The Disproportionate Propaganda Against Israel

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Yet people like you two keep forgetting that Israel is in a constant state of war because they are attacked CONSTANTLY...

None of you seem to want to realize what this means...

I wonder what you two, and others like you, would do if you were constantly attacked at your home by your neighbors. If rocks, and molotov cocktails were thrown at your house, at your children and other relatives meanwhile in your home.... Would you all react calmly even when the police does nothing? Or would you try to defend your relatives, yourselves and your properties?....

i don;t see people like you two call for "global action against the humanitarian crimes committed by Palestinians"... even when Palestinians use THEIR OWN CHILDREN as suicide bombers....

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1)YOU DONT KNOW ME, OR MY POSITION. Get over that one.

2)Israel is attacked constantly, sure.
-They are the ones who continue to illegally seize land and commit genocide.
-There is NOTHING, under any circumstances, that justifies the actions of israel. Period.

3)Nice straw man there. What would I do if attacked by my neighbors? While this has NOTHING to do with the topic, I'll oblige: Did I steal my land from them? Did I kill their children to get it? Did I commit atrocities, causing a mass excursion off of the land, only to refuse them re-entry onto their land if they cannot present a deed or birth certificate?

How about you try not deflecting into irrelevance.

4)You are still going back to the 'palestine is worse, hate them instead' argument, which is moot and, again, irrelevant, and wreeks of desperation to save your argument. But I guess the statement I made in my first post on here fell on deaf ears. I'll say it again: JUST BECUSE I HAVE ISSUES WITH ISRAEL DOES NOT MEAN I SUPPORT PALESTINE, SYRIA, OR ANY OTHERS.
Get it yet?

LOL someone get the violins out for electric universe and his cronies.
Lets get this into perspective from a british point of view.

The following is a list of the major atrocities and Events perpetrated by the Republican movement during the period of the troubles:

Saturday 27 June 1970

Major Gun Battle in Belfast

There was serious rioting in Belfast involving Protestants and Catholics. During the evening groups of Loyalist rioters began to make incursions into the Catholic Short Strand enclave of east Belfast. Catholics in the area believed that they were going to be burnt out of their homes and claimed that there were no British Army troops on the streets to protect the area. Members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) took up sniping positions in the grounds of St Matthew's Catholic Church and engaged in a prolonged gun battle with the Loyalists. This was the most significant IRA operation to date. Across Belfast seven people were killed of whom five were Protestants shot by the IRA.

Friday 3 July 1970

Falls Road Curfew

Beginning in the afternoon, the British Army carried out extensive house searches in the Falls Road area of Belfast for members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and IRA arms. A military curfew was imposed on the area for a period of 34 hours with movement of people heavily restricted. The house searches lasted for two days and involved considerable destruction to many houses and their contents. During the searches the army uncovered a lot of illegal arms and explosives. However the manner in which the searches were conducted broke any remaining goodwill between the Catholic community and the British Army. During the period of the curfew there were gun battles between both wings of the IRA and the Army. Four people were killed in the violence one of them deliberately run over by an Army vehicle.

Tuesday 11 August 1970

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) when they set off a booby trap bomb planted in a car near Crossmaglen, County Armagh.

Saturday 6 February 1971

First Soldier Killed The Irish Republican Army (IRA) shot and killed Gunner Robert Curtis, the first British soldier to die during the current conflict. Bernard Watt (28), a Catholic civilian, was shot and killed by the British Army (BA) during street disturbances in Ardoyne, Belfast. James Saunders (22), a member of the IRA, was shot and killed by the British Army during a gun battle near the Oldpark Road, Belfast

Tuesday 9 February 1971

Five men, two of them British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) engineers the others construction workers, were killed near a BBC transmitter on Brougher Mountain, County Tyrone in a landmine attack carried out by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). It was believed that their vehicle was mistaken for a British Army (BA) Landrover.

Friday 26 February 1971

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers, Cecil Patterson (45) and Robert Buckley (30), were shot and killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) while on a mobile patrol in the Ardoyne area of Belfast.

Wednesday 10 March 1971

Dougald McCaughey (23), Joseph McCaig (18) and John McCaig (17), all three members of the Royal Highland Fusiliers (a regiment of the British Army; BA), were killed by members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The soldiers were off-duty and lured from a pub where they had been drinking. Their bodies were found at Squire's Hill, in the Ligoniel area of Belfast. [There was widespread condemnation of the killings and increased pressure on Chichester-Clark, then Northern Ireland Prime

Sunday 11 July 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a number of bombs in the centre of Belfast injuring a number of people. [A number of commentators saw these bombs as an attempt to increase tension and confrontations between the two main communitiesinister, to take a tougher line on security in the region.]

Wednesday 1 September 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a series of bombs across Northern Ireland injuring a number of people

Thursday 2 September 1971

There were further Irish Republican Army (IRA) bombs across the region including one in Belfast which wrecked the headquarters of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP). The explosions resulted in further injuries to a number of people.

Wednesday 29 September 1971

Two Protestant civilians, Alexander Andrews (60) and Ernest Bates (38), were killed in an explosion at the Four Step Inn on the Shankill Road in Belfast, no group claimed responsibility but it was believed to be the responsibility of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA).

Wednesday 27 October 1971

David Tilbury (29) and Angus Stevens (18), both members of the British Army (BA), were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) during an attack on their observation post in Rosemount, Derry. Ronald Dodds (34), a Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officer, was shot dead by the IRA near Toome, County Antrim. David Powell (22), a member of the British Army, was killed by a landmine planted by the IRA at Kinawley, County Fermanagh.

Sunday 31 October 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) explode a bomb at the Post Office Tower in London.

Monday 1 November 1971

Stanley Corry (28) and William Russell (31), both members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), were shot dead by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in the Andersonstown area of Belfast.

Tuesday 2 November 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded two bombs on the Ormeau Road in Belfast, one at a drapery shop and the other at the Red Lion bar, and killed three Protestant civilians; John Cochrane (67), Mary gemmell (55) and William Jordan (31).

Saturday 27 November 1971

Two Customs officials, Ian Hankin (27) a Protestant and James O'Neill (39) a Catholic, were shot by an Irish Republican Army (IRA) sniper who fired upon a British Army (BA) patrol investigating a bomb attack on a Customs Post near Newry, County Armagh

Friday 10 December 1971

Kenneth Smyth (28), a Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) member, and Daniel McCormick (29), a former UDR member, were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) near Strabane, County Tyrone.

Saturday 11 December 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) killed four Protestant civilians in a bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast. Two of those who were killed in the explosion were children. The dead were: Hugh Bruce (70), Harold King (29), Tracey Munn (2) and Colin Nicholl (1).

Sunday 12 December 1971

John (Jack) Barnhill, then a Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) member of the Northern Ireland Senate, was shot dead by the Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) at his home in Strabane. He was the first politician to be killed in the current conflict.

Monday 3 January 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a bomb in Callender Street, Belfast, which injured over 60 people.

Thursday 27 January 1972

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers, Peter Gilgun (26) and David Montgomery (20), were shot dead in an attack on their patrol car in the Creggan Road, Derry. The British Army and the Irish Republican Army (IRA) were engaged in gun battles near Forkhill, County Armagh. British troops fired over 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

Wednesday 2 February 1972
British Embassy Destroyed
The funerals of 11 of the dead of 'Bloody Sunday' took place in the Creggan area of Derry. Tens of thousands attended the funeral including clergy, politicians from North and South, and thousands of friends and neighbours. Throughout the rest of Ireland prayer services were held to coincide with the time of the funerals. In Dublin over 90 per cent of workers stopped work in respect of those who had died, and approximately 30,000 - 100,000 people turned out to march to the British Embassy. They carried 13 coffins and black flags. Later a crowd attacked the Embassy with stones and bottles, then petrol bombs, and the building was burnt to the ground.

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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Obviously they haven't watched the videos, they don't want the drama to end.

They don't want to admit there has been a propaganda war.

and they fell for it.

Obviously this is a foolish statement. You do realize that every country, everywhere, uses propaganda, right? But apparently only anti-israeli propaganda matters....

Is it propaganda that armed Jewish squatters with no claim to land in Palestine other than the say so of some old British guy got their state through terror tactics that the post '48 Nation now decries when used against it?
People really need to do some reading.
Armed Jewish squatters started showing up on land that they had never seen, had no legitimate claim to, and started to fire rifles and plant bombs. This isn't propaganda, it's fact. After the Balfour Declaration, people decided that that was all they needed to take a people's land away from them. Not unlike the Line of Demarcation that was decree by a pope several centuries earlier. It wasn't their land to have people were already there.
Enter the Final Solution and the world guilt of what happened to the Jews. (just ignore the Gypsies, and over a million other who died)
Suddenly, some ignored armed terrorist Squatters become poor tortured jews who have been through so much although they never suffered in Europe because they were too busy making life rough for the indigenous peoples of Palestine.
World opinion became "We can put them there!" "They'll love it! See they have the mandate to live there."
Pity Armed that nation, and no pity was given to the indigenous population who were forced out of their homes and businesses that had been established in some cases centuries ago. No right of return, no recompense, nothing.
Now, just tell me how I'm supposed to feel sympathy for this state and how I've been brainwashed by the Palestinian media? They fight with what they have. And what they have is not US taxpayer supplied F-16 with smartbombs and white phosphorus. For a state of 8 million they receive nearly 6 billion dollars of US taxpayer money every year. This figure doesn't include all of the armaments that are given. I won't even get into all of the other situations that they have placed themselves into by spying on the US and infiltrating our military, because I'm getting sick of typing. Check your history, there's plenty of blame to go around...

reply to post by loner007


Not enough space...have to make a new post...

As any one can plainly see Britain has had its fair share with terroism. BUT NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WILL THE BRITISH do the things Israel has done. When there has been wrong doing by the army and british government all it does is inflame the situation worst and Britain learned from its mistakes.

and people wonder why israel is hated. heres a tip get a brain.....


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reply to post by neformore

No government, anywhere, is above or beyond criticism. Israel included. Sometimes it writes its own propganda for other people to use. This weeks action has been one of those times.

The Palestinian government is not beyond reproach either.

The point is this propaganda war has apparently been going on for a long time,

We should be willing to send positive energy to the situation and not go along with the tribal mentality,

This will indeed lead to the total destruction of not just Israel, but perhaps the whole middle east, can you imagine,

I want both sides to live, and prosper.

But if this forum is a reflection of the mindset of world, we are doomed.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by BlesUTP

 

It wasn't a nation...it was a region...and it wasn't recognized as a nation...

Both Arabs and Jewish people have been living in that area for millenia...but of course the Palestinian authorities and Palestinian radicals can't allow the Jewish people to have their own nation.... The entire Middle East must belong to them... but hey, they are not stopping with the Middle East anyway....

OMG you are really crazy or "uneducated" person.

Both Arabs and Jewish people have been living in that area for millenia...

And now ???

Last nation in our history which felt that they need country only for their race was Nazi Germany.
And yes, they also occupied territories which didnt belonged to them.
And yes, they also had concetration camps.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


So you claim the videos are propaganda yet you claim to know almost nothing at all about this topic.... So which is it?... Can't be both...

BTW, it is a known FACT that the Palestinian authorities, Palestinian terrorists and other radical groups and Muslim governments brainwash their children to hate not only Israel but the western world as well, but they definitely are raise to hate most of all Jewish people.

It is a known FACT that the Palestinian authorities, and other Palestinian groups edit videos, and photos trying to put blame on Israel...

It is also a known FACT that UN officials have admitted to have HAMAS terrorists working for the UN...so the claims by the members who say "UN officials were in the boat so the Palestinian's are saying the truth", well that is wrong because even UN employees have been admitted to be terrorists.

We have had threads in the past also showing how HAMAS, and other terrorist groups use UN vehicles to transport weapons, and other aid to help their cause, which means to keep attacking Israel and it's citizens...

Now of what I posted is propaganda, so I wonder how you came to that conclusion, more so when you admitted not to know much about this.

reply to post by intrepid


BTW, is this the same unbiased intrepid that when the first story about the flotilla was out you were already bashing Israel even before knowing all the facts?... I am pretty sure it was you... Very unbiased indeed....

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, is this the same unbiased intrepid that when the first story about the flotilla was out you were already bashing Israel even before knowing all the facts?... I am pretty sure it was you... Very unbiased indeed....

Matter of time I guess. Can't shoot the message so shoot the messenger. Typical and no, I was listening to what the others were SEEING and bashing on that premise. At least I use my mental faculties to determine what's what.

Originally posted by Zmurfix

OMG you are really crazy or "uneducated" person.

How about you keep to the FACTS?...or is that too much to ask and people have to resort to stupid claims?...

Originally posted by Zmurfix
And now ???

Last nation in our history which felt that they need country only for their race was Nazi Germany.
And yes, they also occupied territories which didnt belonged to them.
And yes, they also had concetration camps.

Wow... Tell us who does Saudi Arabia belong to now?...

Who does Turkey belong to now?....

Who does Iran belong to now?...

Obviously you are the uneducated person. The ONLY ME country that doesn't belong to Muslims is Israel...so if you want to look for the new "NAZIS" it is obviously not the Jewish people....

Originally posted by intrepid
Matter of time I guess. Can't shoot the message so shoot the messenger. Typical and no, I was listening to what the others were SEEING and bashing on that premise. At least I use my mental faculties to determine what's what.

So now you, a mod resorting to baiting a member by making implying statements about my mental faculties?... wow....

You started bashing Israel when the only information out was from Palestinian sources... and yes that is called being biased...and it is not an insult to your intelligence, but we can see who is now really trying to shoot the messenger....



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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You started bashing Israel when the only information out was from Palestinian sources... and yes that is called being biased...and it is not an insult to your intelligence, but we can see who is now really trying to shoot the messenger....



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You mean the LIVE FEED that 11,000 people were watching including our members? You're going to have to do a whole lot better to smear me dude.

I just wanted to add why these pollywood videos are important,

I found it odd in the beginning of the situation that five of the ships were searched with no problems, then the sixth ship,

you know the one with the camera crew from Al Jazzera on board, had violence.

Was there any filming at all on the other ships?

www.youtube.com...



I still wonder why these guys with the black face covering that resemble Hamas terrorist are on board.

news.ninemsn.com...

"If the ships reach Gaza, it's a victory for Gaza," Haniyeh told about 400 supporters on Saturday, after touring Gaza City's small fishing harbour where several smaller vessels breaking the blockade have docked in the past. "If they are intercepted and terrorised by the Zionists, it will be a victory for Gaza, too, and they will move again in new ships to break the siege of Gaza."

In Cyprus, organisers are trying to find a way to have two dozen would-be passengers, including 19 European legislators and an elderly Holocaust survivor, join the ships anchored in international waters off the island. The Cypriot government did not allow smaller boats to ferry the group to the flotilla, Berlin said.

Just last Saturday, in fact, Hamas head Ismail Haniyeh made this strategy very plain when he told reporters, “If the ships reach Gaza, it’s a victory for Gaza.

If they are intercepted and terrorized by the Zionists, it will be a victory for Gaza, too, and they will move again in new ships to break the siege of Gaza.”


It looks like a set up, they knew there was a possibility they were putting innocent lives on the line but to them it was worth the sacrifice,


A showdown with the Israeli navy appeared inevitable. Israel's deputy foreign minister, Danny Ayalon, reiterated Saturday that the ships would be intercepted, denouncing the sea convoy as a provocation and violation of maritime laws. Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on Gaza after the Islamic militant Hamas seized the territory by force three years ago.

Seriously guys you are intelligent individuals, you don't question any of this?

If not you have me worried.

Originally posted by intrepid

You mean the LIVE FEED that 11,000 people were watching including our members? You're going to have to do a whole lot better to smear me dude.

An Al Jazeera film which you want to claim is unbiased?....and which was obviously edited and didn't show everything that was happening?......

Are you talking about the same Al Jazeera media which has been found by other countries to have terrorist ties, and to "somehow" finding their reporters at the right place, at the right time?.... Is that the unbiased filming you are talking about?...

The one smearing a member was you...nice try....

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Wow... Tell us who does Saudi Arabia belong to now?...

Who does Turkey belong to now?....

Who does Iran belong to now?...

So you are talking about whole middle east?? Something like ... there is too much muslims in the middle east, we must do something with it.
Lets clear some space there and give it to only jewish people because they dont have any??

Wow and wow... I dont have words for this...

Palestinians are not only muslims but also christians. And there is a big jewish community in Iran.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Was there any filming at all on the other ships?

Yes, there was filming on all ships but unfortunately every piece of filming equipment and all cellphones were confiscated by IDF. Why??

Originally posted by Zmurfix
So you are talking about whole middle east?? Something like ... there is too much muslims in the middle east, we must do something with it.
Lets clear some space there and give it to only jewish people because they dont have any??

Wow and wow... I dont have words for this...

Palestinians are not only muslims but also christians. And there is a big jewish community in Iran.

Nice try to twist my words.... No, what I said was clearly that ISRAEL IS A SMALL NATION, meanwhile Muslim people have lands ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST.... So why not let Jewish people keep Israel?....

I wonder how in the world you took the fact that I think Israel should be able to exist with YOUR CLAIM that I want for Israelis to have the entire Middle East....

How in the world is Israel the same as the entire Middle East?... You do know that Israel is a small country right?



[edit on 3-6-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Zmurfix

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Wow... Tell us who does Saudi Arabia belong to now?...

Who does Turkey belong to now?....

Who does Iran belong to now?...

So you are talking about whole middle east?? Something like ... there is too much muslims in the middle east, we must do something with it.
Lets clear some space there and give it to only jewish people because they dont have any??

Wow and wow... I dont have words for this...

Palestinians are not only muslims but also christians. And there is a big jewish community in Iran.

The hypocrissy here is not lost on me.

I think from now on I will answer all of the 'anti-semite' accusations with 'anti-muslim' accusations.

where have you been? You need to open your eyes that having F16 fighter jets throwing missile bombs on innocent kids is no match to them throwing rocks back.

Get real! and wake up.