The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

I don't think feminists are ruining the image of men. In their fervent attempts to do so, however, they have ruined the image of feminists.

They are a joke and everybody laughs at them.

a reply to: dean007

Gina Cerrano ,"Haywire".She really KNOWS how to hurt a guy...

originally posted by: guitarplayer

It's kind of funny you have brought this up today we had a diversity training done by HR esposining all the benifits of diversity. The only problem I see is that HR is all women no men how diverse is that?

FINALLY! Someone recognized the big elephant in the room. For the last 3 years at my current job, there have been several women promoted to manager....not one man, and trust me there has been like 12 of them. This was all based on their gender that's quite clear, because many of the men actually had way more credentials.

originally posted by: Aural
Ugh another feminism thread.

Feminism was good when it first started for its original cause and i do agree on some of its views. Problem is feminism is not a single group its various groups with different views so it is highly disorganized these days so you have a lot of idiots going around. You have these feminazis these days making things bad for men and women alike in their attempts to make women conqur all. Then there are feminists who actually do help women and just focus on that. Of course there is also the people who are nothing but people who like to call themselces feminists for no real good reason. There are some good feminists who try to help males and females but this type seems invisible among the other types.

Most feminists or at least the kind who like to talk about it a lot seem to care more about the label feminist than any cause. If someone supports equality but does not agree with feminisms methods be prepraired to be insulted and called a sexist.

Feminism started affirmative action for women which even some feminists at least sane ones agree its harmful. Affirmative action legally assignes women as less capable than a man so much they need special protection. Affirmative action makes males more likely to despize females for special treatment they get and the jobs they steal if they would normally be unqualafied.

I dont agree on the idea they try to demasculanize men but they do sometimes try to make them feel guilty for things they did not do personally and try to make them feel bad for being men so they can be more easily manipulated.

As a male who has been a victim of feminism, and it wrecked my life..with this affirmative action "ace up the sleeve" card to be used over and over. I applaud women like you, who want true equality between women and men and do not choose to abuse the system, simply because it can be done, and is easy to do. you have my respect.

originally posted by: Illuminawty

originally posted by: guitarplayer

It's kind of funny you have brought this up today we had a diversity training done by HR esposining all the benifits of diversity. The only problem I see is that HR is all women no men how diverse is that?

FINALLY! Someone recognized the big elephant in the room. For the last 3 years at my current job, there have been several women promoted to manager....not one man, and trust me there has been like 12 of them. This was all based on their gender that's quite clear, because many of the men actually had way more credentials.

Several years ago (1970's) I was an unskilled white lower income person. I went to CERTA I think that was the name of the program and applied for training for a skill. I filled out all the paper work and was told I did not have enough points to get training but they could help me find a job. I asked the person what would it take to have enough points and was told if i was a female or a minority I could of gotten training. Which I was neither one of them so I got a job instead.

originally posted by: guitarplayer

originally posted by: Illuminawty

originally posted by: guitarplayer

It's kind of funny you have brought this up today we had a diversity training done by HR esposining all the benifits of diversity. The only problem I see is that HR is all women no men how diverse is that?

FINALLY! Someone recognized the big elephant in the room. For the last 3 years at my current job, there have been several women promoted to manager....not one man, and trust me there has been like 12 of them. This was all based on their gender that's quite clear, because many of the men actually had way more credentials.

Several years ago (1970's) I was an unskilled white lower income person. I went to CERTA I think that was the name of the program and applied for training for a skill. I filled out all the paper work and was told I did not have enough points to get training but they could help me find a job. I asked the person what would it take to have enough points and was told if i was a female or a minority I could of gotten training. Which I was neither one of them so I got a job instead.

I know what you mean man. I used to go through that too. What I had to do to finally succeed was to move to another country (anywhere but America) and actually read all kinds of books on women, hypnotism and NLP. I took it seriously and realized that with most of the knowledge and observation....I was able to outsmart this feminist concept. The secret is to know that men are visual, therefore easily conquered, women are internal....but once you know how they think, their desires (secret) and all of the nuances...you can own the soul of a woman..even your boss. Every man reading this post, read books on NLP...put your own personality into it and this evil government feminist plan will not work. I am serious...it works! You can't believe everything you read but NLP is where you want to start. That said, you really have to conquer one woman at a time.....oh yeah, don't EVER, EVER have feelings for them...just make them believe it. Once you fall in love or become infatuated.....your plan has been compromised. I got taken out by a feminist ex-wife, and it destroyed my life, but I then started to hate women..I experimented because I simply did not care about them, in fact I hated them. This was the adjunctive to my studies. We men need to go against our primal desires and control them instead. Use your intelligence...learn women as if you would learn how a deer lives in the wild......only then will you conquer this whole feminist BS. I know, I have done it.

a reply to: Illuminawty

Sounds almost W.C Fields like. Women are like elephants they are nice to look at but I would not want to own one…

Cumquats, Cumquats I don’t have any Cumquats!

a reply to: guitarplayer

In the early 80's I graduated with an AAS Degree in Data Processing and started looking for work in TX when all those other states were telling their unemployed to go to TX they had plenty of job!! I managed to get through the two years of college with the help of grant money but I wanted to earn my way through to the bachelors. My grades were mostly A with a few B and well one low grade in PE because I had gotten sick during that term and was really kind of out of the action in that respect. So I started applying for the jobs that I thought would be in line with that DP degree. About a year later and thousands upon thousands of applications to companies my husband finally told me what the problem was. If there was a man any man applying for that job and there was many! The man would get the job before the women because well he had a family to support she had a husband to support her or danged well should have!

I imagine both sides have some tales to tell!

So a few years went by along with a few kids being born and I tried to enter the workforce again. By this time the cost of child care was beginning to rise just like everything the gov't decides to subsidize for the poor begins to rise.. And well I found that I was still at a disadvantage.. The wages hadn't kept up with the cost of childcare and well those "poor" women didn't have to consider the cost of the childcare when it came to how much they made I did!! So more years went by and the kids grew some and started school. I tried again. Got a job in a printing factory and my husband and me somehow made it so we could for the most part avoid having to pay the childcare. I learned how to run just about every machine in the place and when I quit they had to hire two people to replace me! But well my wages still wouldn't have paid enough for childcare if we had needed it and then they hired someone to do just one aspect of what was able to do and paid him a few dollars more an hour.. And well I hurt my foot trying to move a ton of magnetic stock to a press when the pallet crashed into my foot! So now I was hurting like heck living on 4 hours sleep a night still having just about full charge of the housework and had my husband griping about the doctor's bills while he pawned the kids on his friends everynight so he didn't have to deal with them. I quit that job when I started falling down at work because my foot was mess up.. and again left the workfoce



Illuminawty

" Every man reading this post, read books on NLP...put your own personality into it and this evil government feminist plan will not work. I am serious...it works! You can't believe everything you read but NLP is where you want to start. That said, you really have to conquer one woman at a time.....oh yeah, don't EVER, EVER have feelings for them...just make them believe it. Once you fall in love or become infatuated.....your plan has been compromised. I got taken out by a feminist ex-wife, and it destroyed my life, but I then started to hate women..I experimented because I simply did not care about them, in fact I hated them. This was the adjunctive to my studies. We men need to go against our primal desires and control them instead. Use your intelligence...learn women as if you would learn how a deer lives in the wild......only then will you conquer this whole feminist BS. I know, I have done it. "

conquer?? no wonder you are having such a problem!
So you conquer the women you don't love
do you then proceed to have sex with these women???

a reply to: tothetenthpower

George Carlin did a comedy routine in the 90's about the pussification of the American male, and I have to add that the penisification of the American female led the way.

Women who only needed men as sperm donors so they could raise the children on their own and use the government as the daddy, allowed them to raise males solo.

Now we have a generation of males who whine and belly ache and tattle tell in order to get their way.

Couple that with the fact that cannabis sativa use inhibits the production of testosterone and no wonder the men need viagra and testosterone supplements.

Men will flat out never understand, because they can't see past the male privilege. It's not equal, and I doubt it ever will be. It's much like trying to get someone who's never had depression to understand just how it feels to be depressed. You can't know, because you've never had to deal with it.

At the end of the day, you will find a lot of women can be bitter. It is hard to find decent men (I'm very fortunate to have found a good one). I know maybe a handful of women who have NOT been assaulted by men, and that naturally leaves them weary. After endless catcalls, put downs, public groping from strangers in bars/clubs etc, cars following you while you try to go on a walk/run in your own neighbourhood, it is hard to stay positive, and it's hard to give a sh!t about men complaining that there is all of a sudden an uprising in the amount of women expecting to be treated fairly.

I've personally had 2 separate rapes, 3 sexual harassment issues at one job, had my privates groped when walking through bars COUNTLESS times, had to pretend to be gay with a friend after being surrounded by no less than 10 men at a club, all at least 15 year older, english not their first language, and bigger than both of us, but then we are called bitches for crossing the street from a man, or putting your head down when a random guy is calling out to you - then have to deal with the anger, because as a woman, you should be flattered! it's a compliment that that guy you've never met is calling you things like 'babe' & 'hot' and then if you don't respond to how they want the dialogue to go 'yeah well **** you b*****' 'you're fat/ugly/whore' etc. Can't you imagine how tiring that gets?

originally posted by: bkaust
Men will flat out never understand, because they can't see past the male privilege. It's not equal, and I doubt it ever will be. It's much like trying to get someone who's never had depression to understand just how it feels to be depressed. You can't know, because you've never had to deal with it.

At the end of the day, you will find a lot of women can be bitter. It is hard to find decent men (I'm very fortunate to have found a good one). I know maybe a handful of women who have NOT been assaulted by men, and that naturally leaves them weary. After endless catcalls, put downs, public groping from strangers in bars/clubs etc, cars following you while you try to go on a walk/run in your own neighbourhood, it is hard to stay positive, and it's hard to give a sh!t about men complaining that there is all of a sudden an uprising in the amount of women expecting to be treated fairly.

I've personally had 2 separate rapes, 3 sexual harassment issues at one job, had my privates groped when walking through bars COUNTLESS times, had to pretend to be gay with a friend after being surrounded by no less than 10 men at a club, all at least 15 year older, english not their first language, and bigger than both of us, but then we are called bitches for crossing the street from a man, or putting your head down when a random guy is calling out to you - then have to deal with the anger, because as a woman, you should be flattered! it's a compliment that that guy you've never met is calling you things like 'babe' & 'hot' and then if you don't respond to how they want the dialogue to go 'yeah well **** you b*****' 'you're fat/ugly/whore' etc. Can't you imagine how tiring that gets?

Although all of that is bad. It certainly doesn't warrant ME as a male to pay for the sins of some jack asses out there. I would much rather have to go through all that you have laid out there than what my last ex-wife (a feminist) put me through in court. I will never have a normal life because of what she was able to do to me in court...simply because she was a woman, and women always win in a divorce court against men. I lost all rights to my child, because she got our car and I was in a state all the way on the other side of the country from me, lost my home, and everything that she already had with her that was "ours", all I got was a box of relationship books that I had bought to try to understand what was happening around me in our marriage.
For the next 18-20 years I will be broke and destitute. Get this, I was the one who asked her for a divorce, because SHE was the one who was cheating on me. I wasn't cheating on her, never abused her or anything to deserve what I got. I was the nice guy, kind of how you described your husband. She stole damn near every pay check I made while we were together, along with all of my income tax returns. When I met her...I had no credit, and in 1 year she destroyed my credit, smoke and drank while our child was in utero and the court still gave her the child, she told the court that I did drugs (a lie that the court took serious because well, she was a woman) so I got supervised visits even if I were able to visit. ......and then the court let her destroy the rest of my life, by awarding her so much money that I would make in the future.
I would had much rather been raped, at least it would all be over in an hour. Yeah, there might be some depression afterwards....but not 20 years of it, in finances that my wife was awarded, in monetary amounts that are beyond my pay grade.
How's that for what its like to be a man, living in a world of privileged women.
We men want to be groped, some want to be raped....yep, there's definitely a disconnect between the sexes, but the law is on the side of women, which is what this discussion is about.....feminists and how the law protects women at the expense of men. What you have described is just some men being jerks, that's a personal thing, and doesn't apply to all men.....you said it yourself, you married one.

" ...I would much rather have to go through all that you have laid out there than what my last ex-wife (a feminist) put me through in court.
I would had much rather been raped, at least it would all be over in an hour. Yeah, there might be some depression ...
How's that for what its like to be a man, living in a world of privileged women.
We men want to be groped, some want to be raped....yep, there's definitely a disconnect between the sexes, but the law is on the side of women, "

I'm sorry, that has to be some of the most distasteful, tactless and insensitive commentary on someone's experience of sexual violence I've had the displeasure of reading on this site...

originally posted by: bkaust
Men will flat out never understand, because they can't see past the male privilege. It's not equal, and I doubt it ever will be. It's much like trying to get someone who's never had depression to understand just how it feels to be depressed. You can't know, because you've never had to deal with it.

At the end of the day, you will find a lot of women can be bitter. It is hard to find decent men (I'm very fortunate to have found a good one). I know maybe a handful of women who have NOT been assaulted by men, and that naturally leaves them weary. After endless catcalls, put downs, public groping from strangers in bars/clubs etc, cars following you while you try to go on a walk/run in your own neighbourhood, it is hard to stay positive, and it's hard to give a sh!t about men complaining that there is all of a sudden an uprising in the amount of women expecting to be treated fairly.

I've personally had 2 separate rapes, 3 sexual harassment issues at one job, had my privates groped when walking through bars COUNTLESS times, had to pretend to be gay with a friend after being surrounded by no less than 10 men at a club, all at least 15 year older, english not their first language, and bigger than both of us, but then we are called bitches for crossing the street from a man, or putting your head down when a random guy is calling out to you - then have to deal with the anger, because as a woman, you should be flattered! it's a compliment that that guy you've never met is calling you things like 'babe' & 'hot' and then if you don't respond to how they want the dialogue to go 'yeah well **** you b*****' 'you're fat/ugly/whore' etc. Can't you imagine how tiring that gets?

Well, all the things you have described are issues. I'm a little unsure as to why you think men don't also have issues and even share those which you find to have been prominent in your life. Granted, there are issues often peculiar to gender and I could list a few things as damaging to men and often caused by women - yet there is no 'masculinist' movement.

A huge problem in this world is the perception of 'us' and 'them'. I hope one day you can move past where you currently are from that perception and realise that we are in this sh** together and not separately.

Feminism is such an offensive thing that it's goes beyond being funny, to outright socially and personally destructive.

originally posted by: wagtail

" ...I would much rather have to go through all that you have laid out there than what my last ex-wife (a feminist) put me through in court.
I would had much rather been raped, at least it would all be over in an hour. Yeah, there might be some depression ...
How's that for what its like to be a man, living in a world of privileged women.
We men want to be groped, some want to be raped....yep, there's definitely a disconnect between the sexes, but the law is on the side of women, "

I'm sorry, that has to be some of the most distasteful, tactless and insensitive commentary on someone's experience of sexual violence I've had the displeasure of reading on this site...
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Well, if you're a woman today that believes in the feminist agenda, and thinks that it is JUST equality.....get used to it! I am glad it is displeasurable for you. You brought it on yourself...and it will get worse for women today, I assure you. You either agree with feminism and await the reciprocity, or remember that the average man did noting to women way back in (whatever days) to deserve what we are experiencing today, by women who are being protected by the government...just to emascualte men against a government installation of a police state.

Men used to be gentlemen, despite all of this BS rhetoric from the 50's and 60's (which are no longer relevant). The government may not have given you rights to be called a person,.....but the average man did nothing to you back then, but to lay his coat across a mud puddle for you to walk across. Is it insensitive? Read what I posted again! A feminist did that to me, and it was NOT insensitive? At this point in my life ...you're right. I was once a gentleman, I did care, I loved. After seeing what women today are capable of. I wised up. You want empathy....go to another woman. After what my ex-wife did to me....I have no more empathy for a woman whatsoever. If I saw you getting beat in the street by a man, I would walk on by...Why? BECAUSE YOU WOMEN TODAY HAVE BROUGHT IT UPON YOURSELVES! You blame men for your inequality (years ago), when the average man was just trying to live and get by as anyone else, and even provided for the wife who could not get the job she so desired. But do you give that man credit for feeding his family and supporting his wife? NO!
You blame all men for your "perceived" suffering, which you weren't even alive to experience,...just riding the coat tails of what a book tells you. Here is the real truth.... either a man fed you with his paycheck back in those days when you couldn't work.....or either you never lived in those days, and have no personal experience to complain....as women today are pampered by the government and handed everything on a silver platter...at the expense of a man usually, ...ALL IN THE NME OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! Either way, I would expect you to thank a man for keeping you alive, or giving you your freedom today. If men were so in charge that women had no status, or could not even get a job...or better yet...was not even considered a human being. THEN THANK A MAN, ...BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE A MAN, TO GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO BE A HUMAN BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE! No woman crying in the streets with a picket sign can change anything ...its just more noise. It took a man to give you your chance.

Picoting doesn't not bring change, it brings nothing but a crowd of annoyance to the government. If you want to blame someone for your past.....blame the US Government (the entity that has no face), as they make the decisions....not the average man, who has (at least in the past) held doors open for women. That's what was here before. Men today? We will no longer do that for you, because you blame us and attack us for things we know nothing about. You drag us through courts and rip us off, you have movies where women are systematically kicking the @sses of men by the droves and expect the world to believe its reality. You are protected by the government, just to weaken men by emasculation tactics, and you expect me NOW to have empathy for you? I was once a gentleman, I realize now how weak I once was. I gave all to my ex-wife (a professed feminist), and all she did was take and use me. My love for that woman, took everything that I had, and even sent me down a dirt road to Hell, when I once walked with Jesus, Hell one time she even asked me to choose between her and God....I chose God, and she was less than jubilant about it.

That said, yes....I was insensitive to say that, but then what she did to me was MORE insensitive, a feminist stole from me almost everything while married, even more while divorced and even ripped my soul apart. You want empathy from me? Never again! Women today want a gentleman simply because he will be a good footstool for them, a rug that they can wipe their feet on. I will never be that guy again! I like women today, but only because I have read the books and realize that if a man no longer wears his heart on his sleeve....but pretends to, and knows how a woman really thinks today, and what she really desires?......He can own her soul. You see, women are "internal", all those emotions and feelings, but they act hard in the face of social stigma, but are really as soft as always. Once a man knows that a woman is still the same woman as from the days of old......and he puts aside his carnal desires for a cause? He can crush her even more than she could ever crush him.

Ahhh, the Achilles heel of a woman.....her emotions, her empathy, feelings...her very soul! I now know how to control this........and I am having a blast.(NOTE - GUYS...research NLP). Lack of sympathy for women today...that's me. Lack of empathy and caring....that's, lack of understanding and caring....me again. As aforementioned, I was once the nicest guy you could know......NO MORE! (Note...I will still never abuse a woman physically, but then I will never save one again from danger as I have in the past. Women have made it quite clear that hey are All Powerful and "don't need no man". So be it.)

[The Feminist's Anthem..and the male answer to it!]
(warning, if you think bad words are going to secure your place in Hell, you had better not watch this video, there are a couple of bad words in here that may make a persons ears ...who has never sinned..it may make their ears bleed.) Your eyes may blow up as well...you have been warned! I am not accountable, nor is ATS for your explosive body parts.---no kidding though, if you are under aged, Under 18, do not view this video or your genitals will shrivel the next time you get lucky. I would not take that chance.....its a curse, take it seriously! (I so hate this stupid political world. You have to warn people to use their own minds, as we wouldn't want to traumatise people in the west while children in the middle east get their heads cut off by ISIS.....but YOU, here in our stupid world....You...fear Marilyn Manson's bad words!!! Damn, this world sucks!)
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Go, and have a good life. I hope it gets better for you one day... I feel sorry for you, you've been really damaged...a reply to: Illuminawty

originally posted by: wagtail
Go, and have a good life.

I hope it gets better for you one day... I feel sorry for you, you've been really damaged...a reply to: Illuminawty

Damage is what the feminist movement does. Rather than feel sorry for anyone, it's a better idea to stop it from happening so we can all move right along and not linger on the negativity that an earlier male-dominant and later female-lying-sacks-of-complaining-manure culture has left as a legacy of our recent past.

Onwards and upwards from here, I say!

a reply to: bkaust

I truly am sorry to hear about what you have experienced in your life so far and hope you are at a stage now where you can experience peace and happiness.

Unfortunately, while I prefer not to judge you by your bitter, resentful attitude towards men in general, it is logically skewed and unreasonable. Just because you have encountered those men does not mean that most men behave and think in such a manner. Just like women HATE being judged as a whole by the actions of certain women, men don't like it either. It's unfair and unreasonable.

We are all individuals. Don't forget that.

a reply to: spirited75

Sexuality fogs the mind the other stuff allows SOME to focus.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
I don't think feminists are ruining the image of men. In their fervent attempts to do so, however, they have ruined the image of feminists.

They are a joke and everybody laughs at them.

It's not that they have ruined the image of men. They have structured society in such a way that true masculine aspects are no longer respected and even criticized...

originally posted by: AProphet1233
As I man I do feel unfairly demonized by the feminist movement, sometimes like I'm a victim. My self-esteem definately isn't where it should be.

Most females want to take your dignity, but that's not enough for them they want your pride, your money, your self-respect. And when they can't squeeze out anymore they want you dead.

But hey, I always tell myself "The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory."

I am not certain about my self esteem really having anything to do with women at this point.....but man feminists sorts can be a major pain in the azz. And I am not talking about anything that challenges my ideas about the way things should be or anything like that. I am talking about the constant drip and harp.

There was a lady around here that got let go from a position and went on about how they couldn't stand a strong female....which many of have learned over the years mean PAIN IN THE AZZ!