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Sorry, a bit of a short fuse here when it comes to 911.
I don't buy into this idea that the 'live' TV footage was somehow inserted or tampered with. It would be a highly risky and self-defeating thing to do.
Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by LieBuster
But again, why would they risk leaving proof of them tampering with live broadcasting, for confusion purposes?
The proof of them tampering with live broadcasting seems more of a problem for their cause, than that the supposed goal of confusion is beneficial to their cause.
Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by winston_jones
I don't buy into this idea that the 'live' TV footage was somehow inserted or tampered with. It would be a highly risky and self-defeating thing to do.
You don't buy into it, yet the vid in the OP clearly shows they did.
The footage in the vid, is the footage that was aired on tv that day.
[edit on 10-6-2010 by Point of No Return]
...I came to the station, and let me just say this, the lieutenants here still break my chops, because that morning I came in, and I said to them, "I think we are going to be busy today." And they said to me, "Why?" I says, "Well, it's going to be 9-11," and from thereon -- I remember our normal routine in the morning, go get our breakfast, and we go sit and we cover Red Hook, so we had the view of the city. We were sitting there, and we were looking at the city. All of is sudden my partner says to me, "Frankie, that plane seems to be low."...
...and she yells out, "Frank that plane just hit the building."...
...We can't believe whats going on, and she says -- and I remember my partner, Mala, saying again to me, "That other plane is low." I don't know how much time, 10, 15 minutes, and we seen the other plane hit...
...I also took the cell phone with me, headed back towards the command center outside, and believe it or not, somewhere in between there the plane had hit, the second plane.
Q. The second plane?
A. I saw it coming in, I heard it, and bang. It hit...
...Then as I made it through traffic and I was going over the BQE extension to get back on to the Battery Tunnel, I looke and I saw the second plane hit the building...
...At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower...
...That's my assigned area and you could see -- we saw the smoke. There was a second plane circling the building and I kept saying why is he so near the buildings? Within minutes, before even talking about it, he just like slammed into the second building...
...A young kid, Joe Sullivan, said, "Why is this plane flying through the smoke? Holy #, he hit the second tower." I said. "Get the hell out of here." I stuck my head out the window, and I looked up and I was amazed what I saw. Both towers were on fire, and I said we're in a lot of trouble...
...We got through the tunnel. What we saw on the floor was amazing. There were plane parts, cars wrecked, body parts. It looked like Tales of the Crypt. There were arms sticking up in the air and bodies were just shredded all of the place. There was a car that we drove by that the driver's door and the passenger door were open, and there was a plane motor on the back half of the car. Two inches more, and both these guys would have been dead too. That was their ticket. It was amazing. The car was actually cut right in half with this motor, right there back of the front seat...
...I looked our the window. I could see the smoke blowing off the World Trade Center. Several moments later I noticed a second plane and I commented to myself, look at this nitwit, he's so close, and before I realized it, he had crashed into the side of the south tower...
...As we watched the fire from the third floor, we saw the second plane fly right into the center of the building clear as day...
...En route to the staging area, we were going down Columbia Street, saw the second plane strike the building...
...We were returning back there from Battalion 4 and we were going up, I believe it's Pearl Street, and my partner Alex Loutsky and I, we witnessed the first plane hit the first tower. Saw it flying low and we thoughm that plane's flying kind of low, and then it thit the building and we went over the radio and we told central that we had witnessed a plane hitting the building, and at first she didn't believe us, but then other units started saying they saw the same thing...
...Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low com right across us and with a lound, you know, the engines revved up, and I mentioned to him, I said no idea that it towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame...
...I set it up on the tripod in the window facing the Trade Center enclosing the top of -- the top, more like where the cash area was and I started the tape and as I was getting my fire gear ready looking out the window again, when we saw the second plane crash into the second tower
Agree with your second statement but not sure how the vid in the OP 'clearly shows' evidence of having been inserted or tampered with.
Originally posted by LieBuster
reply to post by winston_jones
Agree with your second statement but not sure how the vid in the OP 'clearly shows' evidence of having been inserted or tampered with.
I could show you a clip of a man walking on water and half the world would think it true if i said it was Jesus and yes i say it was faked as do the no planers so to me the question becomes was it deliberate or not.
These people would not make a mistake like that if it was made in hollywood weeks before and i beleive they didn't make a mistake during the seventeen seconds they had to tweak the live footage because the building is a solid object but tweak it they did, that i am sure about.
I realy don't know but i'm not about to start beleiving the nose cone could exit the building so you tell me if it's faked or not and even if we said it was then can we prove it or would we argue about it.
They have split the 9/11 movement over this one and both sides have good points and no one can say this 'confusion' has not worked hte way it was designed to work.
Agree with your second statement but not sure how the vid in the OP 'clearly shows' evidence of having been inserted or tampered with.
Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by winston_jones
Agree with your second statement but not sure how the vid in the OP 'clearly shows' evidence of having been inserted or tampered with.
So are you saying the nose cone is supposed to exit the tower on the other side?
I'm saying it's most probably what it looks like: an elongated cylinder
It was faked, because, without plane, the official story of hyjacked planes and Arab terrorsits wouldn' hold up, obviously.
up to now you have been quite logical so i find it hard to understand your view on this and if your going to go down the route of holograms then why not just fake the whole even in hollywood and play it back later using news plants, smoke and mirrows.