Israeli Navy: Next time we will use more force

Originally posted by Doc Holiday
reply to post by heineken

 

I am not going to voice my opinion about this...just give an example, take it as you will.

Reverse this, if the aid ships were coming to a port in NY and refused to let inspectors see the cargo...I think the USA would do the same.

I think this has been an ongoing problem there, this is by no means the 1st time an aid ship[ refused inspectors...and they have in past times been loaded with firearms and weapons...rather than the food they claimed was on board.

But I do not follow this or keep tabs on this, it is not an interest of mine...so in short I am just wasting o2 in saying what I did...
peace...I hope this does not get more killed...maybe the aid/protesters, will allow an inspection now..

ETA I spellls badd

[edit on 1-6-2010 by Doc Holiday]

they raided the ships at night with thier commandos force. they werent meant to inspect the boats, they wanted to scare them and show them whos boss. this obviously backfired and now most of the world is against them.

the blockade on gaza is illegal and against international law.

the ships were raided in international waters.

gaza has its own sea and can trade with other countries and israel has no right to block it.

jews in iran, UK, USA, france are protesting against israel, whoms population is not real jewish but zionist. they're like the nazis but more religious, which makes them more dangerous.

Israelis are selfish and they are threat to the whole world.

Add it all up!
Isreali nuke subs off iran, one on permanent station there at all times...
The allowing of more intense intlligence and special ops troops by M Crystal,
The isreali defense drills,carrier placements in the area...
More and more it looks like the build up to a strike on iran.
perhaps even a broader conflict with turkey involved as well as others like Syria and Egypt, who can say what those self inflated egos in charge intend to start......but they definately have the situation comming to a head there...
Perhaps this is percieved as a last chance to knock em all back into the stone age and divide the spoils by russia china and The US.

reply to post by RizeorDie


TY
for putting it more in laymens terms for me star for you.
I always hesitate to voice anything...esp political...
I always end up learning something though...again ty

Back a couple of decades ago,80s ish(?) didn't the israelis sink a similar type of flotilla?

Can't find a link sorry,but the BBC mentioned it today-Apparently they mined the ships in order to prevent them reaching Israel.

They did it so the ships would sink slowly,allowing those on board time to escape.So the BBC said.

Now with this recent flotilla,they attempted to disable some of the ships engines before they set sail(according to someone from free Gaza,also mentioned on BBC news).

This may prove difficult to do in the coming days if Turkey decides to give a naval escort to the new flotilla.

On a side note,I think that one of the main reasons that Turkey has taken this tougher stance against Israel,is that they have clandestinely decided to not bother joining the EU,as the economic situation is bleak,and anyone wishing to join the EU at this point would be crazy.

Now there is not benefit in joining the EU the Turks have a free hand in pissing off Israel,without the EU threatening to not allow them into their silly club...

reply to post by Doc Holiday


thats the point...what about if its not your garage but your neighbour's garage?????

the ship goes feeding palestine children not in Israel

reply to post by heineken


I have no quarrels with that..but ...if they had done it in the past and lied about what was being done/shipped, in a court of law, there is no excuse for not knowing what you just allowed, and to not be suspectious, would in my opinion be a bit nieve, beings Gaza has been bit by that dog before..I'm not saying it is not food...but if it is only food, why not allow the inspecters on board?
To me it looks more like someone is putting women and childeren up as a shield....but hey I do not have the intelligence to debate this...and TBH it is not of my concerns.
I just know if I had allowed someone claiming to offer aid, they then brought guns and things that kill....I would not allow them to come agian without verifying the shippment is all..

This is what the IDF is up against. This is what occurred before the last ship departed on their mission.




Gaza Flotilla is fully funded and organized by known terror groups.

Why mix "peace workers" and militant terrorists on the same boat??

Benevolent mission my foot. This is purely provocative in nature and it is about to backfire.

Ok. This could be the move that kicks everything off. Keep watching folks - we're in for a helluva show.

So please explain if these groups are so worried about the poor people in Gaza and getting aid in to the area, why don't they utilize the port already setup to allow aid to flow iinto Gaza after an inspection for weapons?

reply to post by jibeho


you know whats wrong with your video



that, any video can be taken and a translation put in to suit ones view.
the notion that these people are all of the same faith is far fetched and ignorant in a way.




[edit on 1-6-2010 by illusive man]

Well Turkey has every right in the world to escort the aid convoy in international waters and will look like cowards if they don't.

I like the one about 'Could be carrying weapons' and whats the big deal anyway about small armys being taken in to the gaza strip when Iserail not only gets small arms from america but Nukes also and the zionist religious nut jobs will sow the seeds that will destroy them both.

bit like me letting my six year old kid go to school with a machine gun and then acting all inocent when someone gets killed.

Thank god we have China and Russia to keep the world in balance else we would all be RRID implanted by now and fighting each other over bones.

reply to post by Doc Holiday


In the US inspectors do not rappel onto ships from military helicopters in a hail of gunfire. So there is no comparison here.

I condemn hardly latest Israeli actions, like Ive done againt everything they have done recent years against palestinians. Period.

Looks like more is soon to show up - do we see another navy this time in international waters... ??? I hope Turkey will kick some NAZI ass over there!

Two more boats head for Gaza as Israel vows to stop them
www.debka.com...

Pro-Palestinians challenge Gaza blockade again after bloody fracas
www.sltrib.com...=g/ci_15202160

Good.

Trying to enter a country under a blockade is illegal and the country enforcing such laws is allowed to board an incoming vessel... Especially when the purpose of this ship was to break the blockade, more than deliver aid.

Next time, don't attack them and take there weapons when they board.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by CanadianDream420]

reply to post by A por uvas


Here here thats the right response...."what WOULD Ghandi do?"

reply to post by CanadianDream420


i am curious, are you anyway related to anyone in israel or have a physical connection to the area, i the jewish members seem to stand firm against these actions and one in particular who is also a israeli national and idf seems to have shown his disgust for israels actions.

so where does your support come from on the attack on an aid ship?

reply to post by rogerstigers


Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...

And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ... suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Good.

Trying to enter a country under a blockade is illegal and the country enforcing such laws is allowed to board an incoming vessel... Especially when the purpose of this ship was to break the blockade, more than deliver aid.

Next time, don't attack them and take there weapons when they board.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by CanadianDream420]

And what if that blockade is deemed illegal? How can a country enforce something that is illegal? Just because Israel says it has setup a blockade doesn't make it legal. If they had admitted that they were an occupying force, their blockade would be legal, but they emphatically denied that they were, which makes the blockade illegal. Are you catching on that what they did was pretty illegal? You should, because it was.

The US had the same problem in 1973 with North Vietnam.

Maybe Israel should solve there problem the same way.

MINE the coast of Gaza and let every one know.

See if these idiots want to run there ships through a mine field.

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

i am curious, are you anyway related to anyone in israel or have a physical connection to the area, i the jewish members seem to stand firm against these actions and one in particular who is also a israeli national and idf seems to have shown his disgust for israels actions.

so where does your support come from on the attack on an aid ship?

Does it matter? Not to be rude..

I realize KILLING someone is a total atrocity, but the IDF members weapons were taken and they were being tackled and beaten. Killing 16 people is uncalled for, I agree, though.. there must be have been an alternative.