Ocean currents likely to carry oil into Atlantic

This current needs to be taken into consideration when comparing the BP oil leak with the 1979 Ixtoc leak (etal). The Ixtoc oil ended up on 162 miles of Texas coastline, whereas this disaster could end up spreading and damaging more area and volume.

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Appreciate that!! I'm sure all will look forward to any real people pics we can get that have not been manipulated by the MSM. Hope you have great cruise and it don't affect it.

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Excellent memory there




If I remember correctly to what I read, the fishing industry is still, after all that time, still seeing some of those effects in shellfish today. Especially Mussels and their growth rates and bottom feeding marine life too.

So is Texas supposed to be somewhat safe? I haven't really heard much about the conditions in Texas or what they're predicted to be like.

I wouldn't be too surprised if it made it over to other countries, especially if this continues for months.

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According to this affected area map it looks to me that Texas is indeed affect. But to what extent I do not know.

Originally posted by mikelee
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Excellent memory there

Thanks. I got a lot of it. So I just thought I would put it to good use, before I start to lose it.

Humans have a great capacity to go back in time, to use history, as a way to help deal with the present, which gives us a future. And history should not be seen as merely a repository of facts, but also include a background, a context, to these facts. Also, history is richer, more useful, when we can use it to make connections between facts/events.

BP surely disregarded history when it seemingly cut and pasted a disaster plan that included walruses for the GOM. And if the bottom of the GOM is still suffering from effects of a prior spill, this time shouldn't be any different.

And now BP is at the heart of a media blackout for people taking photos including employees working for BP and other companys helping to clean up. The outrage over the damage this is causing is being covered up without a doubt. The media is now under the control of government and corporate forces to keep the images and storys of this devastating event out of the public's minds.

My entire family is heading to the Carolina shore next week. This will be my 20-month-old daughter's first trip to the beach. We can't wait to see her to play in the sand and splash in the water.

It's so sad to think it may be her only chance to play on a clean beach for many, many years.

www.telegraph.co.uk... siana.html?image=8

Take a look at this link. It is a HORROR.

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Thats horrible!! And to think that BP along with their corporate and government cronies are assisting in a photo and media blackout. This is appalling.

Add: The link is now broke (??)

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Originally posted by quantumdragon

Originally posted by yuefo
Wow, in all 6 simulations, there's no escape for Florida. I'm sure they'll be thrilled. I wonder if the gloop can actually make it to European/Asian shores?

I'm pretty sure it can make it all the way to Europe and worse. i think by the end, there will be a thin film of oil on all the earth's ocean, unless they can stop it now.

The oil must effect the plankton somehow by at least blocking sunlight, that has to travel up the food chain?

There won't be too many of us left after a few years!

Too bad we had to learn the hard way.

Now there are additional plumes detected and the fear is that there could be...could be...a massive uncontrollable leak at or near the original leak.

Originally posted by blujay

Originally posted by quantumdragon

Originally posted by yuefo
Wow, in all 6 simulations, there's no escape for Florida. I'm sure they'll be thrilled. I wonder if the gloop can actually make it to European/Asian shores?

I'm pretty sure it can make it all the way to Europe and worse. i think by the end, there will be a thin film of oil on all the earth's ocean, unless they can stop it now.

The oil must effect the plankton somehow by at least blocking sunlight, that has to travel up the food chain?

There won't be too many of us left after a few years!

Too bad we had to learn the hard way.

There is hope!! ~*~ There is a FIX!!

This video is a tad long, but it has all the facts, even a test run in the Gulf!! Which it turns out was Excellent.

This should be a first responder item, so why is it not out there? ... It should be out there!!
...

And there is no one stopping them from using it outside of the BP lines of black out ... oil went through the Barrier Islands days ago, and past the sub pens weeks!! ago!! ...


It is in the Atlantic, but can be fixed in short order ... and people will have a chance if they don't become too ill first.

Gusty Gulf Oil Spill fix ... 6 weeks to a clean sea!

It won't go to Europe/Russia/Asia/Near East by water .. if it has Corexit in it --- it can travel by air, it rises and mixes with clouds per the Russians who were offering strategies for not using this chemical.

Even from the mid-ocean Gyre it can rise and go East ... the use of it is really criminal but maybe the CDC can get them shut down .. with some hard medical data ... I hope.

I have a "Hauntings of Liverpool" book, which describes a event in the future that notes the Mersey Estuary as "Turning Black." This was in a notable story which apparently also foretold WW1 and another event thats escape my mind.
It may be something or nothing but I thought i'd post this for relevance.

Imagine when this hits the eastern garbage patch in the Sargasso sea.. perhaps that might even be a good thing?! The garbage would 'soak' oil up, then we could kill two birds with one stone.. just speculating.

It's a freaking shame we even have patches of garbage in the oceans.. and most people don't even know about them. Totally scandalous.

Do we have any new "models" because the models in this thread are based on very early estimates of the number of gallons leaking...

Since those numbers have doubled at the very least, this has to also effect the projected movement of this oil....


inquiring minds WANT TO KNOW!

Originally posted by RUDDD49
I have a "Hauntings of Liverpool" book, which describes a event in the future that notes the Mersey Estuary as "Turning Black." This was in a notable story which apparently also foretold WW1 and another event thats escape my mind.
It may be something or nothing but I thought i'd post this for relevance.

NOSTRADAMUS .. Talks of the fish all dying possibly from a nuclear accident on which ever river the UK has a Nuclear power plant on.

I do not know which quatrain it was.

There is also prediction of the lattitude of the grain belts of the northern hemisphere having sever drought (or something .. that one I was in the kitchen).

I think the old dude had good insight, and your book may not have been off either.

Richard Hoagland put up a coast to coast show tape where they talk about the big bubble forming under the well head ... twenty feet across and tens of feet high ... if it is methane ... it could be really bad ... he said Mt. St. Helen under water and tsunami .. .. ... Florida and Cuba get Bulldozed. You can find it on his Facebook page.

Let's imagine the well becomes an open hole like some are expecting it will if the BOP topples or something else....if the entire reservoir empties itself, can anyone estimate how long in weeks or days it would take to ENTIRELY empty and in this case, would it reach UK shores and if so how long til it did.

Thanks

My concern is when the oil reaches the Sargasso Sea. If you are unfamiliar with this area of the Atlantic Ocean, it is a very unique area.

While the Sargasso Sea is primarily unique for being the center of distribution (Conover and Sieburth 1964) of Sargassum drift algae, it is also important as a spawning site and migratory route for several species. The deep waters of the Sargasso Sea provide critical spawning sites for two species of catadromous eels, the American eel Anguilla rostrata and the Red-listed critically endangered European eel A. anguilla. The larvae of both species will drift, develop and swim in the Gulf Stream back to their respective freshwater habitats. As adults, each species of eel will migrate back to the Sargasso Sea to spawn. Populations of both these species are in decline and research shows a potential link to changes in the oceanic conditions of the Sargasso Sea (Friedland et al. 2007). Also spawning within these waters are dolphinfish (Coryphaena hippurus), jack fish, and the white marlin (Tetrapturus albidus). Source

Frustration mounts as we watch what this disaster is doing to our eco-systems. We can only watch as life is slowly being destroyed. Yes, the earth can and does heal itself. But how long will it take?

It doesn't have to be a mess ... they could call the oil a loss and just loose the microbes in the sea and put the fungus on the beaches (don't know much about this fungus).


I ranted on (and on and on) ... about this on another thread ... but I will happily copy the link here ... I think this place is getting to me, I actually had a conspiratorial thought while typing this up!


I got bit carried away, but on the other hand, I had an insight or two.
Just call me "soapbox overload" when I get like this, please, so I can check myself!!

Choose Health over Wealth ... Turn the Microbes loose!

Down the page a bit: ( I just don't like explosives,I guess.)

Excellent ... let us use a sonic device ... after sounding the ocean floor depths with sonics or with GPR, --- we should know exactly were to place a non-heat source vibration/sound machine .. to knock some Breccia up into the well shaft hole .. which by September may be 6 - 15 feet across!! (possibly 30')

Forget the profit, protect the planet from imbeciles with delusions of grandeur:

Better to lose the oil than to lose the balance of nature and/or the total Ecosystems of the Gulf and the Eastern Seaboard ... and have hundreds of people made terribly ill by badly managed practices!! (incompetents (ence)?)

BP is completely on the defensive!! .. If there is any logical thinking going on it has not surfaced, or it is not the kind of logical thinking which they would want to have exposed.

The life has never returned to Prince William Sound ... could the Gulf stand that? The people who live there would be out of luck and livelihoods.


BP's Atlantis is now pumping just such a huge deposit in the Gulf!! Maybe this ruins their competition's hopes in the short run? Obama has already promised $2M to Brazil to get started doing deep water oil recovery off their shores.

So what is the REAL EQUATION?

It is not just the GULF .. it is the Atlantic Seaboard up to the Carolina Estuary and then out to the Mid Ocean Gyre ... Possibly over to the Isles and more ...

That is a lot of life to be handing a death/extinction sentence to (or a sickness/mutation sentence to) .. esp. after what our industrial revolution has done already! ... just because you cannot loose some profit or kiss 200,000 barrels of oil good bye to become the jump start for a faster fix on a huge problem.

[[I know this is not going to fly, but one has to try! -- Too odd a perspective I suspect! How can one disregard such money?]]


.. We are the on-going sickness here, we discovered comfort and plenty (and jobs, luxury, and debt) and forgot our roots to the Planet, Nature, and the rest of Humanity. And then we got so numb we forgot our respect as well, it seems.