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Originally posted by switching yard
Humankind are slaving when there must be a simpler way to live in peace, work in peace and enjoy life.
I have often thought that the 40-hour work week is a form of tyranny. It's truly amazing to me that society has taken away its own freedoms and respect.
Originally posted by poet1b
When you look at the increases in productivity, and that one the husband working fifty years ago could support his family, the idea of both parents working 20 hours to support a family of four or five is completely realistic.
When you add in that we are supposed to support all the families around the globe having four and five kids each, then that is the problem.
If we worked fewer hours sitting in cubicles, or in rooms running machines, and had more time to live healthy lives, our medical costs wouldn't be so high.
Mainly we are paying for cures that are more problem than cure.
Originally posted by serbsta
It really doesn't work like that and it wouldn't work like that. The government can't just print out an infinite amount of money and do whatever it wants... shifting local/state government functions to the private sector would be a fail of epic proportions. Let's take street lighting as an example:
How many private companies will you have running the street lighting?
Will this be charged on a 'per household' basis?
It wouldn't be a profitable business because it wouldn't work, so where is the incentive for the private sector to provide street lights? There is none.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
it's just we are a enslaved species and most of us just simply are too stupid to rebell.
Originally posted by Gorman91
Sorry dude, but I chose a career I love. It's 24 hours a day of work. Even my dreams are work and ideas.
You can't do it.
Though the other 2 are great and I want you to go with it.
Originally posted by gaurdian2012
this is the kind of change we need.
"viva la revolution"
Originally posted by pjslug
... we just need to make more efficient solar collectors.
The sun radiates uniformly in all directions ... We get the astonishingly huge amount of 400 trillion trillion watts.
In one second, our sun produces enough energy for almost 500,000 years of the current needs of our so-called civilization.
Originally posted by D377MC
Regarding the subject : having read the first three pages of this thread it is obvious that the biggest obstacle to moving in the direction suggested is ourselves.
The main problem, blatantly obvious from some of the comments, is our brainwashed, programmed state which is a major impediment to finding solutions via lateral thinking.
Originally posted by D377MC
Freedom is a direct consequence of truth. Truth empowers us and indeed if the mind is free then 'freedom' is a natural consequence.
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
0 Taxs =
0 Police officers.
0 Roads.
0 Government funded hospitals.
0 Military defences.
0 Government services.
We pay taxes for a reason, your tax money comes back to you in lots of different ways. Taxes pay for all government services you rely on.
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Originally posted by D377MC
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
0 Taxs =
0 Police officers.
0 Roads.
0 Government funded hospitals.
0 Military defences.
0 Government services.
We pay taxes for a reason, your tax money comes back to you in lots of different ways. Taxes pay for all government services you rely on.
[edit on 6-6-2010 by Jerry_Teps]
Your tax money does not come back to you. We are talking about taxing labor here, and when you file your 1040, if you do, not a cent goes to 'services' as you seem to believe.
You pay for 'services', whether you want them or not, through a multitude of other taxes. You buy gasoline, cigarettes, go for a few drinks on weekends? Great, you have paid your share....via indirect taxation.
Originally posted by joechip
i certainly do not mock you.
thanks for your part in the push toward freedom!
Originally posted by psychederic
"20 Hour work week" : what about doing the work with robot and basic or strong IA ? ... ... ...
All work could be done without human.
Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo
solution is to get rid of money. money is man made...we lived before it we can live without it.
Originally posted by soul57ld
Though the idea of a 20 hour working week seems to come from the right place, I would suggest the true answer is doing what we want to do to the benefit of all.
If one actually LIKED what one did for a living, a 40 hour(or more) working week would be something we insist on rather than something we settle for.
Ideally we would want to do the work that fits in with our talents, interests and passions-quantifying and standardising working hours would then become unnecessary.
Originally posted by Ram
Things that will happened...
You will begin to remove the pavement... And make gardens.
And people who is afraid they will have nothing to do - You don't understand the Difference between freedom and what we have today.
You will use men and woman who can operate bulldozers to get down to the clean soil underneath the asphalt... You will work for freedom - and it will be achieved.
And your souls will be restored. And your families.
And Earth. It is with goodwill.
Think it.
Originally posted by Fangula
... how about we find a way to completely rid of a monetary system?
Originally posted by psychederic
Most people in your vision will do nothing "productive" in their life : most people ( of the new generation ) would play games all the time : wtf !
Originally posted by psychederic
My solution is "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." : you cannot change people , so change yourself : build your own autonomous system : and share your ideas.
Originally posted by -PLB-
The OP suggests that the government should be able to print money if they need it.
Do you really trust the government with that?
Don't you think they will just print so much money that we get hyper inflation?
Originally posted by Maslo
Printing the money for government instead of taxation is actually not bad. It would lead to inflation, but there is an inflation anyway in current broken money system, so this could be somehow plausible.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
The idea of people working less for more has been suggested before have a look at:
Douglas Social Credit
The idea is basically that everyone gets an allowance from the government that gives you enough to survive.
You then have the choice of how much you want to work, if at all, to give you more money.
The supply of money is carefully controlled so that you don't end up with problems like we have now, tax etc is different.
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
There would be nothing wrong with changing over to alternative energy sources, no taxes, or having more free time, but people are not ready to accept reality.They have gotten too used to living like kings and do not want to put any real effort into living their lives.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
Social Credit philosophy is best summed by Douglas when he said:
"Systems were made for men, and not men for systems, and the interest of man which is self-development, is above all systems, whether theological, political or economic."
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
The current arrangement could be visualized as a funnel,into which you throw the very thing that keeps you alive,for the benefit of the few,while believing you are doing so for your own benefit.
Inflation is just an idea, much like money and taxation are an idea. Maslo. Inflation just comes from insecurity of not having. As long as there is enough there wil be no inflation.
Originally posted by mav0360
taxes? we don't need no stinking taxes! how much is government and state payroll? you mean to tell me we can't build roads? we're too feeble to run space programs and sewage plants and conduct international matters? last i checked it was us. now they've quite brilliantly coerced us into believing we can't do it ourselves. we need them? no my friends, this country is supposedly great because they need us!
if we worked for ourselves for gold or valuables or services, even paying for any optional things such as roads and sewage and police which we'd opt into, you're correct. the number of hours we'd have to work would be appallingly low. appalling when put into relation with how many we pump out now. and these real "taxes" would fund so much more than now. this is what we (those of us here american) have been hoodwinked with.
and don't get me started on free energy. its sold as a dream or just beyond our reach but its here and getting better. people act like those who pumped oil can't learn how to build turbines or panels. so many lies everywhere... and whos idiot assesment was it that only 2 billion people would live off the suns energy?
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
We don't need alternative energy, the perfect source of all we have needed to survive has always been there.
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
Everything was more localized once,separate townships maintained their own infrastructure in the past,but now it has become centralized.
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
Extremism,communism,capitalism,catholicism,racism,sexism,terrorism..ism-ism-ism-ism-ism-ism.
Isms are almost always extremes.
The tree that does not bend, breaks.
Originally posted by Ram
In my opinion - People are not themselves any more - they are part of the money system, and they cannot see the evil they emit, because it is seen as good... But in fact it is without soul...(a program)
I call them Robots...
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
Bout time someone could see the selfishness angle.
I could not help but wonder how many people were going hungry while some guy had the things they needed not to be hungry,stored away,waiting for a better price to sell it at on the stock market.
There is no real scarcity,it is only contrived to drive prices up.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Ram
The system should be somehow set up to let both the workoholics and "lazy people" live in dignity and harmony. Because when an employee has to work for 50 or more hours a week (Foxconn..), while many unemployed are doing nothing and are ready to take his place, you know something is wrong.
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
Working in this world for others amounts to humiliation ...
Originally posted by webpirate
So basically, you are promoting laziness and freeloading while at the same time advocating creating and using alternative energy forms.
Originally posted by webpirate
I assume you also mean nuclear fission instead of nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion is still in the experimental phase.
Originally posted by webpirate
By the way, how do you propose to pay for all of this? No one in the private sector is going to have enough money by being lazy to make this happen, and if we aren't paying taxes, the government sure as hell isn't gonna have the money to pay for further implementation of this.
Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by Freedom or Death
What it all boils down to is what you won't admit. You do not have a new idea. You do not have a relatively new idea. Although you will never say it you are promoting communism and bashing the free enterprise system. Anyone who,
oh my gosh supposedly does not want to share is EVIL. Anyone who decides they want to work for a profit is EVIL. Anyone who chooses to work or live for their own PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS,like the right granted them in the
constitution,is what? Out of lock step,Evil,or a terrorist?
I believe I'll pass.
Originally posted by babybunnies
Working less and making more ... will never, ever happen.
Free energy is a pipe dream
No taxes is also a pipe dream.
Originally posted by Wolfenz
Money is evil !
for the Love of Money got to have it !
O-JAYS For the Love Of Money
Originally posted by loneranger26
you cannot eliminate taxes ... there has to be taxes
... get yourself an education and land a solid nice and easy job with good pay, or raise through the ranks of a company and end up in management or something.
“I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, The Mysterious Island (1874)