISTAKEN.

BP is a corporation that is over 100 years old .

BP has atleast 100 trillion dollars in CASH!

With money, you find, educate , hire , control some of the SMARTEST PEOPLE ON EARTH.

With money like that, you can CREATE MACHINES/HUMANS WITH BRAINS well over 500 IQ capability ( an IQ of 190 is considered genius )

PEOPLE CONTINUE to NOT realize that technology released is always OLD technology....BY ATLEAST 50 - 100 YEARS.

Your iphone was created back in the early 40's.

Your a complete hypocrite if you think that they can send spaceships and machines into space yet cannot work thousands of feet under the oceans floors.

No wonder the world keeps getting worse.

The true people have lost faith in people.

Originally posted by Faiol
if this is true, well my friends

this is the end of the US as we know it

but, will it be a good or a bad thing for the world?

I dont think this was a COMPLETE accident ... in my opinion they may knew it was a risk or just a matter of time before everything got #ed, but they probably approved that the US needed another 911, but bigger ...

Now something inside me can state that revelations will be possible on how the world works. With USA down the whole world can go after Israel. But Isee it to believe it, but it scares the jebus out of me.