building life on mars and the moon!!!

i have created this thread as the title on my last one didn't quite fit the bill, and i have called for that thread to be locked and now this lies in its place.

i was just watching tv and i saw an advert/commercial and it was advertising an up coming documentary about the making of synthetic life here on earth and how it could affect us.
so i thought for a while, and then i thought again, then i thought, wouldn't it be safer, if these projects were taken else where? ok, maybe it could be done far underground or what not (i know they are trying to make bacteria to do good, but if it goes wrong, it could really go wrong).
it could also be stolen, and then used for the whole wrong reasons.

as i remembered that i had read a thread a few days ago about japan planning a moon space station, and other countries already planning to do so. wouldn't the moon be a safer alternative to build this organisms in the future? for the time being it's not possible, but it wouldn't even have to be humans up there, since it could be done by machinery, we could easily do it if we had buildings up there.

i also distinctly remember that the russian's displayed interest on building a station on mars, although this is way out of the question at this point in time, mars would be a much better alternative than the moon, because it seems that mars is capable of maybe holding life there and as the scientists said that in many years to come it will be possible to make synthetic plants and in theory also animals, is it not possible to make these for conditions on mars? it would be much easier than getting them to live on the moon since it is more or less unhabitable and the life would have to be inside a dome.

imagine building life forms to live on mars and to reproduce without our help, if we could start this in say, 100 years time, imagine how we could watch it as it all develops, without damaging our own planet.

here are some limitations that i have found to be on mars, The lack of a magnetosphere and extremely thin atmosphere of Mars are a greater challenge: the planet has little heat transfer across its surface, poor insulation against bombardment and the solar wind, and insufficient atmospheric pressure to retain water in a liquid form (water instead sublimates to a gaseous state). Mars is also nearly, or perhaps totally, geologically dead; the end of volcanic activity has stopped the recycling of chemicals and minerals between the surface and interior of the planet, i'm not sure if this would completely stop us from having artificial life on there that could live, but i'm not too sure, we could maybe have things that could adapt to a certain level. i'll let you decide that one.

the Mars Lander has shown that the soil has a very alkaline pH and it contains magnesium, sodium, potassium and chloride, which has the nutrients which may be able to support life but unfortunately mars has very strong ultraviolet light, but could still be shielded, and if there is a chance life could live in these conditions, i'm sure life could be made to suit these conditions.

NASA aims to put a man on Mars by 2037.
ESA hopes to land humans on Mars between 2030 and 2035.

in the very, very, very, very distant future, where we will be able to go much further into space, other places where we could possibly put life are some of the moons of jupiter and saturn (the moons europa, enceladus and titan in particular), gliese 581 c and gliese 581 d, some even say venus, but i think this is probably a bit far fetched as it is 480 degrees and has poisonus gas clouds.

quotes from other thread:

PABLOS

Life has survived and thrived there so I think you are onto something good doctor.

When the Apollo missions went there a tech did a bodge job sterilising and microbes went up trapped in a gap in a camera lens. Upon return it had greatly multiplied.

GAZROK

Why do you say it's not possible? Been a few decades, but we landed men on the moon, so no reason we couldn't build a space station on it's surface. There's even speculation (nearing confirmation) that water in the form of ice can be found there. Certainly, it wouldn't be too difficult (easier than a manned mission) to ferry supply drops there. I'm actually kind of miffed we didn't strike while the iron was hot way back then. Can you imagine the kind of space superiority we'd have now, if we did it then?

DA ELOHIM

in theory, they could create cows and pigs that suit the habitat of mars, then we could use their milk and meat, the world would never go hungry!

~to add something else (this may be a bit far fetched of me, but i'll still say it), i have a theory, i call it the "seed theory", this theory is of that, a "seed" is planet by a species on a planet other than their own, this seed then grows into a "plant" (we are now nearing the "plant stage" in our technology), then this "plant" puts its own seeds into the next planet, and so on and so on.~

IF we did do this (i don't think we will as i'm trying to think outside of the box and i'm not sure our governments and space companies think like this) we would become the "elohim", the "god", the "creator" and we could instill what we wanted into these creatures. i feel we should not intervene with their course, but if we were to make artificial intelligent life, we should stop them from developing the technology to get to us, or to fire anything at us, or even have wars between themselves OR another option would be to have them peaceful.

thank you for reading, i personally don't think it's too far fetched, although it may seem to you! i'm guessing there are probably flaws in what i have wrote and i would be grateful if you would state them, but if not, thats great! thanks for your time, please S&F (if you found it interesting)

to add to what you think of this idea, answer this question, would support a move to put life on mars?

leave your comments and i will try to reply to them.

EDIT: spelling on one of the quotes (and the adding of another quote)

[edit on 4-6-2010 by Dr Slim]

i have just figured how to star and flag, and you are my first!
nice to see you have re-named/moved the thread, wish you luck with this one, too bad the last one didn't quite kick off.

i would support putting artificial life on another planet.

reply to post by da elohim


thanks a lot, i really hope i can get some peoples views this time.

Cool read!

I think a better alternative than using a planet that could be useful to us one day is to do it in outter space in an orbiting biosphere.

Reasons being, we dont want to spoil a planet or make it toxic to us. Secondly, a life form that was created to live in a low/no gravity environment would be more likely not to survive if it somehow was transported to earth or anyother body.

also, it would be cool to see how bacteria would evolve in a low/no gravity environment.

Im pretty sure Mars have been in the planings for thousands of years my friend..

This is no proof, but intresting....

stop watching TV.

There is already life on Mars, and the Moon.
Buildings to! lol

seriously though...
stop watching TV.

Originally posted by VonDoomen
Cool read!

I think a better alternative than using a planet that could be useful to us one day is to do it in outter space in an orbiting biosphere.

Reasons being, we dont want to spoil a planet or make it toxic to us. Secondly, a life form that was created to live in a low/no gravity environment would be more likely not to survive if it somehow was transported to earth or anyother body.

also, it would be cool to see how bacteria would evolve in a low/no gravity environment.

i agree with your post, but i have some things to point out.
1. i don't think an orbiting biosphere is a BETTER alternative, i think it is a different alternative.

2. the planet would not necessarily cause us harm or make it toxic to us, as long as what was on it could not cause such destruction.

3. you can't really "spoil" a planet (such as mars), if it has no eco system in place. and another thing is that mars could actually be "dead" since it is thought that all it's volcanoes are extinct.

4. i agree with your last bit about it being less likely to survive if it got transported here, but i was thinking more of anything that goes to the planet, stays there (not including humans), i would say if we had a fenced off area for us to study and so forth, then protective suits would have to be worn, and then cleaned etc. the person who then wore the suit would be sent back to earth without the suit, as it would stay in the cordoned off area, i would suggest a sort of "room" that is between the cordoned off area and the outside world with all these creatures as then it would be safer.

appreciate the post!

reply to post by ChemBreather


i wasn't talking about putting insane people on mars!

i was thinking more of just creating life there, no life from our planet what so ever, although it could be influenced by our life forms.

reply to post by Ahmose


for a start i do not watch tv.
and what evidence have you gathered to suggest there is already life on mars and the moon, and that there are buildings already there?

reply to post by VonDoomen


in an extra reply to you, i think that yes, creating life in all different areas will really help, be that in a biosphere, on mars, on the moon, and wherever else, to see what happens.

i think the advantages of a planet are that you can let it live freely in that enviroment and reproduce etc.

in a biosphere there is only so much space.

i think mars is better than the moon because mars is not "claimed" in any way really, if it was to happen on the moon, it would only be a small area, because billionairres and countries all want their part of the moon.

as for mars, it could be a big area! in an ideal scenario it would just be a small part of mars that would be inhabited by humans, and that would be the small lab up there. but in the nature of humans, i'm sure many people would want their part of mars for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Dr Slim
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

i wasn't talking about putting insane people on mars!

i was thinking more of just creating life there, no life from our planet what so ever, although it could be influenced by our life forms.

You know, Insanity lives too. What a better way to use them than make them scavange for food on Mars, just like they did when they came here to Earth from Venus ? LOL . fun stuff..

just like they did when they came here to Earth from Venus

now who's insane?
i think you should board the next launch to mars.

reply to post by VonDoomen


i think it's easier to build things on a planet than it is to build an orbiting biosphere, although it is a great idea.

reply to post by Ahmose


i don't think there is life on the moon, or any large buildings.

I bet we've already done it on a small scale, I'm sure there are quite a few microbes on the moon now due to the all the moon missions we've done, perhaps some on mars too.

reply to post by Dr Slim


in theory, they could create cows and pigs that suit the habitat of mars, then we could use their milk and meat, the world would never go hungry!

(i'm not too sure whether it would be contaminated though)

reply to post by hippomchippo


i'm pretty sure there is.

reply to post by hippomchippo


i'm sure there was, i'm not sure if there still is though, depends if it survived. the thing is with putting artificial life on these planets is that they may need water to survive, unless we make them so that they don't need water to survive. there is however water on mars in the form of ice, although it wouldnt last long on mars surface as liquid water.

Originally posted by da elohim
reply to post by Dr Slim

 

in theory, they could create cows and pigs that suit the habitat of mars, then we could use their milk and meat, the world would never go hungry!

(i'm not too sure whether it would be contaminated though)

i never thought of that one, i might add that to my original post.
thanks for your contributions elohim.
(btw, your name really fits in with this thread )

[edit on 4-6-2010 by Dr Slim]

the survival of humanity will most likely depend on whether or not we can colonize outer space.

however, i think we should get all of our various problems under control down here first, lest we just perpetuate them elsewhere.