Israel Actually found munitions on those ships they raided!

reply to post by Violater1


i must admid that i did get this from a friend of mine via email and didnt dig too far into it. my bad guys! sorry 4 that. i will go kick his ass now! i didnt check the specifics although i did see the vid. soory guys...
not intentionally trying to BS anyone..was in bit of a hurry this morning when i posted it.

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
If that were true why didn't they release that information immediately? Now that they're getting criticized it seems a little convenient that all of a sudden there were heavy munitions all along. Uh huh, sure.

How do you know they didnt release this earlier? If you havent noticed, it seems everyone is pissed at them...well, most everyone.

Originally posted by GerhardSA
reply to post by Violater1

 

i must admid that i did get this from a friend of mine via email and didnt dig too far into it. my bad guys! sorry 4 that. i will go kick his ass now! i didnt check the specifics although i did see the vid. soory guys...
not intentionally trying to BS anyone..was in bit of a hurry this morning when i posted it.

Is not a problem, I only happen to remember seeing the guy in glasses holding the shells when the ship was captured in 2009..

It was deja vu moment and not to worry, I am very prone to similar mistakes when in a hurry...

reply to post by GerhardSA


This video is not of illegal arms found on the Flotilla. I'm fluent in hebrew and this is off another ship quite some time ago.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by bluemirage5]

reply to post by Master Shen long


You are 100% correct; unfortunately I have a pretty good idea who in Israel originally started this hoax. I received the video also and I know who the the person is and all I can say is he is a Reservist in the IDF.

Originally posted by GerhardSA
reply to post by Violater1

 

i must admid that i did get this from a friend of mine via email and didnt dig too far into it. my bad guys! sorry 4 that. i will go kick his ass now! i didnt check the specifics although i did see the vid. soory guys...
not intentionally trying to BS anyone..was in bit of a hurry this morning when i posted it.

Everyone makes mistakes, but you should know to check up on the facts before you brings such stories to ATS and ask us to "send it to as many people as possible".

Especially if it is in the form of sort of of chain-mail, which almost always turns out to be false. If you don't check the facts I guarantee you someone here will.

This is a sensitive subject, so lets be VERY responsible with it and not unintentionally disseminate propaganda and erroneously besmirch the dead.

- Lee

Originally posted by Violater1
GerhardSA did you know that this video was shot several years ago?
Your posting this as if it was from the Turkish Peace Flotilla, yet thoughtsfull found it on Youtube from 2009!
I agree, Mods this needs to go to the Hoax Bin! This video can be found at:
www.youtube.com...

Thank you thoughsfull for finding the truth of this false thread.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Violater1]

Yes but you said...

Originally posted by Violater1
I bet that the anti-Semitics will say that this was all staged.
Yea, right.

You should apologize for calling ATS members antisemitic for questioning this highly dubious video from an unknown "chainmail" source.

That has nothing to do with bigotry, and everything to do with common sense.

Very bad form.

- Lee

Originally posted by Danbones
Remember when Iran was accused of supplying the iraqi resistance?
Then the proof came out and it turned out to be munitions of Israeli American and British manufacture?

Yes they may have found several cases where the resistance used some American or Brit munitions....but really....they had tons of Iraqi munitions stored up and laying around and used it. As if they were being suppied by the US....yea right.

reply to post by lee anoma



Well the point is made and has been made. The IDF has hundreds of miles of footage of captured weapons trying to get into Gaza over the years. The fact is that Hamas was able to get hundreds of rockets into the area for their last rocket assult.

So there were no rockets on the latest shipment....BIG DEAL!

What kind of human filth pays a faimly if thier son or daughter blows themself up somewhere in Israel? One would be a fool not to surch these ships and if they dont like it put them on the bottom of the drink.

Let me tell you what else I found afew days ago....took some checking but my gut instinct was spot on...

Reuters posted a photo of an IDF Naval commando being stripped of all his military gear (then had medical aid applied to his hand for an obvious cut which you don't see but I have that photo also). The Israelis were pissed off when Reuters decided to crop a small part of the photo of an activist holding a knife. I already had copies of the original photo so I decided to do some checking with the IDF Blog for a picture of all the alleged "illegal weapons" found on board the Flotilla ship only to discover that this particular knife was not there. The knife is in fact commonly used among Israeli Naval commandos!!!

What threw me back was the way the activist was holding the knife that caught my suspecions; and like many people say...small details are vital to the bigger picture.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Oh yea...not a single weapon of any sort has ever been sliped into Lebonon or Gaza....no never. Only when a rocket goes off on your street will you get your head out the horses a##.

reply to post by Logarock


Logarock

I'm well aware of how certain factions of Palestinian terrorist organisations paid parents of suicide bombers.

Are you aware of up until 2000 the IDF intentionally targeted tens of hundreds and the numbers may well be afew thousand of young Palestinians for organ harvesting? The Israeli network soon shifted to the USA, Romania, the Ukraine, China & India.

Now I'm going back a bit in history but not too far because many of this generation are still alive....are you aware of the stories of incidents that happened to the 6th Airborne Division of the Royal British Airforce while in Palestine? I'll assume you have some knowledge of the Irgun and Stern gangs.....I'm quite close to this story because I have an uncle who was an airforce pilot in the 6th Airborne Division...and he's still alive to tell his stories today!!!

www.britains-smallwars.com...

reply to post by bluemirage5


Organ harvest is going on all over the world....its a racket... but really doestn confront Israels right to exsist any more than any nation where this trade has been discovered. Its been happening in the US so what are we going to do dismantel the whole nation becouse of some criminals?

The use of the word "gang" to discribe Israeli independent movements or organizations is funny. So they had some hard times with the Brits...

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

Oh yea...not a single weapon of any sort has ever been sliped into Lebonon or Gaza....no never. Only when a rocket goes off on your street will you get your head out the horses a##.

So...you are telling us that it is unimportant that the original premise of this thread is a hoax, because there are other bad guys that smuggle weapons?

Even for a knee-jerk apologist, that really is lame. That reminds me of a phrase attributed to, I think Spiro Agnew..."Justice is incidental to Law & Order".

Sort of like "Truth is incidental to the bigger picture". Don't we kinda discourage that kind of cheap rationalization on this site with the phrase "Deny Ignorance"?

...just sayin'.

reply to post by Logarock


Hard times you say? These Jewish "gangs" were TERRORISTS no better than Hamas of today. The word "terrorist" did'nt exist in the 2nd world war.

If my uncle was in your reality and heard you say that he would without a doubt give you the belting of your life so that you never forget what the Brits, Commonwealth nations and the US did for you and the Western world in ww1 and ww2.

Hard times, yeah? What do you describe the Nazi Death Camps? Tough times perhaps?

The illegal organ havesting in Israel up until 2000 involves the systematic brutal MURDER of young Palestinians because Israel has the lowest organ donation in the world. Whenever an Israeli needed a kidney, liver or heart.....no probs....go shoot a Palestinian! The stories are endless and VERY disturbing....in other stories foreigners were also murdered for Israeli patients.

reply to post by Logarock



And illegal weapons were not smuggled in to Palestine the EXACT same way between 1944 - 1949?

I hope this is bloody wrong but it has been suggested to me that "night vision" (black and white) video that the Israelis released on to the international arena was fake. We also know the Israelis arrived at the Flotilla (or ship in question) at NIGHT, I noticed sections of other video film in colour taken on the said Flotilla ship during all the action was AFTERNOON light because the sun goes down in the West.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Logarock

 

Hard times you say? These Jewish "gangs" were TERRORISTS no better than Hamas of today.

Oh pray tell..how did I know that was your point? Any place else and you would probably call it the Crown meddling. I suppose you think the British Para actions in Ireland on Bloddy Sunday were actions against Irish gang activity.

And no I really dont buy into all the body part stuff...a long way from it. Even at that if thier were nut cases kiddnapping and killing young palestinian males for body parts I seriously dont think they were telling the recipients about it nor was this sanctioned by the government anymore than it is anywhere else.

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by lee anoma

 

Well the point is made and has been made. The IDF has hundreds of miles of footage of captured weapons trying to get into Gaza over the years. The fact is that Hamas was able to get hundreds of rockets into the area for their last rocket assult.

So there were no rockets on the latest shipment....BIG DEAL!

It's a big deal when you lie and say there was after the death of 9 people. One of which was an American.

This video is being used to perpetrate a fraud with the intention to mislead.

That is the point here, not that weapons have been smuggled into Israel in the past but that that wasn't the case here so Israel shouldn't try and lie about to to justify its actions.

Imagine if a judge sentenced you to life for murder, not because you killed anyone that night you took a stroll through the city, but because people who walked in that area of the city have done so in the past.

If you're innocent, you are innocent.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by lee anoma

 

Well the point is made and has been made. The IDF has hundreds of miles of footage of captured weapons trying to get into Gaza over the years. The fact is that Hamas was able to get hundreds of rockets into the area for their last rocket assult.

So there were no rockets on the latest shipment....BIG DEAL!

It's a big deal when you lie and say there was after the death of 9 people. One of which was an American.

This video is being used to perpetrate a fraud with the intention to mislead.

Yes naturally it is. But who really made this film? It could have been made by enimies of Israel so they could bebunk it later as fake and blame it on the Israelis.

But whatever the case....weapons have been going into Gaza and Lebonon for many years...we dont need a fake tape...finding thier way into the hands of anti semitic racist after the nazi model...that teach thier kids that Jews are apes and make comments about going back to the gas chambers. But thats all fake as well....right?