CONservatives begin spending cuts - Starting where thatcher left off.

Before i start, a quote from our chancellor Osborne:
"The promise is absolutely explicit. We will protect the frontline, we are looking at waste, inefficiency and that is what is has to go in the coming year. I will not accept frontline cuts.”

You might have heard already that the Con's are going to cut free school meals for low income families and i for one am outraged.
People who are on income support or jobseekers will still receive free meals BUT with the shake up of the benefits system, its likely that many people are going to be booted off the dole and incapacity and made to work minimum wage, unskilled jobs.
As many of you might know, working for the minimum barely gets you by, so then consider having to pay for your Childs school meals to? That would cost you at least £2 a day, which is £10 a week and £40 a month - Thats just for ONE CHILD..

SURELY, there are other areas that could have been looked at first? I'm very glad i did not vote conservative but i am truly kicking myself for voting liberal. I hope we have another election in the coming year, i will personally like to exterminate the rats in parliament myself.

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"Thatcher, Thatcher milk snatcher" remember? I nearly punched my t.v. when I seen Webcameron wheeling the old *snip* out on the steps of Number 10 again. Lets face it, this is a tory govt we have now, there is no coalition.
This upcoming so-called emergency budget is nothing more than a cash grab by the rich, the working man is going to foot the bill for the deficit while the rich get tax break and big business gets deregulated. Camerons a joke and Clegg has just looked out for himself like the career politician we all knew he was. All our futures are being stolen by a bunch of Tory scum......

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Please don't circumvent the automatic censors
Thanks,

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Just a few reminders of the mindset of the current Government;

"The poor? Oh, yes, they are the people you step over on the way out of the opera".
"High unemployment is a price worth paying".
The above quotes were spoken by Conservative Cabinet Ministers during the Thatcher years, the second one by Norman Lamont, then Chancellor of the Exchequer.
And just to add, this is the party that brought us VAT and the Poll Tax, decimated the industrial heart of Britain, privatised all of the public utilities so their friends in the City could make millions, attacked the trade union movement with a fury, stamping down on anyone that fought for the rights of the working man or woman, and flooded the NHS with highly-paid 'administrators', thereby draining finances out of the service that would have been better spent on keeping wards open and paying for doctors and nurses, instead of laying off thousands and bringing in agency staff, which they claimed was cheaper than employing people that had been doing the jobs all of their lives!
I lived through the Thatcher years, and I thought we were shot of this mindset, but it looks like it is back with a vengeance, and the quote that comes to mind is from George Orwell's "1984";
'Do you want to know the future, Winston? picture a boot stamping on a human face, forever'.

Roy.

13 years of Labour flushing money down the toilet.

Lets not forget that eh?

Its easy to blame the Tories, but lets not fall into the trap our American cousins do and blame the current guy for all the ills of the world.

Brown was chancellor all the while the house of cards was being built, and then PM when it came down, with Darling as a puppet.

Labours answer was to try and buy its way out debt - which is exaclty what started the problem in the first place.

You cannot, in a month of Sundays, blame the Tories for the financial problems of this country. As for the cuts they are making - simply put any political party would have had ot make them, be it now or later.

I despair when I see the "Thatcher" comments - Labour threw us all into massive debt, committed us to two conflicts we can't afford to spend money on, bailed out banks who pay 6 figure bonuses to staff and practically bankrupted the country.

Why are there cuts now? Because Labour spent the money - end of story.

Because of the way the totally inept Labour government ruined this country financially (and in just about every other way) I really don't see that the new government has a choice BUT to cut spending.

How else do you get out of debt? Spending more isn't the answer.

There's no way Cameron etc can possibly be blamed for what they have to do now to try and drag this country back from the brink. I'm just glad we've finally got someone in charge who looks like they know what they're doing.


neformore - you said it better than me


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Originally posted by neformore
13 years of Labour flushing money down the toilet.

Lets not forget that eh?

Its easy to blame the Tories, but lets not fall into the trap our American cousins do and blame the current guy for all the ills of the world.

Brown was chancellor all the while the house of cards was being built, and then PM when it came down, with Darling as a puppet.

Labours answer was to try and buy its way out debt - which is exaclty what started the problem in the first place.

You cannot, in a month of Sundays, blame the Tories for the financial problems of this country. As for the cuts they are making - simply put any political party would have had ot make them, be it now or later.

I despair when I see the "Thatcher" comments - Labour threw us all into massive debt, committed us to two conflicts we can't afford to spend money on, bailed out banks who pay 6 figure bonuses to staff and practically bankrupted the country.

Why are there cuts now? Because Labour spent the money - end of story.

There is a pretty big reason people mention the thatcher years and thats because HER government set the country up to be broke. Via selling public industries. Conservative government from 1979-1997 sold every asset this country had, labour got into power and made bad investments, None of them are perfect but atleast labour IMPROVED the lifes of millions, Even if by the end they didnt give a toss what people wanted.
And my original argument is that other things could have been cut before resorting to school meals, How exactly do you expect people to pay for their childrens school meals? £40 a month is a hell of alot to pay out on the minimum wage.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
You might have heard already that the Con's are going to cut free school meals for low income families and i for one am outraged.

Source?

Are you a low income earner? Why not put more hours in, or maybe cut your sky subscription???

People who are on income support or jobseekers will still receive free meals BUT with the shake up of the benefits system, it’s likely that many people are going to be booted off the dole and incapacity and made to work minimum wage, unskilled jobs.

This country went to the wire economically because of labours inability to deal with the growing population of 'can't be bothered' attitudes that bred through the noughties.

If you are capable of working then you SHOULD work. Why should we the working populace pay taxes so those that can't be bothered can have an easy life???

Don't you think I would like to stay at home and be with my family??? Of course I would, but I can't because I live up to my responsibilities as a father and as a subject of this country.

If you are claiming bennefit and have been put into a position where you are worse off if you go out to work, then that is totally wrong, and is a typical example of how labour was fundimentally wrong for this country.

If you can't get a skilled job, then why not study to get the skills necessary. If you don't have what it takes to get those skills then I’m sorry but you shouldn't have had those 5 kids!!!

Under the Conservatives we live in fairness, if you want to take the P**S you will suffer, this is not a time for dossing lazzy layabouts.

My view is, if you are unemployed longer than 6 months you should be made to do community service.

Korg.

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Source is in the OP, no point me posting this topic without a source.

Are you a low income earner? Why not put more hours in, or maybe cut your sky subscription???

Europe says the maximum working hour week per adult is 48hrs. Many adults work 40hrs a week and the sad fact is, if you did any over time, you would be taxed on it, making those extra hours pointless. Where is the incentive? As for the sky subscription, what do people pay for a TV licence? all they show is repeats and adverts.
Typical conservative view that people should sacrifice what LITTLE they have so that government can "Save money" If the rich had it their way we would barely have a change in clothes nevermind mind a tv.
Why doesnt cameron knock up the minimum wage a few quid so the citizens of this country that work for nothing can afford his policys?
Are you honestly saying that they couldnt have cut something else rather then cutting a service that is NEEDED?
You do realise that it will put people in abject poverty?
Or dont you care?

In another report, I saw a figure of 700,000 quoted as the number of public sector jobs being threatened. My response to this is...GO FOR IT!
Under the Labour idiots, government, both local and national, became a bloated mess full of wasters and pointless new departments that cost us all but produce little or nothing of value to society.
It is that waste that, as a hard working taxpayer, I seriously object to. Do away with all the Gay and Lesbian / diversity goons, wheelie bin enforcement officers and other such wasters, then we might even be able to see a cut in public spending.

The only way jobs can be created is to bring back manufacturing to this country, but the government is not responsible for that. Without good paying jobs, there can never be any recovery, so invest in the infrastructure of the country. If necessary nationalise services such as public transport and stop using Hundreds of Millions in taxpayer money to subsidise it (prop up private businesses that make the shareholders / banks and management rich).

As much as i'd like to blame the Tories.

Let's not forget it was new labour and their arms dealing ways that got us into this mess.

Corrupt and misleading bastards.

overall, i'm talking about this policy they're bringing in.
How do they expect people on minimum wage to fund this? Dont any of you think they cut have cut other things before even THINKING about cutting this? I suppose their dinners while at work are coverd by the tax payer eh?

I left school for work in Thatchers Britain, with most of my school friends on the YTS (Slave labour)..

I really can not blame Thatcher for Brown and co's miss management.. If anything IMHO the miss-management of the UK dates back to the 70s, and have been carried on by most British govs since.

Tho this time around, I for one, am prepared to hear them out, and see what they plan to do.. but if I was Cameron and Co I would take the words of Mervyn King that if they mess up they risk being out of power for a generation very seriously.

100 years ago you guys ran the entire British Empire with 400 MP's in the House of Commons and no local government of any kind whatever. I think you ran India with only a few thousand colonial civil servants. The British civil service set the highest standard ever for efficiency.

Now look at you ... approx 20% of the workies are employed by the public sector. And another 20% are so sick they can't do any work of any kind whatever ... or are single parents or unemployed.

With so many people "on the take" ... it's hardly surprising the Conservatives were elected with an agenda for change. Because your public finances are totally unsustainable. You've got a Navy severely cutback, an Army with insufficient kit, an airforce which has to regularly charter aircraft ... yet you're content to pay the Jeremy Kyle people billions of pounds ever year for their reckless lifestyles.

You're renting public buildings under these appalling PFI contracts (are they even factored into your public debt ?), your still allowing these bankrupt banks to trade even though they ought to have been left to fail, the bankers are shovelling their way home with wheelbarrows full of your money.

The British taxpayer is being robbed left, right and center.

You need a Thatcher right now to sort out the mess.

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What we need is a gov prepared to invest in wealth creation.. new jobs and industry.. how can we reduce the public sector if we are not increasing the Private sector.

Those workers need new jobs to go to, real jobs, not redundancy payouts and then benifits when that runs out, as we'll never cut the number on benifits this way.

IMHO, We will continue circling the drain upto the point we actually invest in new industry..

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Source is in the OP, no point me posting this topic without a source.

Sorry I didn't see it as it was at the bottom of the post. Might be an idea to add the title of the source rather than just "source" stands out a little more.

Before I tackle your post below I just wanted to add something here.

The BBC news article you pointed to as source

Outcry over plans not to extend free school meals

Campaigners against child poverty have attacked plans not to extend free school meals provision in England. Ministers are shelving a scheme devised under Labour to widen entitlement to free meals to more low income families.

The scheme, due to start this September, could have given free meals to 500,000 more families. Plans to expand a pilot scheme where all primary children are given free lunches from three areas have also been dropped.

Pilot schemes are running in Durham, Wolverhampton and the London borough of Newham. The projects were due to be extended this September to five other areas- Bradford, Islington in London, Nottingham, Cumbria and Medway in Kent.

So firstly, this is not a cut in front line services, it is a cut in proposed extension of services.

If you are a low income earner and you are currently entitled to free school meals you will still be entitled to school meals...

This was a pilot scheme and was not a policy.

So I fail to see how you deduce that this is a cut in front line services???

Now lets deal with a few of your points below....

Europe says the maximum working hour week per adult is 48hrs. Many adults work 40hrs a week and the sad fact is, if you did any over time, you would be taxed on it, making those extra hours pointless. Where is the incentive?

Firstly you live in England, right? Do you recognise that England is a sovereign entity??

Yes its true that we live within the European continent but we are not governed by Europe, not yet at least. It was Labours plan and actions that sold so many of our rights away to Europe.

It is the Conservative stand point that NO more rights be sold to Europe and that we stand strong and self sufficient as a country. We form the policy on how many hours someone can or cannot work and currently if you wanted to you could work 80 hours a week.

as for tax, if you earn under £34000 a year your tax remains the same at 20% for anything over your allowances of around 6500.

If you earn up to £34000 you are hardly a low income earner now are you?

If you are referring to the tax credit scheme then you are right, this scheme is inherently wrong in the implementation and yet again guess what... its a labour scheme....

The trouble with tax credits is that the more you earn, the less credit you get, so it feels that you are earning for nothing. The truth is however, you are always better off working, as you are not capped to the total amount you can earn, where as relying on tax credit you are always capped at your earning potential.

If you have kids you will be entitled to child benefit and families tax credit. my advice, stop using the tax credits all together. Stop claiming them, and go out to work. It will make you feel so much better.

As for the sky subscription, what do people pay for a TV licence? all they show is repeats and adverts.
Typical conservative view that people should sacrifice what LITTLE they have so that government can "Save money" If the rich had it their way we would barely have a change in clothes never mind a tv.

Utter rubbish.

You are complaining that you have to pay for your childs meals but you won't make unnecessary pleasure entertainment cuts in your household??

You need to get your priorities straight!!

If I found myself in the unfortunate position where I couldn't afford to buy my children pack up, then I would be cutting my sky subscription and looking at what other areas need to be cut to get the important things paid like feeding and clothing my family.....

Why doesnt cameron knock up the minimum wage a few quid so the citizens of this country that work for nothing can afford his policys?

Because knocking up the minimum wage would damage the already rocky recovery. if you raise the total wage bill a company has by law to pay you will be putting a lot of business out of business...

Are you honestly saying that they couldn’t have cut something else rather than cutting a service that is NEEDED?
You do realise that it will put people in abject poverty?
Or don’t you care?

Of course I care, but you are too short sighted to see what is for the best for you and the country.

Firstly the conservatives are not cutting major front line services, they are prioritising those services over other less necessary or wasteful public spending.

What you need to do in your own household is do the same...

Korg.

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Thatcher was an evil person and we are still paying the price for a lot of her policies.

But Labour had long enough to right a lot of her wrong doings but didn't and compounded the issues in their later years by extravagance, wastage and propping up the banking system.

Two sides of the same coin as far as I can see.

However, The Tories are going to strip this country bare.
And one thing you can guarantee, Cameron, Clegg and their cronies will not suffer.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Why doesnt cameron knock up the minimum wage a few quid so the citizens of this country that work for nothing can afford his policys?

Are you a complete air brain?

Raising the minimum wage will slaughter what is left of British industry.

This "Minimum UNemployment" Policy as it should be called that Labour brought in should be sent straight oth the scrap yard and I am annoyed with David Cameron for still having this socialist claptrap that has cause all the jobs to flee to Shangtung and a bunch of other Chinese provinces that look like bad accidents on a Scrabble Board.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

You might have heard already that the Con's are going to cut free school meals for low income families and i for one am outraged.
People who are on income support or jobseekers will still receive free meals BUT with the shake up of the benefits system, its likely that many people are going to be booted off the dole and incapacity and made to work minimum wage, unskilled jobs.
As many of you might know, working for the minimum barely gets you by, so then consider having to pay for your Childs school meals to? That would cost you at least £2 a day, which is £10 a week and £40 a month - Thats just for ONE CHILD..

GOOD! Its about time he did something about freeloaders like you, scrounging free school meals off folk like me.

Personally, I don't think it goes far enough. They should send you a bill for all the previous school meals you've nicked off the Birtish public, give you 30 days to pay and bang you up in Singsing if you don't come up with the dough.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

People who are on income support or jobseekers will still receive free meals BUT with the shake up of the benefits system, its likely that many people are going to be booted off the dole and incapacity and made to work minimum wage, unskilled jobs.

WHy? A am annoyed that he is doing this. NO ONE ever has reason to go on the scrounge from the state.

My own company stopped functioning, (I suffered 8 burgurlaries in 7 weeks and they took everything) and as a result, I am without a normal income. But I don't claim benefit or scrounge off the state, I get off my butt and go out and pick up cans and bottles in the street at a few pennies a time to get by.