Proof That We Live In A Police State. Pics from event in my hometown.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


You live in a town of 700 so let me break id down for you. In larger cities and pretty much anywhere whenever someone escapes from prison or jail they are always considered to be armed and dangerous. And in small towns whenever the police get a chance to do something tthey send EVERYONE. When people break out of prison even in los angeles this is what they do, nowhere do they just send 1 car.
So let me see if i got this story straight so far... (i'll remove all the hype).

You saw a (not black) helicopter
Lots of police (including swat and a sniper)
You saw some army personel.
All trying to apprehend an escaped convicted criminal...

By golly i think you are on to something. At first i thought maybe i eat too much toothpaste and all the flouride and chemtrails were getting to me but now my eyes are open.

OMG POLICE STATE!!!

The days when criminals could just waltz out of prison on their own accord is long gone. Now innocent convicted fellons can't even break out of prison without being unconstitutionaly harassed by big brother neo-con men. I mean really what is next? Convicted sex offenders not being allowed tolive next to and work at schools? I mean what is it going to take to get people to wake up? Maybe the next time someone loses their licence and gets thrown in jail for driving drunk and killing 3 people someone will wake up and realize that we are living in a 1984 police state.

[edit on 4-6-2010 by zaiger]

reply to post by adamo21


I'm not saying that installing a police state isn't taking place. This one just might be a basic operation to catch a "dangerous criminal". They're buffoons.

Settle down, we understand you, but blustering isn't going to take you anywhere.

Hey I dont blame you for being paranoid! Everytime I hear choppers over my house, I head outside to check it out.

Sounds to me as if the cops had nothing better to do.
It reminds me of an incident that happened to me 10 years ago when I was the ripe old age of 19. I think some of you will find this amusing.

So I was 19, I lived right outside of Washington DC. A few months earlier, someone stole the front plate of my license plate off my car, and my roomate suggested I call the police to let them know. I did and reported it stolen. Then I went to the DMV and had them reissue me the same plates (i did not know at that age that would be a problem- because they were personalized I really wanted them) I did not know that the DMV even though I had told them they were reported stolen, would allow me to have the same plates replaced.

Bring it to the night of the incident. Im driving back on a Tuesday night around 10pm from a friends house that I had only been too once before, and I got lost and ended up in a bad neighborhood. I ended up turning around in a culdisac and noticed there was a cop car sitting there. I turned out of the culdesac and noticed the cop car following me.

Following me to the interstate, which I proceeded to get on. Minutes later... I passed a few more cops on the medians in the interstate, who as I passed, pulled out and started driving behind me. Some minutes later- I noticed like 6 police cars driving behind me- but I said to myself, theyre probably on their way to a police convention or so forth- stayed on the speed limit and tried not to care.
Until I passed more police cars in the median and they pulled out behind me.

It wasnt until- i reached an interstate BLOCKADE (they had literally shut down the interstate) and had 6 cop cars blocking me infront and 6 in the back- AND a police helicopter was hovering over head. I began freaking the # out!

I was like- did I kill someone and not know it? The megaphone shouted "Get out of your car with your hands on your head"
I did.

I got out of the car meanwhile, I had all 12 cops with their guns out and pointed at me.

At this point traffic was stopped behind me and I was treated like a criminal. I was pushed down on the ground- on the road- on the 4 lane interstate with a police helicopter light shining on me from above.

All the while, Im screaming- "WHAT DID I DO? IM INNOCENT"

I was handcuffed while on the ground and put in the back of a police cruiser. All the while, no one was asking me a damn thing. I was having a panic attack. I hated police before then, but this was unbelievable.

20 Minutes later a police officer asked me if I was aware I was driving a stolen vehicle! I was like,

"No thats my car, check my license and registration!" They checked into it- and kept me in the back of the cop car and blocked the interstate for another 30 minutes. I assumed so they wouldnt look like complete dumasses.

Then, I explained that the DMV reissues me my personalized plates that I Had reported stolen. They werent too happy about that. However, they escorted me back to my house with a police cruiser behind me driving me the whole way home.

I was terrorized. Needless to say.
I called several attorneys the next day in hopes to go forward with a police brutality lawsuit- however none wanted to take my case.

And thats- how your story does not surpise me

Originally posted by zaiger
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

You live in a town of 700 so let me break id down for you. In larger cities and pretty much anywhere whenever someone escapes from prison or jail they are always considered to be armed and dangerous. And in small towns whenever the police get a chance to do something tthey send EVERYONE. When people break out of prison even in los angeles this is what they do, nowhere do they just send 1 car.
So let me see if i got this story straight so far... (i'll remove all the hype).

You saw a (not black) helicopter
Lots of police (including swat and a sniper)
You saw some army personel.
All trying to apprehend an escaped convicted criminal...

By golly i think you are on to something. At first i thought maybe i eat too much toothpaste and all the flouride and chemtrails were getting to me but now my eyes are open.

OMG POLICE STATE!!!

The days when criminals could just waltz out of prison on their own accord is long gone. Now innocent convicted fellons can't even break out of prison without being unconstitutionaly harassed by big brother neo-con men. I mean really what is next? Convicted sex offenders not being allowed tolive next to and work at schools? I mean what is it going to take to get people to wake up? Maybe the next time someone loses their licence and gets thrown in jail for driving drunk and killing 3 people someone will wake up and realize that we are living in a 1984 police state.

[edit on 4-6-2010 by zaiger]

I think the intelligent people are just realizing that the video shows clearly that they are not looking for an escaped convict. Now, if you believ everything they are telling you(Obviously you do) then you will never wake up....

You see...the thing about a police state, is they dont tell you about it on the news...you wont turn on the tv and see "Police state!!!"

You have to use your INTELLIGENCE and JUDGEMENT and the feel that, hey george, something isnt right here.........

Not to mention the "Peacekeeping" operations that are going on....There is something going on, and you have to use your brains, NOT YOUR TV, to realize just what that is.

do you think maybe they were interested in you because you were photographing them, following them, snooping around suspiciously?

have you ever thought, gee following the police and military with a camera and photographing how they operate is exactly what terrorists do in iraq, afghanistan, and even in western nations, several times before they conduct a terrorist attack.

so they ran out with 20 dudes and caught an escaped convict, the military helecopter you saw was most likely national guard, i dont know of any active military helecopter that looks like that... in other words it looks dated and the only use is assisting police. aka the ghetto bird, since your in a rural area you guys dont have police helecopters like in a urban area, so they have to borrow with what they got.

id say take your meds personally, no one is after you and your silly document

reply to post by zaiger


i doubt they were even active army, probably just national guard troops since they could be used by the state, for things like disasters riots and hey i guess escaped criminals. so even sayitn they were army as in like 82nd or something is a long shot!

Originally posted by jakemil


have you ever thought, gee following the police and military with a camera and photographing how they operate is exactly what terrorists do in iraq, afghanistan, and even in western nations, several times before they conduct a terrorist attack.

Yes, I realize that I can be considered a terrorist for filming the cops. That's why I did it, so people like you who love everything the cops do, probably because you are one of them, can belittle me for documenting a deliberate
violation of the Posse Comitatus.

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


You would be amazed a what a well trained individual can do with a can of Raid, a lighter, a gas grill in the kitchen, and a bow. Wouldn't be pretty.

Hold on there a minute there Rambo!

I think you may have watched a few too many movies, you wont get very far like that. 1 man against the Army, not a great plan.

If they really were after you it would be better to run, and hide from them.

I can't see any insignia, and looks obviously like a SWAT-type deal to me.

Originally posted by MR BOB

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned


You would be amazed a what a well trained individual can do with a can of Raid, a lighter, a gas grill in the kitchen, and a bow. Wouldn't be pretty.

Hold on there a minute there Rambo!

I think you may have watched a few too many movies, you wont get very far like that. 1 man against the Army, not a great plan.

If they really were after you it would be better to run, and hide from them.

God has my back. No running, no hiding.

[edit on 5-6-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Woah man :O bet you sht a brick

also

"A helicopter starts circling overhead. Like any paranoid conspiracy theorist, I start to think they are there for me, as I possess a US Air Force doc. title Chemtrails"

Sounds like me everytime i hear a police siren or helicopter that circles overhead more than 15 times here in the UK i get ready to remove my harddrive and memory sticks from my "Conspiracy" shelf, take my survival bag and leg it.

[edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth]

Originally posted by zaiger
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

You live in a town of 700 so let me break id down for you. In larger cities and pretty much anywhere whenever someone escapes from prison or jail they are always considered to be armed and dangerous.

A town of 700 has a SWAT vehicle, armed and helmeted SWAT people, more unmarked cops cars than one can count, and an Army Helicopter with troops at their beck and call.

Imagine what kind of hardware they have in more populated areas. I hate to think about what happens to people who accidently get in between the GESTAPO and their "target"

And in small towns whenever the police get a chance to do something tthey send EVERYONE. When people break out of prison even in los angeles this is what they do, nowhere do they just send 1 car.

Make them really easy to divert.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned


Very good post and pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

APPLAUSE
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It's posts like yours that really keep us informed of what is coming down.

Yes, we live in a police state - welcome to 1984.

I can't help but think of Roswell and the weather balloon story.

You never know, what the media reports could just be a cover for something more than what was reported to the public at large.



[edit on 5-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

 

Very good post and pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

APPLAUSE
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It's posts like yours that really keep us informed of what is coming down.

Thanks for your kind words.

You know, chicken little, was eventually right.

A temporary injunction against the loading of railcars signed by 41 area citizens, 38 with Antonito addresses, one each from La Jara and Manassa, and one illegible, was filed in the District Court. All signatures were by area individuals, signed by hand. The group was unhappy that the injunction the Conejos County Commission had directed County Attorney Steve Atencio to file was not on District Court record Monday morning. The instructions to Atencio were given at the end of the Wednesday May 19 commission meeting.

So the temporary injunction was filed in the early morning at the court, “to implore the Judge of the District Court, to enjoin and prevent the San Luis-Rio Grande Railroad together with Energy Solutions, Inc. from any activity involving toxic waste of any kind anywhere in Conejos County and to enforce a TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER, Until an Injunction can be filed and the merits of said Injunction can be discussed and ruled upon.” (Capital letters are used in the document as filed.)

www.alamosanews.com...

After doing some searching, I found this article. It seems there's reason enough to believe that this fugitive was and still is a dangerous individual considering the circumstances of his crimes.

He was wanted on a warrant from Alamosa police for an alleged incident of domestic violence, violation of a protection order and stalking in April.
Bagwell had been pursuing a former girlfriend who had recently broken up with him and told police over the phone that he was suicidal, according to the arrest warrant.

First off, all this didn't need to happen if he hadn't escaped from jail. So that means a (or a few) Deputy or Correctional Officer (depending on how county staffs its jail) is probably going to get some "beach time" w/o pay for allowing a violent and potentially disturbed individual to escape. This ISN'T going to be a situation where the penalty is going to be a slap on the wrist for the Dep. or CO.

As for the response, it's well within the police's reason to believe that this person is a dangerous individual who (because of his escape, the nature of his crimes and possible suicidal condition) may go after the victim whom he has a history of committing a violent crime against.

The Army helicopter was used for equipment purposes only, there were no military personnel acting within a law enforcement capacity during the event, only as observation.

Even though it turned out that nobody was in the house, there was more than enough reasonable suspicion to believe that the fugitive was at his mother's house or surrounding area. The 2 hour standoff and assault on the house was the result of a day's worth of observation and planning with considerations on the safety of the public, law enforcement and anyone that may have been inside the house.

Sheriff’s Deputy Adam Chacon recovered the escape vehicle used by Bagwell, a 2007 half-ton Dodge Ram that day on a county road near the Conejos River where it passes Manassa.

Source

Officers from four different San Luis Valley law enforcement agencies searched a home in Manassa at 5 p.m. Wednesday following a number of tips that had been called in on Bagwell's location.

Source

The use of multiple tear gas canisters is also reasonable too. Depending on weather conditions at the time inside and outside the house, the use of more than one canister may be needed to obtain the desired effect. It also depends on the type of chemical agent used.

The two most commonly used chemical agents for use of standoffs are CN (chloroacetophenone) and CS (othochlorobenzylidene-molononitrile). CN is an organic compound but is more toxic than CS, which is synthetic, although both share the same attribute of their particles being heavier than air. (CN being 5x heavier) This is important because it takes multiple canisters to use in the event that an entire house needs to be saturated.
LD 35: Chapter 6- Chemical Agents

So I have to ask, given the circumstances surrounding the nature of the fugitive's crimes, how is this an example of a police state? Was there any credible evidence that the rights of anyone were violated by law enforcement during the event?

I think your post OP is the result of being overly paranoid without knowing all the facts first. If we wanted to get you, we would've already done it.

P.S. The crime lab situation here in SF is the result of bad criminologists, not LEOs. The crime lab is staffed by civilians.

[edit on 6/5/2010 by mistafaz]

reply to post by mistafaz


This extremely dangerous convict happened to be working in the kitchen, as a trustee. That's how he snagged the food delivery vehicle, and escaped.

Police, US military, and SWAT responded to the convicts Mothers home, apparently don't bother to enter home to check to see if anyone is there, and start firing in teargas. Finally, they (SWAT), with Army Helicopter with three US troops and a CSP Sniper circling overhead the entire time, decide to enter the home, only to find nobody was home.

Hmm.

As for SFPD.

Reports on 85 of SFPD finest has been requested from DA, but so far, SFPD has refused to supply reports. GUILTY!

Not to hijack your thread but check out this one I started a while back.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just for emphasis here is the main two links.

www.policeone.com...

Any of those vehicles look like this?

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
Not to hijack your thread but check out this one I started a while back.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just for emphasis here is the main two links.

www.policeone.com...

Any of those vehicles look like this?

www.youtube.com...

There was a black Yukon with darkened window. Didn't see a gun come out of it though, thank God.

I noticed that the thread you started, which I starred and Flagged, said they didn't actually arrest anyone, but it was a good show of force.

reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned

This extremely dangerous convict happened to be working in the kitchen, as a trustee. That's how he snagged the food delivery vehicle, and escaped.

Yes, and I see that as a failure on the part of the staff. Those at fault should be disciplined for their indiscretion. Unless he has some sort of history of misbehavior while in jail or known gang ties, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to work as a trustee in the kitchen. He's a danger to the victim, not the jail staff, since he was given that work privilege. Inside=ok, outside=danger.

Police, US military, and SWAT responded to the convicts Mothers home, apparently don't bother to enter home to check to see if anyone is there, and start firing in teargas. Finally, they (SWAT), with Army Helicopter with three US troops and a CSP Sniper circling overhead the entire time, decide to enter the home, only to find nobody was home.

The military was there not in the capacity of law enforcement officials but as operators of equipment, the helicopter, used for observation. Again... THE MILITARY OFFICIALS WEREN'T ACTING AS COPS WITH POLICE POWERS.

Really? You think the totality of the circumstances would call for the police to go up and knock on the door to see if anyone's home? We are talking about a dangerous individual with a history of violent crimes against a person and prone to suicidal tendencies. The cops didn't know if he was in there holding his mother hostage or whatever.

The chemical agents were used in hopes to flush the fugitive out and saturation of the house was needed to cover every nook and cranny that he may have been hiding in. You think the officers felt great to know they spent a good part of the day waiting outside a house with no one there? No, but the cops weren't going to take a chance with the possibility that he wasn't there only to find out he was and ended up hurting someone.

Say what you want but the fugitive is an escapee with a violent history, questionable mental stability and has a protective order that he's previously violated. All in all, he's a danger to public safety thus justifying the response by law enforcement.

As for SFPD. Reports on 85 of SFPD finest has been requested from DA, but so far, SFPD has refused to supply reports. GUILTY!

You may want to read up on that situation buddy. It's the DA's Office that's in hot water for not following procedural law. They're the ones who aren't providing the Public Defender's Office with those officers' records of misconduct where related to the offense, the misconduct would determine an officer's credibility. The SFPD made a list of officers whose histories would have to be disclosed but it's not the job of the PD to give that to the Public Defender and it's the DA stalling to try and save face (as if that's possible).

Everything the DA is withholding is the responsibility of the DA, not the SFPD, to disclose in situations where it needs to be. Not too many cops in the City are happy with this DA to find out their cases are thrown out because of the DA's stupidity.
Kamala Harris accused of withholding vital info.

So now I know you're biased against law enforcement since you'll blurt out guilty on something that the SFPD is supposedly accused of but isn't without finding the facts out first... And many wonder why there is a "Us Vs. Them" attitude with LEOs...

Is that legal for US army personnel & equipment to be used for domestic or state police work?

Most these police & military are a bunch of trumped up adrenaline junkies who expect everyone to be fooled into thinking they are doing anyone but themselves any good.
One big testosterone drunken rape & killing spree.

The general public is so dumb.