America's ALWAYS tried to do down Britain

America's ALWAYS tried to do down Britain

www.dailymail.co.uk

When Obama continually refers to BP as 'British Petroleum', which is no longer its formal name, he is saying something revealing about himself, and his Anglophobic spite will come as no surprise to those who have followed his career, and read his memoir Dreams From my Father.

He seems to have made up the part about his father being tortured by the British in Kenya, but there's no question that Obama nurses a disdain for and even dislike of this country.

(visit the link for the full news article)

The article goes onto detail our, eventful relationship with the United States and states, "A year ago Gordon Brown visited Washington to be publicly humiliated by Obama (remember the exchange of gifts: thoughtful presents for the president and his children, trashy DVDs and toys for the Browns in return)."

Which always left a bitter feeling with me, to give a set of DVDs to any national leader is utterly disgraceful. And nothing short of unforgivable.

The latest continual bashing of BP for what is undeniably an accident from a statesmen is yet another clear sign of Obama's disdain of the British. Even to the extent of which he (Obama) must continually use the term, "British Petroleum" which the company is no longer named. An understandable oversight for the average person, but not a nations President.

I've felt a change in opinion in return from the British citizens, who usually speak only good of the man. In recent weeks that has changed massively, to the extent that the most common words heard now alongside his name are a dismissively toned "media whore."

In any event, the article is an interesting read and a perfect portrayal of the feeling associated with the issue caused by the accident.

www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Sed Non Credo]

Sorry man, it is nothing more than we voted into office a two year senator totally ignorant in world politics.

Hopefully we do better next time….

reply to post by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Hopefully we do better next time….

We've been saying the same for a long time, all we have now is hope. Hope is better than nothing though I guess.


[edit on 11-6-2010 by Sed Non Credo]

Really? Over some CD's? This article is petty, USA bashing and not even at it's finest. I cannot even finish reading it, it is blatantly stupid and petty.

You know, anything this man does is a catch 22. His not saying enough to hold BP accountable, people complain, he speaks out louder, people say his being to hard, that his insulting Britain.

The fact is, whatever he does he will not win with everybody. No I do not think he is targeting britain, BP chose to associate themselves with Britain, BP decided to ignore safety regulations. Stop trying to find scapegoats.

Originally posted by space cadet
Really? Over some CD's? This article is petty, USA bashing and not even at it's finest. I cannot even finish reading it, it is blatantly stupid and petty.

If you do take the time to read it fully you'll see it is not primarily concerning that snub, it's concerning the way in which a statesman is handling the issue. It only mentions that snub.

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From what I've seen, nobody is attempting to find scapegoats. Who is to blame is undeniable. Trying to find scapegoats for something such as this is, well, beyond stupidity.

BP didn't choose to align themselves with Britain, the company originated from Britain. That doesn't equate in my eyes to Britain being to blame though, that equates to BP being to blame.

It's an article concerning the anglophobic tones, not, at any point in any way shape or form looking for scapegoats. Where do you feel it looks for a scapegoat? I'm surprised at your response.

"BP decided to ignore safety regulations." I haven't come across that information, could you elaborate please?

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Sed Non Credo]

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I did read most of it. It is no longer called British Petroleum, but is is shortened to BP, with no explaination of what BP stands for, most will believe it is British Petroleum, just like Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC. You can turn that BP into just about anything you want to, and folks are still gonna call it British Petroleum.

The article is petty.

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I wouldn't say it's the first time the Mirror have laid to bare a petty article. But I feel your missing the point, the point that to many British the undertones are petty in the way Obama chooses to handle the media.

But if that's your view so be it, it just goes to show that he (Obama) is clearly giving the correct message to many of your citizens. But at the cost of political relations with Britain.

I doubt it has anything to do with Britain. This is about Obama trading peoples retirement money for political popularity. Don't feel singled out. He would sell America out just as fast as the Brits. Don't blame us.

Originally posted by Sed Non Credo
The latest continual bashing of BP for what is undeniably an accident from a statesmen

I'd like you tell those members on here 'that' of what you just said. Those who live on the gulf coast and are effected by this mess. Regardless of whether it was an accident or not, BP held an obligation to mind their operations. They are to blame, they messed up, they cost the environment and they cost the american people millions.

Its easy BP propaganda to turn any criticism of them as something against Britian, I'd advise you to get your head out of the BS they are spreading around and come to terms with the fact they messed up, they have to deal with the criticism.

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I don't blame you guys for a second mate. I wont generalise like many, at least I try not to.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Sed Non Credo
The latest continual bashing of BP for what is undeniably an accident from a statesmen

I'd like you tell those members on here 'that' of what you just said. Those who live on the gulf coast and are effected by this mess. Regardless of whether it was an accident or not, BP held an obligation to mind their operations. They are to blame, they messed up, they cost the environment and they cost the american people millions.

Its easy BP propaganda to turn any criticism of them as something against Britian, I'd advise you to get your head out of the BS they are spreading around and come to terms with the fact they messed up, they have to deal with the criticism.

What are talking about? I'm genuinely confused, breathe deeply and read back a little. At no point did I state, insinuate or anything that BP was not to blame. And also it does not in my line say that the continual bashing is not justified, just that it is indeed continual bashing.

Chill out for christ sake, I posted an article for debate. I didn't mean to upset you. Just discuss the supposed Anglophobia.



[edit on 11-6-2010 by Sed Non Credo]

Originally posted by Sed Non Credo
What are talking about? I'm genuinely confused,

Do you think this isnt a serious matter? Do you know the MESS that company caused in the gulf?? Have you seen the pictures? You know some people lost their lives as the result of this spill? And all you come down and say to us here is that 'accidents happen' 'criticism to BP is criticism towards Britain'. People like you are just unbelievable, and meanwhile we have people on the rightwing complaining and crying that the president isnt saying or doing enough.

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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Sed Non Credo
What are talking about? I'm genuinely confused,

Do you think this isnt a serious matter? Do you know the MESS that company caused in the gulf?? Have you seen the pictures? You know some people lost their lives as the result of this spill? And all you come down and say to us here is that 'accidents happen' 'criticism to BP is criticism towards Britain'. People like you are just unbelievable, and meanwhile we have people on the rightwing complaining and crying that the president isnt saying or doing enough.

Yes but attacking me doesn't help the situation. I'm not here looking to offend you in any way, attack you, degrade you, undermine you or anything. I'm discussing political relations.

You really do need to step back, and retrace the conversation. Your being
slightly childish at the moment by not actually sticking to the topic at hand.

And for the record, my friend, I understand the full gravity of the situation.


EDIT: And please don't put words in my mouth, I at no point said "accidents happen." I think you may need to consider, although we both speak English the structure in which we lay out our words is very different.

As you are confusing me with your erratic responses, I may well be confusing you.

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Sed Non Credo]

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Obama is posturing by making legal threats, and creating uncertainty in the markets. This is pissing off Britain because BP's stock is now valued less than the companies assets. That makes it possible for them to file for bankruptcy, or be bought out. This would devastate a large amount of America's retirement funds, but even more so in Britain. There is no sense in what he's doing, as it accomplishes nothing positive. He is attempting to gain political influence at the cost of at least half of the British population.

I don't agree that America has always tried to do down Britain, but I do think that President Obama is trying to deflect blame.

By deliberately and erroneously refering to BP as 'British Petroleum' (It's been BP since 1996) he is implying that the UK is responsible.

BP is actually a multinational company:

From Times Online...

As of December 2009, 40 per cent of BP’s shares were owned in Britain, but 39 per cent were owned in the US. It has six British directors and six American, and employs 22,000 Americans against only 10,000 Britons.

A lot of searching questions need to answered by the US's Mineral Management Service whose decisions directly lead to BP having lower safety specification than hindsite tells us were necessary.

MMS Role in BP Oil Spill

BP should be held accountable, but so also should the MMS and the US government .

I think this is what Obama is trying to protect by fooling the people of the US that the Brits are to blame. By taking this course of action he is playing a very dangerous game turning the tragedy into a diplomatic incident.



edit to add quotation marks.


[edit on 11/6/10 by Insomniac]

well the article is right that it isnt britians fault, just wondering though, if their name isn't british petroleum then what is it?!

[edit on 11-6-2010 by pryingopen3rdeye]

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It's just BP

One line post as I was answering a specific question.