I'm calling for BP's physical removal from the Gulf. They continue to lie.

In obvious lie, BP denies existence of oil plumes

Appearing on no less than three major networks Wednesday, BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles continued to deny the existence of oil plumes underneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.

Suttles' comments came despite the fact that government and university scientists confirmed Tuesday they had found large plumes of oil, according to The New York Times.

"The tests, the first detailed chemical analyses of water from the deep sea, show that some of the most toxic components of the oil are not necessarily rising to the surface where they can evaporate, as would be expected in a shallow oil leak. Instead, they are drifting through deep water in plumes or layers that stretch as far as 50 miles from the leaking well..."

Scientists outside the government noted that the plumes appeared to be so large that organisms might be bathed in them for extended periods, possibly long enough to kill eggs or embryos. They said this possibility added greater urgency to the effort to figure out exactly how sea life was being affected, work that remains in its infancy six weeks after the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded.

"There's yet to be anyone who has found any significant quantities below the surface. Whether that's just below the surface, or at deep levels," Suttles told ABC's Elizabeth Vargas.

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AP journalist dives into Gulf, can only see oil

Some 40 miles out into the Gulf Of Mexico, I jump off the boat into the thickest patch of red oil I've ever seen. I open my eyes and realize my mask is already smeared. I can't see anything and we're just five seconds into the dive.

Dropping beneath the surface the only thing I see is oil. To the left, right, up and down — it sits on top of the water in giant pools, and hangs suspended fifteen feet beneath the surface in softball sized blobs. There is nothing alive under the slick, although I see a dead jellyfish and handful of small bait fish.

AP Diver Story

I have been critical of the handling of this matter since the start, but have stopped short of calling for the outright removal of BP from the site.

I am now calling for the U.S. Government to physically remove BP from the site of the oil spill and the entire Gulf Of Mexico.

In the past the government has said they don't have the resources to cap the well. And this is totally plausible. I actually believe this. However, I am sure there are other oil companies out there who would LOVE to be allowed to come in and handle this.

President Obama said he was looking for an ass to kick. This is how he can start to kick asses.
Remove BP from the site. Forbid them from re-entering the gulf. Bring in an outside company to handle the spill. BP is blatantly lying to the US people, the US Government and the people of the world.

Get them the hell out of there, and get someone in there who has a clue. Confiscate all of their equipment so more doesn't have to be shipped in and prolong this, but get someone who can handle this and has a clue, along with OPENNESS about the issue.

I am fed up, and so is the rest of the US.

If this were any other company from any other industry that had created a charlie foxtrot like this they would have long since been removed.

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I want everyone who agrees with me to add their opinion to this thread. Even if you don't your opinion will be valued. I am going to personally sent my statement here to the White House. I'm fed up!


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BP could have solved the problem in the first week. They do not want to solve the problem. Why? This is a diversion to the economic and financial problems in America. They want this disaster to continue to destroy the best seafood in the world….to destroy the ecology, environment, and the economies of the southern half of the United States. And they want the 100,000 gallons of secret toxic chemicals that they sprayed on the surface to return as acid rain when the hurricane season come. The answer is SIMPLE, they (BP and Obama) do not want to solve this problem. Who owns BP? The major shareholders are the Rothchilds and the Queen of England. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The reason they haven't been physically removed already-

Corporations, including BP,

CONTROL AND RUN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

It's quite obvious.

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I tend ro agree that they have been pretty liberal with the truth since the very beginning. Estimates of the amount of oil flowing have been wildly underestimated as others here have already show.

As far as i can see they continue to lie and the next one may already be in progress as i've posted in my thread here.

Link to thread.

Originally posted by Signals
The reason they haven't been physically removed already-

Corporations, including BP,

CONTROL AND RUN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

It's quite obvious.

that's why I want to say to ATS and all of the American people. It's time to take our government back. The POTUS can either back us and kick their asses out, or he can be complicit.

What to do with the BP exec's that refuse to leave? Have the Coast Guard and or anything else available remove them. For all I care at this point, just turn them all loose in the middle of a Louisiana fishing village.

Here is a little fuel for your fire.

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
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The statement came a day after the U.S. government said water tests showed the existence of underwater plumes
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www.cbc.ca...

BP is clearly telling lies.
Good luck with the thread.

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I really love the bit where they say

Suttles said it "may be down to how you define what a plume is here."

That is pure class

Originally posted by G_man
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I really love the bit where they say

Suttles said it "may be down to how you define what a plume is here."

That is pure class

I am going to have to be really careful in this thread because I could end up getting myself banned because of my mouth!
I'd like to tell Suttles and Tony Heyward what they can do with how I define that "plume" of oil too, but I'll restrain myself for now.

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DrumsRfun said *it all depends how you define honesty and integrity as*

This is soooo obvious.

This isn't just BP though. I'm sure ALL of the oil companies are just as guilty as BP is of skirting the rules, and interpretations of the rules. The problem has been just like Signals said above, that they have the politicians in their back pocket.

The government has for too long allowed them to slide under the radar and the rules, or possibly even encouraged it in previous administrations.

If President Obama is truly wanting to kick some asses, he will no longer allow this to continue. I'm quite certain it wasn't his administration that started this trend. But it can be his that puts an END to it.

No matter what anyone thinks of the President, he can prove to us he is on our side by not allowing this cover up and cluster fudge to continue. He might have been slow to want to go all WWE on the oil people, but so was I. I have made posts commenting on how they have lied. How they have created this problem in the first place, and about how it's more than just oil leaking.

I have had enough and am saying so in this thread though. And hopefully everyone else, including the President has had too. Actions, not words are what matters. Let's see some action!

Webpirate, thanks for creating this thread, it is needed.

BP could have taken care of this "spill" much sooner. They could have capped the well long ago. I agree with a member from here who said they aren't capping the well because there is to be no new drilling in the United States until further notice.

I believe BP hasn't capped the well because they will lose out on owning if not the largest oil reserve in the world but maybe the largest. It's all about greed and power to them.

I would also like to say, President Obama needs to stop talking and start making things happen TODAY!

It is utterly insane and the lies have to stop!
I agree this nightmare has to end, not just slow down!

Most, including myself have no idea the ramifications to come.
We have not begun to suffer yet, we will pay a very heavy price and for a very long time to come.

Frustrated? YES! FED UP? YES!!!

Our voices need to be heard and can be heard.

What is important right now is a direct focus on capping that *snipp-ing* well!!!

Later, we can point fingers.



Thank you webpirate. I know the restraint you are speaking of

Originally posted by Signals
The reason they haven't been physically removed already-

Corporations, including BP,

CONTROL AND RUN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

It's quite obvious.

so true so true!!!

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Remove BP from the site. Forbid them from re-entering the gulf.

That would be sweet, I was think of this, this morning,

I also would love to see communities pull together, what if tens of thousands lined the shore lines ?

Remember when we used to take care of one another, today we wait for the government to act, and look where that has got us.

I'm having a hard time forgiving BP and your government right now...

www.katu.com...

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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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That would be sweet, I was think of this, this morning,

I also would love to see communities pull together, what if tens of thousands lined the shore lines ?

I'm not sure how much I believe about people being arrested for taking pictures on the shores. I can fully understand though if they are in an unsafe area, like standing in the actual oil. However, if tens of thousands of us took to the shore lines to protest and find out the truth for ourselves they can't arrest us all.

Maybe that would even actually open more eyes. I like that idea....

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
I'm having a hard time forgiving BP and your government right now...

www.katu.com...

Me too. I made a video and thread in remembrance of the Gulf about 2 weeks ago and posted it : HERE.

I was thinking about updating it with some more recent photo's and showing more of the extent of the damage and how it has progressed. That site has some good/bad images that really reflect what is going on out there.

And there are still some ATS members who don't believe there really is a problem....

While I'm just as angry at BP as most. I don't see what removing them from the Gulf would accomplish. Unless the US has some sort of oil disaster response team, as inept as they seem to be BP is the most qualified (unless we allow another oil company to take over) to stop and clean up this disaster.

Forest fires rage for months at a time across the west. I never see "oh they could have had that fire out the first week", "the firefighters should be pulled and someone who really knows what they are doing...." In that situation the firemen are the most qualified to get the job done, and it may take a while for them to do it but they generally get it done.

I don't personally think there's anything that BP could have done up to now to stop this leak. I'm not an engineer, or familiar with offshore drilling so I'm really just talking out of the side of my neck, but it seems to make sense.

The disaster in the Gulf from the 70's leaked oil for the better part of a year. While its true they should have learned some valuable lessons from that disaster, and had real, viable plans in place to deal with one, they obviously didn't.

BP has lied and been at the root of one of the biggest disasters to face us, but I don't see anyone else with the experience, manpower, resources and money to get this done.

If you were to pull BP, who would be in charge? I hope you don't plan to put the government in charge, coming from the same groups of people who say the government couldn't run a lemonade stand, how in hell do you expect them to manage this clean up? You can't just pull people of the street and say "hey dude, you wanna run this rover while we try to stop this leak".

I understand everyone's frustrations at BP, and anyone else involved. But I think some people allow their emotions to blind them from thinking clearly.

in a nicey-nice world BP & their leaderships' heads would roll.

but this is exactly what the USA leadership policy makers wanted to happen ---


BP will become the defacto head of all operations aspects as the Chief/Czar,
NGO (non government organization) for the Gulf of Mexico contamination project..


zYou & I are witnessing the next level of the Corporatism-Fascism model.

the bad guys get more power (reflect on just how the FED-Reserve ammassed more power after their credit creation policies)

even though BP is not an American Corporation, they will become the defato leadership on the Gulf oil extraction-transport-delivery-cleanup operations in the USAs coastal waters.
see...(supposed) Experteeze overcome national incorporation profiles, as this is a global problem....

Watch & see how the Øbama WH handlers spin the tragedy into relinquishing power & authority to the trans-national 'BP'
===the USA & the socialist administration (?worse than the neo-cons?)
are using this opportunity to say the BP is funding all the Losses
with no cost to the USA taxpayer--while the Corps of Engineers is still stuck in their own Katrina footprints re: dikes/dams/levees/etc



i see this all as an end-around strategy being pull over our collective eyes by the think-tank & administration shapers of a remodeled American political architecture.




lights out

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I visualized this this morning, and all the people were blowing conch shells,

The god of Preservation, Vishnu, is said to hold a special conch, Panchajanya, that represents life, as it has come out of life-giving waters.

Can you imagine?

Imagine.