Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate on Israel?

reply to post by gncnew

I'm serious. Israel has a 30 year ongoing problem of religious fanatic organizations (in the U.S. we call them "Terrorists") attempting to find any way they can to kill Jews.

The land that Israel occupies (also known as Palestine) is actually land that was used to build up forces and attack Israel in the 40's, 50's, and 60's.

This Land?

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Is that the land you are talking about?

The "Palestinians" are actually just refugees left behind as the borders were pushed back.

What "As the Borders were pushed Back" may look like in real life:

Israel very gracefully allowed them to stay where they were while the Arab nations refused to sign peace treaties and/or accept the refugees.

OH! How *NOBLE* of Israel... allowing people to live in their homes, before they bulldoze them...

How very Charitable Indeed.

/sarcasm

The people living in Israeli controlled Palestine don't want to move, but they are incapable of governing themselves in a law abiding and peaceful manner.

You ever tried to Maintain a Government while a US Backed State is deliberately undermining it?

Under THOSE conditions, EVERYONE is incapable of Governing themselves....

The PLO was organized in 1964 specifically under the charter of wiping Israel off the face of the earth.

If you think Israel is oppressing the Palestinians - why not get mad at Egypt? Egypt, Jordan, and Syria refuse to allow these people to enter their countries....

YES... DON'T LOOK AT ISRAEL... BLAME OTHER NATIONS FOR THE SUFFERING OF THE PALESTINIANS INSTEAD!

Why the outcry of Israeli injustice when the Palestinian's Arab neighbors will do nothing to help them aside from arming them to fight the Israelis? Where is the real injustice?

Uhm..... I think we already Covered this part...


*REAL INJUSTICE*


That is where IT IS!

Israel is surrounded on all sides by nations and peoples that do not want peace with them. The the only peace they can find is that found through superior fire power.

Well, generally, when one is engaged in a DECADE LONG Expansion through other people's homes... they tend to be a tad.... angry.

The only time the PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Arab nations around them are NOT attacking Israel is when they are subdued by force.

Oh, yeah... you tell me WHEN they are NOT either Subdued by force, or under an attempt to subdue by force.


You are getting all pissy because People are fighting back against the THEFT AND DESTRUCTION OF THEIR HOMES?!?!?!?!?!


Seriously....


It's like *YOU* are allowed to be angry over what people may think of you, But NOT THE GUY WHOSE FACE YOU ARE CRUSHING UNDER YOUR BOOT.


Israel....



Seriously....



Get.

Over.

Yourself.


-Edrick

Originally posted by gncnew
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

The point of my post was actually just that - the vast majority of Israel detractors (I hesitate to use the word "haters") are so tragically uninformed about ANYTHING in that region it's sad.

Obviously that goes on both sides of any issue - but this one seems to illicit more goobers out of the woodwork than any.

Israel is not perfect but I usually see a complete lack of empathy or even an attempt to understand where/why Israel did what they did.

I will never have empathy for israel. Just as I will never have empathy for any terrorist state who punishes civilians.

There are ways to go about things and ways not to. Regardless of the reasons for their actions, Israel has been very out of line for a very long time.

reply to post by gncnew


Read your own source?

I think not.

reply to post by Just Wondering


"side with the terrorists"
wow. label much?
The winning (or more powerful/influential) side defines the terms. George Washington would have been considered a "terrorist" had the British won that particular conflict.
To answer the OP's stilted question; Israel reacts to the Palestinian threat in a disproportionate and inhumane way. Over and over again. Were it not for the united states vetoing every resolution condemning Israel's actions, they would already have been labeled a terrorist state themselves.

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gncnew:
The link to the guardian even has pix of the state docs.

If citing Israelis isn't good enoughfor you what does that say about your point of view?

Also the American government has now admitted the truth about
Israel's attack on the USS Liberty...

To be blamed on Egypt but Israel got busted....
The life boats of allies were strafed

I have heard that Maritime men hate lifeboat strafers.
When it's an ally's lifeboats I'll bet thier emotion meters just peak right off the scale.
The way Israel slammed that boat for hours when she was only armed with a couple 50 cal and a handfull of intrepid brave sailors...
and couldn't sink her

www.scroogle.org...

By Haaretz Service
01/06/2007
(Quoting the BBC)

the Shin Bet security service collaborated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine to hijack the June 1976 flight from Israel that was diverted to Entebbe, Uganda, the BBC reported Friday.

"The operation was designed to torpedo the PLO's standing in France and to prevent what they see as a growing rapprochement between the PLO and the Americans," the BBC report said British diplomat D.H. Colvin wrote in the document, citing his source.

wakeupfromyourslumber.com...

THe OP asked a question
I'm merely providing possible answers..
If he doesn't want to hear it or is insulting why ask..?
I notice you removed the comment about
"goobers coming out of the woodwork as well.."
tsk tsk.





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If you are a White American or a White European siding with the Palestinians is hip and cool. It makes you sound sensitive and enlightened.

Muslims will side with their Palestinian brethren. Not only will they rally behind their fellow Muslims, but it gets at their craw that the people they kicked around for centuries and subjugated to dhimi laws are now kicking back.

en.wikipedia.org...
Irgun

en.wikipedia.org...(group)
Stern Group

On 6 November 1944, Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the highest ranking British government representative in the region. On 12 January 1947, Lehi members drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa killing four and injuring 140. During the lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war the Cairo-Haifa train was mined several times. On 29 February 1948, Lehi mined the train north of Rehovot, killing 28 soldiers and wounding 35. On 31 March, the train was mined near Binyamina killing 40 civilians and wounding 60. On 9 April 1948, about 120 members of Lehi and Irgun, in cooperation with the Haganah, attacked Deir Yassin, killing between 100 and 120 inhabitants, mostly civilians. Although Lehi had stopped operating nationally after May 1948, the group continued to function in Jerusalem. On 17 September 1948, Lehi assassinated UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte who had been sent to broker a settlement in the dispute.

On October 28, 1948, the Arab town al-Dawayima (also spelt Dawaymeh) was conquered during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war by the 89th Commando Battalion which was composed of former Irgun and Lehi forces. 455 people were killed at al-Dawayima including 170 women and children

en.wikipedia.org...

1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, most ... staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian.

1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters.

There were more terrorist attacks than listed but those 2 are the most infamous. see the list.

en.wikipedia.org...

Former Irgun members have held positions of highest influence in the Israeli political and security establishments since independence

why do i hate israel... cause they are "terrorists" and hypocrites...

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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
If you are a White American or a White European siding with the Palestinians is hip and cool. It makes you sound sensitive and enlightened.

Muslims will side with their Palestinian brethren. Not only will they rally behind their fellow Muslims, but it gets at their craw that the people they kicked around for centuries and subjugated to dhimi laws are now kicking back.

Oh get off that. It is just as 'hip and cool' to hate muslims. Not all that have an opinion base it off of what is 'cool'.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Depends on what circle you are in. If you are at a Toby Keith concert, Muslim bashing is popular. If you are on a college campus, going to a "Free Palestine" concert and pretending to care might get you laid.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

If you are a White American or a White European siding with the Palestinians is hip and cool. It makes you sound sensitive and enlightened.

So does stopping a Cruel Bully from Picking on the Defenseless.

Muslims will side with their Palestinian brethren. Not only will they rally behind their fellow Muslims, but it gets at their craw that the people they kicked around for centuries and subjugated to dhimi laws are now kicking back.

The word dhimmi (plural dimam) literally means "protection, care, custody, covenant of protection, compact; responsibility, answerableness; financial obligation, liability, debt; inviolability, security of life and property; safeguard, guarantee, security; conscience"

Hmmm.....

-Edrick

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

Depends on what circle you are in. If you are at a Toby Keith concert, Muslim bashing is popular. If you are on a college campus, going to a "Free Palestine" concert and pretending to care might get you laid.

Yeah... Sure, Just like being in the employ of AIPAC might allow you to excuse the systematic and deliberate oppression of a LARGE group of people, just because ISRAEL was holding the Gun.

I suppose that is the sort of stereotyping that you were going for, right?

-Edrick

reply to post by gncnew


Maybe is it a thing originating in the spiritual domain, maybe there is really an ongoing spiritual war ?

well ... make your own conclusions

Its not a question of what is hip and cool, it is a question of what is right and wrong.
Israel is wrong in its illegal occupation of Arab lands.

They will get away with stealing Palestine just as America got away with stealing land from the Native Americans. But this time the natives, the Palestinians, will get something other than extermination.

The Jews got nothing but extermination from the Europeans. At least from the Arabs they were allowed to prosper, as they did in Saracen Spain. The Europeans exterminated them in Nazi Germany, and murdered them in the inquisition in Spain.

The 20th century Ashkenazi European Jews decided to get their homeland from a dark race as the Americans did from the indians, so they took advantage of the poor Palestinians who were colonized by the Turks and stole Palestine.

Remenber before Israel all these Jews were in Europe. There was no nation of Israel.

Therefore those who support Israel dont have a moral or ethical leg to stand on. They stand on might is right. And the weapons that America gives Israel.


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So does stopping a Cruel Bully from Picking on the Defenseless.



Many people do feel sympathy for the underdog. That does not necessarily make the underdog right. If I pick a fight with a 400 lb. bouncer by slapping him in the face, he is well within his rights to throttle me. The Palestinians frequently launch rockets loaded with ball bearings and suicide bombers into Israeli territory. They should not be surprised when the get throttled.

You are also assuming the Palestinians are the underdog. This assumption is not entirely correct.

The Israelis are surrounded by nations who are still technically at war with them. As powerful as the Israeli military is, it is no match for the combined strength of Syria, Iran, Lybia, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, etc. These nations have twice launched wars in which they sought to wipe Israel off the ramp. Perhaps if you read your history, you could see why Israelis might want a little breathing room around their population centers.

Originally posted by Edrick
The word dhimmi (plural dimam) literally means "protection, care, custody, covenant of protection, compact; responsibility, answerableness; financial obligation, liability, debt; inviolability, security of life and property; safeguard, guarantee, security; conscience"

The word dhimi may mean "protection." But protection from whom?

When Muslims asked Jews and Christians to pay special taxes and under special laws for protection, it was much like a local mobster going to the local businesses asking for "protection" money. Jews and Christians who refused to comply with dhimi laws faced violence not from outside the Muslim community, but from Muslims who were supposed to "protect" the Jews and Christians.

Dhimi was a religiously sanctioned form of racketeering. If Jewish and Christian Israelis were ever subject to Muslim rule, it is almost certain they would be subjected to this racketeering.

reply to post by Edrick


As big and influential as AIPAC may or may not be, it is not as if AIPAC has millions of people in its employ. I never met anybody who worked for AIPAC. On the other hand, millions of people can sound like they are hip, cool, sensitive, or aware by claiming to side with the Palestinian cause. You and I have both come across types like this.

gncnew:
That business of calling respondents to your question 'Goobers"..
Then removing the expression when the expression was rightfully called insulting...
Then sayng you are not insulting anyone...

Does that not answer the OP question well enough
without anyone else sayng a word ?

Simple answer, they are Gods chosen people and Satan hates on them big time for that reason. Every demon in the world is whispering in any ear that will hear "Israel is the enemy, Jews are evil". It has always been this way and will be until Christ returns.

The nation of Israel should not be allowed to exist.
Similar to the United States, Israel is a land founded on the genocide of the native peoples.

The land occupied by the Amorites was promised to Abraham's descendants. (Israelis/Jews) (Genesis 15:21)

After being so useless a people that they were constantly enslaved. The Israelites stole technology from the Egyptians and escaped. They then marched to the "Promised Land" and took it.

Israel is a religious construct, founded on the belief that "God" says they should be allowed there. They committed an atrocity by killing everyone that occupied the area in order to get the land. This was the 1st holocaust.
What happened to the Israelites during WWII was simply karma

Here is a Rabbi justifying the holocaust of the Amorites by the nation of Isreal.

www.chabad.org...

"The killing of the women and children, as ruthless as it seems, reminds us of the story of Pinchas that we read several weeks ago. The women and even the children had the power to seduce the people to sin. God was very concerned that the Jews would regress in Israel to the ways of idolatry that they exhibited during the episode of the golden calf. He decided that in order to protect the Jews, everyone needed to be killed. In modern day Israel, there are many responsa written discussing the rules of law and of Jewish soldiers. All of these responsa agree that halachah must be interpreted in a different way when it comes to soldiers and war. The story of the war against Sihon is an early model of these "war-time responsa."

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What if I decided that god told me the house next to mine was mine, and mine alone? Should I go over there and kill the family next door, and claim their land?
I assure you, such an act would be met with prison at the least. Not worldwide support....

So why support ANY place founded through blood and death?

Israel should be disbanded, and the Israelites should be made to find their own land free of other occupants.



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"Many people do feel sympathy for the underdog. That does not necessarily make the underdog right. If I pick a fight with a 400 lb. bouncer by slapping him in the face, he is well within his rights to throttle me."


thank you for this analogy. it illustrates perfectly my problem with with Israel's actions both ongoing and recent.
If by throttle, you mean kill, and i believe that is the basic gist, then we have a situation where the powerful authority (bouncer/Israel) is slapped (never mind who did the slapping first) and responds with murder. In America the bouncer goes to prison and possibly gets the death penalty. Just as its the bouncer's JOB to handle the situation more responsibly, its also incumbent upon Israel to react more responsibly and humanely. That would be the case if they were merely another patron in the bar, as well, but is much more the case for the bouncer.
dig?

edit to try to fix quotes
edit to add: "With great power comes great responsibility."-Ben Parker
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