The Protocols of the Learned elders of zion

I have little time investigating your unsubstantiated, unreferenced claim about Darville.

I know, though, that the definition of a loan is THE ONLY copy in a +70 page political pamflet that is more or reprised from by Joly's book.

To Wally: of course, the Rockefellers and Rotschilds ARE Jewish.

By the way, we should try to make Wikipedia's article on the Protocols more neutral. See the discussion page for the latest points. Those who want to add their two cents, are welcome.

The article is written by pro-Jewish contributors, citing pro-Jewish sources, refusing to shine a neutral light on the political pamflet's origin. The internet is riddled with Israeli and masonic speaking of anti-semitism and nazi propaganda.

Instead of simply sticking to neutrality: we don't know who wrote the story, we can only represent the facts.

Who the Elders of Zion are, is quite an interesting story. From the translator of the book:

The late Walter Rathenau of the Allgemeiner Electricitaets Gesellschaft has thrown a little light on the subject and doubtless he was in possession of their names, being, in all likelihood, one of the chief leaders himself. Writing in the [en.wikipedia.org... Wiener Freie Presse], December 24, 1912, he said: 'Three hundred men, each of whom knows all the others, govern the fate of the European continent, and they elect their successors from their entourage.'

Originally posted by sunode
I have little time investigating your unsubstantiated, unreferenced claim about Darville.

Uh, OK dude... I only used the Helen Darville example as a demonstration that a literary work doesn't have to be stolen and reproduced in its entirety to be classified as plagiarism.

www.google.com.au...

In the meantime, Wikipedia, a supposedly neutral online encyclopedia, presents a bad article on the Protocols. The stance is that this leaked pamflet is a total anti-zionist fabrication by the Russian security police!

Subjective, nationalistic or inadequate sources are quoted to try and prove this -- which doesn't succeed. Other viewpoints are swept away. A contributor got blocked because he wanted a more neutral approach. He was treated as an anti-semite for that.

His addition on possible authorship of the Protocols was not even considered.

A more neutral approach is incumbent via Google Knol --> Protocols of the learned elders of Zion

So events as described in the protocols and events that are and have been happening in the world are just co-incidence?

Why all the fuss about who wrote them?
That is the least of our worries.

Fact is the protocols look like a plan or script for the events that are affecting the lives of every one of us.

If the truth were ever known, I think you would find that they began to take shape thousands of years ago. In practice, they have been updated to include the use of modern communication systems.

Originally posted by OhZone
So events as described in the protocols and events that are and have been happening in the world are just co-incidence?

What events? Could you stipulate exactly what you mean?

Well, for one: the recent stock market crash triggered by Rotschild-owned banking corporations like Citigroup. Which rhymes perfectly with the financial strategy described in the political protocols:

"In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers [...] is the power of gold. Time was when faith ruled."
"This [...] will be further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill."
"We shall soon begin to establish huge monopolies, reservoirs of colossal riches, upon which even large fortunes of the goyim will depend to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the States."

Other than that, every president except J-F-K is Jewish. 'Nuff said.
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

reply to post by sunode


Horse hockey.
Washington was Christian, he attended four Churches every Sunday. Jefferson was a Deist. Jackson was a Christian.
Both Roosevelt's were a Episcopalian, so was Gerald Ford.

Most of the founding fathers followed some version of Christianity.

And as for your evnts, that could be describing the Crash of 1929, number of recessions in the following seventy or so years, on up to today, or going back in history, the deprssion in the 1800s following the Civil War.


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Originally posted by sunode
Other than that, every president except J-F-K is Jewish. 'Nuff said.
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Mate, you couldn't have posted a more false statement if you'd tried.

There has never been a Jewish President or Vice-President of the United States of America.

The only Jewish person who has even STOOD for the one of the major parties as a candidate for either of those positions was Joe Lieberman in 2000.

I am pretty much satisfied that I don't need to pay heed to anything you post, as it is clearly based on data so erroneous that it defies belief.

It is obvious.

The people who say the Protocols are fake are trying to compensate for something.

The Protocols themselves tell you that you will be distracted in endless discussion.

I believe they're technically reacting to anti-semitics -- for real, that's how they call it.

How many of you have actually paid attention to the content of the protocols?

Having done that you should have little problem seeing that they have been a guide for what is happening now.

This has NOTHING to do with Jews.(who are not Semites-the Palistinians are Semites.)

The Protocols of Zion have nothing to do with the Jews?

Maybe you should tell that to all of the descendents of the Jews who were murdered in progroms which were sparked by the publication and distribution of the Protocols...

I'm starting to think those exterminations of Jews were part of a scapegoat dialectic to escape guilt in the first place. As the victims, Jews wouldn't be held responsible for the influence they had, nor be associated with the people in power.

It's part of the Jewish psychology of low self-appraisal, and a knack for sacrificial rites, to give up people for serve a wider goal.

Jewish diplomats have always been responsible for overthrowing democratic governments. From Napoleon, over Marx-Lenin, up to Hitler (Jewish ancestry, funded by Jews), all of them were openly anti-semitic.

A little scoop perhaps: who's the new anti-Semite of the day? According to some Mullahs, Ahmadinejad has an Israeli background: "Mehdi Khazali, the son of the conservative Ayatollah Khazali, has written on his personal website that he recently learned that President Mahmud Ahmadinejad has Jewish roots."

So the Jews are responsible for killing and persecuting themselves more than any other people group in the history of humankind?

There's only one thing wrong with your theory, dude: It's monumentally stupid.

The Japanese dropped the bomb on themselves.
The other world leaders quickly got the message that the Japanese had atomic weapons and were not afraid to use them.
Soon we were sending all our money to Japan in exchange for transistor radios.
Then came the cars.

Then.... Godzilla!

Not even the Obamic bomb can destroy Godzilla!

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Well, there's a reason for that. There 's something to the idea that the holocaust involves a level of deceit hard to fathom.

Jews are descendants from an old Semitic race, which has an extraterrestrial origin. Semitics have an inclination for spells, witchcraft, magic, and disappearing tricks.

They also, as we know, believe in ritual sacrifice -- that's what I alluded to in the previous message. To Jews, innocent sheep are exhilirating to put out of their misery.

With control over the USA, Jews' main satanic focus lies now on the hidden space program. Black projects exist in which the idea of the 'anti-creator' is put into activation; a combination of zero-point energy and translucidity is used to annihiliate life on other planets.

I myself had trouble identifying links between the Jesuit orders of
the Vatican and the Zionist influences of Israel.

My research eventually led me to an obscure factor known formerly as the
Khazar Empire of eastern Europe. Look into it. There's some information
on the link below, but I recommend seeking out as many sources as possible.

www.christusrex.com...

...At present, given the information that I have managed to sift through,
I believe that the Khazar people were under a rule of Babylonian-style law.
I think that perhaps their sudden conversion to Judaism was a false one and
quite possibly motivated by more hidden agenda's than history reflects.

I encourage you to draw your own conclusions...