Australian Spiral event : Preliminary analysis

Originally posted by JimOberg


WHY is such previous documentation of precursor events NOT more widely available on the UFO websites? WHY do so many eager, enthusiastic ufo-newbies get allowed to jump to conclusions based on inadequate -- even, perhaps, deliberately slanted -- data?

Why can't internet search engines more efficiently FIND such contrarian points of view and raw data?


JimO

Yes, that is an intriguing question.

While Ufology isn't my speciality, I'm not exactly completely new to it. However I was surprised to see the examples you gave. Not because I have such an extensive knowledge of spirals (clearly lol!) and other atmospheric phenomena regarding rocket launches, but that on ATS in general there seems to be such doubt about these explanations. Also, why should there be such shock when they arise!?! Maybe it was due to the fact that the Norway Spiral was so perfect (geometrically speaking) to the casual observer. Or perhaps it's that we've had several in such a short space of time?

Might I suggest mate that you do a thread on these earlier spirals! It would be doing ATS a great service...please don't tell me you already have, I've already had to eat humble pie from you once today!!

All the best, kiwifoot

Very good work. A great read and your analysis was perfect. Case closed! (Too bad, we all love a good mystery once in a while!)

i've just found this article, which may/may not bring some new info:
www.itwire.com...

sorry no time to pick through at the moment as i'm at work.

Originally posted by ceetee
i've just found this article, which may/may not bring some new info:
www.itwire.com...

sorry no time to pick through at the moment as i'm at work.

ceetee ...

Many thanks for that link which serves to confirm my own Falcon 9 trajectory path over Australia and especially over Queensland ... always a good thing to get external confirmation that my estimation was pretty much spot on.

The following image shows a comparison between the ground track for the Falcon 9 and my estimate of the trajectory superimposed on the globe.

Source of ground track: Discover Magazine


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bf086c1e1f17.jpg[/atsimg]

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reply to post by tauristercus


Your trajectory was pretty much exact mate!

Kudos again!

IRM

Awesome OP, dude.
S&F

reply to post by kiwifoot


Great question!!!

We have never seen this before. Why now?

After all those elaborations, it can't answer this simple begging question.

Why now and also why not in some areas like Texas?

I would like to think it is more related to the incoming celestial object.

The ancient cave drawings of the same spiral pattern in the sky make me wonder this happened before. If this phenomena repeat more frequently in the future, we will know this has nothing to do with any missiles.

reply to post by notsoperfect


One more comment I would like to make is that the spiral light is an electromagnetic effect. It is not like a simple firework or a trajectile pattern that a solid rocket can make in the sky. This phenomenon is deeply related to the Earth's magnetic field and the incoming ionized particles emanated from some celestial object. It has been reported recently that the earth's magnetic field has gone haywire. I think these are all related.

Originally posted by notsoperfect
reply to post by kiwifoot

 

Great question!!!

We have never seen this before. Why now?

After all those elaborations, it can't answer this simple begging question.

Why now and also why not in some areas like Texas?

I would like to think it is more related to the incoming celestial object.

Aren't you reading the posts here that address EXACTLY that question?

Maybe YOU haven't seen it before, but people all over the world have been seeing it for decades, since spaceflight began.

Even in Texas, where I live and watch the sky.

Just because YOU have never seen it, or read about it on the websites you frequent, doesn 't mean it never happens.

Please read some of the links I've posted for examples.

reply to post by tauristercus


Nice work!! SOMETHING interesting, is going-on, for sure!!
I'm not sure I buy the "Falcon9" excuse- but, IF it was a USAF payload, and NOT a dummy... all bets are off.

reply to post by notsoperfect


The scaling of "electromagnetic effects" relative to the resolution of the human eye and man-made cameras would suggest that, no, my friend, it is some macroscopic source which is creating the eye candy.

Now, it could be, as you mystic-ignoramouses like to say, an "electromagnetic effect", but it would have to be caused by a large mass doing something, not a photon path in the atmosphere. And it couldn't possibly be the influx of "ionizing radiation" (which, by the way, happens ALL THE TIME and without scintillator crystals, cannot be transformed into something visible by the human eye).

If you want to talk image theory, let's go, boy. Try your best.

reply to post by tauristercus


Excellent work I'm with you on this one.

reply to post by tauristercus


One thing , the space x rocket went to launch angle of 28.5 degrees as it was launched from florida... not 34.5...which would be the angle from the other launch site

Info from space x itself...

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Why, is everyone so willing to swallow this Idea of a rocket launch, when it is in my view undoubtedly something quite different. I agree it maybe, either a, government black project like Harrp, or say an attempt at BlackHole generation, Whatever is being seen in the sky's over multiple countries, is so secret or dangerous, governments, will go to great length in their attempts to debunk any sightings, as a simple missile launch or natural occurring phenomenon.

If anyone has cared to notice, these events resemble, hundreds of spiral pictographs carved, and or painted on stone monuments, as well as cliff wall paintings from all ages. Including some of our own Native American pictographs, painted on the sides of sandstone cliffs, that I have seen with my own eyes.

They also hold a strong resemblance to many of the crop circles, we see in many parts of the earth, with more appearing each year. That I believe is a form of Mathematical communication.

So before we right all this off as some missile launch, and I agree that with such fine research by some researchers in this thread, a case can be made for this idea.

Lets use our conspiratorial minds, and look a little deeper. I for one think something this momentous needs some hard thinking, outside the rational box.

I wish you well

RR

reply to post by tauristercus


Having read your entire post, it is my belief that the actual "rocket/missile" did not cause the spiral but was merely in the proximity to give TPTB the ability to hide what truly causes these spirals.

I can not see how or what these "rockets/missiles" could be carrying that would be used to make the spiral in a flat plane or two dimensional "appearing" space. WHY, is the question and for what purpose.

Odd indeed.

Edit for spelling

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reply to post by KittyKat666


You have a good idea here. It again, is my opinion that WE are being set-up. It is also my belief that if Aliens do exist, they are non-violent and only interested in how we have developed, maybe we are decendants of them? But I DO believe that TPTB are trying to scare us into believing that Aliens are dangerous and are looking to kill us all. BUT, these Aliens could have done that thousands of years ago when there were far fewer people. WHY NOW? It would stand to reason, that TPTB are the ones who want us gone, so they can have the world as their playground and do as they will, Masonic idiot, Aleister Crowley's moto, do as thou will.

So I think these spirlas are to induce a fear into people to get them to start contemplating an invasion of BS proportions from an unknown entity.

that is too funny.

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by tauristercus

 

One thing , the space x rocket went to launch angle of 28.5 degrees as it was launched from florida... not 34.5...which would be the angle from the other launch site

Info from space x itself...

Most of the conflicting views expressed here seem to be traceable to people just having false 'factoids'. Here's some posts from Canadian space observer Ted Molczan, the guy who (with friends) tracked down the top secret USAF X-37B a few weeks ago):

The first TLE of 10026A / 36595 has appeared on Space Track. Orbit is 34.5 deg, 239 km X 280 km.


Ted Molczan:

satobs.org...
The Falcon 9 test payload, which is attached to the rocket's 2nd stage
(10026A / 36595), appears to account for the phenomenon. It exited eclipse (umbra) on Jun 05 at 05:48:06 AM local standard time (Jun 04, 19:48:06 UTC) at azimuth 229 deg, elevation 16 deg; culminated at about 05:49:42, at az 161, el 42; and passed below 10 deg elevation at 05:51:57, at azimuth 86 deg. Angular velocity at culmination was 1.2 deg/s.

This is consistent with the approximate time, direction of travel (SW - NE, W - E), and the apparent high speed, reported here:
www.abc.net.au...
This occurred about 65 min after launch, so perhaps the 2nd stage was
dumping excess propellant. Similar actions by Centaur stages have always resulted in spectacular cloud-like formations.

The pass I described was for Brisbane.

Originally posted by daddio
I can not see how or what these "rockets/missiles" could be carrying that would be used to make the spiral in a flat plane or two dimensional "appearing" space.

I can't argue with you, daddio. You clearly cannot see the prosaic explanation. But open your mind and realize that just because you are unable to understand a theory, is no judgment on whether it is true or not. The problem may NOT be on the 'theory' end of the disconnect.

Good work OP! I think you might have solved this spiral that lacked the beauty and finess as the Norway one. I see a couple problems though. I see no resemblance between this sort of spiral event in Australia to the elaborate spiral that occured in Norway that had many ripples around it that also had a beaming spiral heading towards the sun rise. This Austalian 'spiral' looks more like the Russian/Chinese type spiral(s) but look nothing like the Norway spiral at all. I wouldn't be so quick as to write off the Norway spiral just yet.





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Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by tauristercus

 

One thing , the space x rocket went to launch angle of 28.5 degrees as it was launched from florida... not 34.5...which would be the angle from the other launch site

Info from space x itself...

Most of the conflicting views expressed here seem to be traceable to people just having false 'factoids'. Here's some posts from Canadian space observer Ted Molczan, the guy who (with friends) tracked down the top secret USAF X-37B a few weeks ago):

The first TLE of 10026A / 36595 has appeared on Space Track. Orbit is 34.5 deg, 239 km X 280 km.


Ted Molczan:

satobs.org...
The Falcon 9 test payload, which is attached to the rocket's 2nd stage
(10026A / 36595), appears to account for the phenomenon. It exited eclipse (umbra) on Jun 05 at 05:48:06 AM local standard time (Jun 04, 19:48:06 UTC) at azimuth 229 deg, elevation 16 deg; culminated at about 05:49:42, at az 161, el 42; and passed below 10 deg elevation at 05:51:57, at azimuth 86 deg. Angular velocity at culmination was 1.2 deg/s.

This is consistent with the approximate time, direction of travel (SW - NE, W - E), and the apparent high speed, reported here:
www.abc.net.au...
This occurred about 65 min after launch, so perhaps the 2nd stage was
dumping excess propellant. Similar actions by Centaur stages have always resulted in spectacular cloud-like formations.

The pass I described was for Brisbane.

THe space x website , and press release state a 28.5 degree launch as per normal for a launch at its florida launch site , funnily enough 34.5 matches EXACTLY the launch angle for its other launch site..... kwajalein..strange discrepancy/ coincidence thats all....

www.spacex.com...

www.spacex.com...


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