June 7th 2010 Leaked Document! Washington Briefing Deepwater Horizon Interim Incident Investigation

this whole situation has me spinning around in circles. keep us updated, good info.

this whole situation has me spinning around in circles. keep us updated, good info.

This is from 24th may , so whats the point ?

The document that is presented is a document by BP... This proves nothing other than BP has submitted a document that was put together by the company it's self.. This is like the government investigating it's self or I.A. investigating a mis-hap inside a police dept. Of couse it shows negligence on their behalf what else would it say? And I'm not defending them at all I'm just saying they put together this document that "show" what might have happened. But we don't know if it was just on of those things or a much worse matter that BP is using it's own data to cover up.

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This hole in the bottom of the ocean will have the same effect as a gnat on a bull's horn, or a pimple on an elephants rear end.

My own 2 cents here, speaking as a nion-professional: I think it's about greed and laziness and looking the other way...but not conspiracy...okams razor says the most simple explanation is probably the correct one.

I believe big oil got in bed with the govt. to over look requirements, etc. so they could make more money...and this is what happened.

I do not believe it is part of a big, dark plan...i think it part of a big, greedy, stupid plan that has bit them (really us) in the ass.

Originally posted by OneNationUnder
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I totally agree. They're setting SOMETHING up for the not-so-distant future, whether it's a nefarious bill they want passed, or more Government regulations, or whatever.

The timing of this "spill" is rather a bit too perfect as well. So much talk by the media over the past year about America's dependence on oil.

Something else that is odd, any little thing and gas prices go up --especially for summer holidays, but with this spill the National Average has stayed the same. According to Jim Tucker the Bilderburg Meeting had decided gas prices would stay under $3 / gallon through the summer and rise in November, despite the spill.

For them not to raise gas prices because of this spill seems very odd.

I think they're creating a permanent oil crisis that will start to effect the world in November in various ways and means and that situation will lead to many things disappearing forever --like $3 or $4 gas will never be seen again, or like 9/11 led to a permanent erosion of many privacy and American civil liberties.

This manufactured crisis has me worried and I think it has something to do with speeding up their "Green Agenda." It's either that or the rising of the sea floor will finally lead to Atlantis rising from the deep, lol. Hey, ya never know, lol!

lol indeed my friend. if the sea levels are rising then Atlantis( if it exists) will be sinking ever under. how can the RISE of water cause a sunken city to rise??????

This is not a leaked document.

This and seventy-five other documents are available on the Committee on Energy and Commerce Website here

delius


[edit on 7-6-2010 by delius]

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No I happen to think something far more nefarious is in the works than a Green Agenda.

9/11 got us:

Patriot Act (Largest Violation of the Constitution and civil rights in American history at the time)

2 foreign countries invaded at the cost of 1 trillion dollars

The largest expansion of Government into a Police State in US history known as the DHS.

etc., etc., etc.


That was only bringing 3 buildings and damaging another.


The Gulf Oil Spill is threatening an entire Eco-System that will have global effects.

As well 40-50 million people in Gulf region are now at risk of getting sick on a scale we cannot imagine that is amplified by the chemicals we are dropping in the water.

This biggest question to ponder:

Why would they blatantly ignore all the options that the entire country is volunteering to put forth to clean this spill for the only option that does not work but makes everyone in the area extremely sick?

Anybody else a little confused about the part that mentions that the, "ROV indentified undocumented modifications to the hydraulic control system; the extent of these modifications is unknown"? Just curious. Seems a bit awkward that ANY type of mods to the HCS would go undocumented/unreported.


Cheers,
Strype

Did I read that right? pressure of oil as it enters the well is 12,000 psi??
To put that in perspective, tap water comes out at about 40 to 45 psi.

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That is great and all, but I am not a engineer, nor am I a geologist or geothermal specialist, so I tend to leave matters that require these areas of expertise to those who are qualified to handle such problems ( I have met a couple of engineers since joining this website though, including one who is a PE)

I do not walk into law firms and court rooms and tell judges and lawyers how to practice their craft and I would certainly not take too kindly if they came into the mathematics lab that I work at and tell me how to balance differentials or parabolics. It is a simple matter of professional courtesy.

That said, it is increasingly easy in our age of mass information for almost any High school dropout to make criticisms of scientists, engineers and researchers, but that does not make them necessarily valid.

I won't defend the actions of British Petroleum other than to say they have an inherent motivation to solve any technical difficulties they may have as rapidly as efficiently as possible, but that will never stop some 35 year old punk that still lives in his mothers basement from trying desperately to get attention on matters they can't remotely fathom.

Has anyone at all got any idea why the gulf region is having such bad luck? Seems they didn't get what they wanted after the Hurricane there so now they are trying this. What is so important about this region that they might would kill for it? Any ideas? Seems they want ALL the people away from this area for some reason. They may get it this time. They may have to move all the people somewhere else.

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Just an idea but... there are alot of regional crops in the gulf coast area that are detrimental to human health.
see this...mother earth news
Maybe they're out to destroy our food supply?

Originally posted by delius
This is not a leaked document.

This and seventy-five other documents are available on the Committee on Energy and Commerce Website here

delius


[edit on 7-6-2010 by delius]

If it's true then people have to know it before trying to explain this document. Can anybody check if what Delius says is true ? I can't download anything from where I am sorry.

[edit on 7/6/10 by DAMOo]

Its strange in this situation the answer is usually so easy to find after the incident has happened...but in this case it seems like nobody really knows what happened...why is that...the mistake should be evident but its not...something funny going on here...

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Maybe thats because the "accident" is miles underneath the ocean.

Wow.. can't believe you work at home rocket scientists can't even put two and two together. If you had read this post billyjack's Petroleum Engineer's Description of the Blowout, then you could get an understanding of this disaster and what apparently is now a vindicated and truthful post. Maybe some data may be imperfect, but if you compare what he has decribed and what BP has presented, they match up pretty damn well. The data presented in the BP document is confusing but they did start experiecing unexplainable rises in pressure in many of the test probes throught the well in the final hours and the final and disasterdly mistake appears in the last line in the document just as billyjack described.

At the time of the incident driling fluid was being displaced from the well with seawater in preparation for setting the final cement plug

If you read billyjack's post, you will see he described in perfectly and in my opinion deserves some major credit.

When the rig sank the riser was still attached to the wellhead and fell over & split in a reported 3 places. It w as reported that 16.5 #/gallon drilling mud was in the riser and the well blew out when it was replaced with seawater. To understand the physics I will try to explain hydrostatic head. The pressure created from a column of fluid in an oil well is identical to the reason you have water pressure out of the tap at the kitchen sink. Water which weighs 8.33 #/gallon is put into a water tower 100’ up in the air. Fresh water has a hydrostatic head equal to .433 psi per foot of height. Therefore you get 43.3 psi at your shower head. If water weighed 16 #/gallon then you would have 86.6 psi in the shower.
Similarly as an oil well is drilled there is a fluid known as “drilling mud” that is pumped into the drillpipe, through the drillbit & circulated back to the surface where it is screened to remove the soil dug out of the well. This “mud” is carefully monitored to make sure that if encounters oil or gas it is heavy enough to keep it from flowing into the wellbore. The well in question had to have 16.5 #/gallon mud weight to keep the oil & gas from flowing. The hydrostatic head of the mud of this weight as opposed to fresh water is .86 psi/ft. This means that the pressure in the oil reservoir encountered must be nearly 20,000 psi. ((18,000 + 5000) X .86). As the oil replaced the column of mud that would offset this bottomhole pressure it began flowing faster & faster into the annulus with more & more force as the weight of the 23,000 foot column of fluid became lighter & lighter. When the “company man” (the BP guy in charge) removed 16.5 #/gallon mud from the riser with 8.4 #.gallon sea water he immediately reduced the hydrostatic pressure 2000 psi & it was over.

If you also take into consideration the # values he was talking about concering the PSI of the gushing oil and gas, the valves and the failsafe measures were not addequate according to the BP document describing their failsafe measures and their max loads.

So if your looking for an explanation of this document and what it is really telling you, then look to the above referenced ATS link and compare it to billyjack's take on the situation.

Also, been watching the web cams for sometime now, anyone really seeing any changes from when they started this new "operation bullcrap" procedure ? Looks like just as much is coming out since they cut the pipe to increase the flow 20%. LOL now they say they are getting maybe around 10%-20% of the new increased flow... do the math.

Poppa D

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
I can't say this enough times... BP is like Lee Harvey Oswald, Tim McVeigh, or 9/11 Bombers... they are scapegoats, at some levels perhaps unknowingly, as a means to an end.

This oil "spill" is only an excuse for some policy as yet to be unseen. I will bet with out a debt that the end to come from this will neither justify the means nor will it be good for the common peasant. Just as the patriot act came from 9/11.

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I, too, have the same feeling about this situation.

I believe that it is safe to say that everything that the government does has a purpose. What that purpose is may not always be clear to those of us on the "outside", however there is a reason for each and every thing that those in power do.

One might argue that that mentality has no relation to the oil spill, but I am inclined to disagree. BP, as well as any such massive corporation, is deeply meshed in with the government. Not to mention the fact that if the government sincerely gave a damn about what has happened, they'd be pouring every possible resource into implementing a solution. Instead what we have witnessed is something bordering on apathy. The lip service we have seen from Obama and the lack of progress on the part of BP point, in my opinion, to something else going on.

Perhaps approaching this with a "Problem, Reaction, Solution" mentality, one can do some sort of reverse engineering to determine what purpose there could be for such an intentional disaster. What could the powerful folks gain by destroying the ecology of the Gulf of Mexico, possibly displacing a great many people from their coastal homes, perhaps impacting the weather not only in the southeastern United States but beyond as well, and who knows what else? Government controlled oil? A tighter grip on energy production? Covering up something else in the Gulf? I wonder if we'll ever find out.

There is an older but still excellent non-technical paper by Richard I. Cook, MD:

How Complex Systems Fail (PDF)

Of course, it doesn't really fit in with the "conspiracy" so many are salivating to find, still, it is a glimpse into not only human psychology before - during - and after, it also [might] help those unfamiliar with complex systems to be introduced to the concept that ALL complex systems ALWAYS operate with at least SOME level of failure present.

And, for the truly adventurous there is also the concept of cascading failures.

Really Short Version: Sometimes.... Crap Happens but being the human beings we all are, we just gotta point a finger and say IT'S HIS/HER FAULT!!! DAGGUMMIT!.